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I don’t disagree with what u said about Manny on da headset. But credible peeps on here have said Manny TOOK OVER play calling in the second half of NC State (where we finally shut down the NC State offense that was doing anything they wanted all first half. So if Baker isn’t calling the defense during any part of the game how can we give him credit or blast him? The only thing u can do at that point is relieve him of duties at the end of the year or demote him.

However maybe those usual credible posters were wrong and Baker be da man and he’s had an epic defensive adjustment since getting carved up in multiple games including the first 2-3 quarters of the NC State game
 
1mg of Epi said:
Manny is on the headset and has veto power over all plays. That’s how it’s always been. So anything Blake called earlier in the season, manny approved.
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that's fine, but does that mean pre-veto, bakers playcalling is completely autonomous?
 
puertorricane said:
I get Baker is everyone's scapegoat but if we are honest, the defense has played pretty good this season except Clemson, Louisville and NC St.
Offense has had some bad games as well.
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So basically you're saying he's a good coach because he does well against crappy team but not against good offense. Got it.
 
ithacane said:
I don’t disagree with what u said about Manny on da headset. But credible peeps on here have said Manny TOOK OVER play calling in the second half of NC State (where we finally shut down the NC State offense that was doing anything they wanted all first half. So if Baker isn’t calling the defense during any part of the game how can we give him credit or blast him? The only thing u can do at that point is relieve him of duties at the end of the year or demote him.

However maybe those usual credible posters were wrong and Baker be da man and he’s had an epic defensive adjustment since getting carved up in multiple games including the first 2-3 quarters of the NC State game
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I also notice, Since NC ST. the D-line attacks the LOS more often.
 
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ScharfCane said:
So basically you're saying he's a good coach because he does well against crappy team but not against good offense. Got it.
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I'm saying the defense has played on the same level as the offense yet only one side of the ball gets all the hate.
Mainly Runph and Baker.
 
Liberty City El said:
As for Baker...

I don't hate him at all, I think he's an overall good coordinator, however there's things he does as a play caller I'm not too crazy about either. I think he sells out too much in trying to be too heavy handed in racking up the TFL stats that he leaves glaring holes open in the middle of the field & puts our Safety group at a disadvantage sometimes because they get left with the responsibility to cover **** near 3 different levels of the field & have to make split second decisions on which deep third, flat curl or hole to cover & there always seems to be some confusion about which coverage shells they're all in.

There's some slight adjustments we could make that I think could take us from being a top 15 Defense to be a top 5 Defense, it's just a matter of shifting the philosophy a bit from focusing so hard on just trying to create 3rd & longs, but rather using our strengths in personnel packages that make us stronger in coverage on down & distance & forces offenses to have to actually respect our secondary.

Idk if it's all on Baker being that he's only been here for a season, part of me thinks he kinda has to placate towards the way Diaz wants to run the defense & he is his protege, but even so still if he has autonomy on play calling duties he should really dial back some of the overly exotic Blitzes & let our LB's drop back in coverage more.
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It sounds an awful lot like you're talking about the nuances between being a competent coordinator versus a very good/elite coordinator.
 
Liberty City Canes said:
I'm on the fence with him I guess. I'm aware it was his first year but his play calling left a lot to be desired. Opposition's success rate on 3rd and 4th down was very alarming. The way he teachers our corners to play "eyes and hands" is another obvious change from Manny's philosophy in "playing the ball". And yes I put that on Baker instead of Rumph he takes orders from the D.C. and we never seen our corners play the ball that way in Diaz's defensive scheme. I don't know bout y'all but it wouldn't hurt my feelings if he stopped those delayed safety blitzes every few plays.
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When you're playing off the receiver, flat footed, while the WR is going into his route full speed, you're forced into playing a trailing technique where you have to play for the hands to disrupt the pass. I noticed the last game, the CBs were playing more press coverage where they were "in phase" with the WR and can turn their heads and make a play for the ball.

I don't know if this was a data point or the beginning of a trend but it seemed more effective. Hopefully we didn't just do it because we didn't fear Duke's WRs.
 
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canesmh18 said:
Enos did ****** against good and bad teams alike. Players or people in general seemed to dislike him as a human being as well.
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That's not the point. The point is you can make a decision after one year. It depends on how egregious it is.

There are too many absolute statements tossed around carelessly. There are always exceptions.
 
What's with the wanting to defend this guy quite obviously in this thread by some posters?

is it not crystal clear there's been a change since around the 4th quarter of the nc state game?

you think baker just suddenly pulled his head outta his *** and was like, "oh hum maybe I shouldn't send people like GR15 covering wheel routes with running backs anymore?" Just had some "found jesus" moment I guess according to some of you.

I'll take the much more obvious myself, the "diaz has taken over the play calling" for $500 please.
 
canesstevealum08 said:
that's fine, but does that mean pre-veto, bakers playcalling is completely autonomous?
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The way it was explained... yes, baker has autonomy. Manny takes part in game planning, but that’s not unusual. Who knows how often manny changes the play tho?

btw... I have no first hand knowledge of this. Baker was interviewed a couple weeks ago and was asked about Mannys involvement in play calling.
 
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