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Allabouttheu95 said:
From a business perspective how does the SEC survive? We have completely cut off their resources when it comes to big time OOC games minus Notre dame (depending upon what they decide to do), BYU, and the AAC? This alliance is going to rule September with Marquee games and if they were smart they would also sprinkle some monster OOC games late in year. This is a very cut throat move and I couldn’t be happier to see them tell the SEC to go F themselves
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Umbra said:
That is actually insane and ridiculous. Where the **** did the 4 people come from? SEC and the defunct Big 12 that died at the hands of the SEC?

If that isn't evidence of ESPN having a bit too much control right there, I don't know what is.

Problem is, I don't want to wait 5 years either. Could they not re-negotiate some contracts to get at least some compromise that everyone likes?
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It was a working group to investigate and submit a proposal to all conference reps, where it would then be voted on, so all conferences would still have their vote…and everyone seemed totally onboard with the proposal until the Texas and ou news broke
 
Canes2082 said:
Agreed... the SEC went after Oklahoma and Texas because they want to get as many teams as possible into the Top 25 and boost their ability to get as many teams in the playoffs as possible.
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And it firmly entrenched Texas as SEC territory now (though it was heading that direction anyway).

With the mystical SEC allure, it’s gonna be next to impossible to pull 4 and 5 stars out of TX unless you’re OSU* or Clemson.
 
canesbaby said:
My guess is that's still evolving. Seems like this was put together pretty quickly as somewhat of a panic to what the SEC is doing. I'm sure some of these major points are still in flux.
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This sort of action has happened before (in sports entertainment) and ended in disaster. It will all come down to how unified the Pac-12, Big Ten, and ACC are. All it takes is one or two major schools to defect to the SEC and it all falls apart. Or, all it takes is for one conference to put tradition ahead of the others, and it will fall apart.

The Predecessor:
Pro Wrestling USA was a professional wrestling promotion in the United States of America in the mid-1980s. It was an attempt to unify various federations, including the American Wrestling Association (AWA), Jim Crockett Promotions and other members of the National Wrestling Alliance (NWA), against the national expansion of the World Wrestling Federation.[1]

The Action
Jerry Lawler, Jerry Jarrett of Continental Wrestling Association, Verne Gagne of the AWA, Ole Anderson of Georgia Championship Wrestling, Jim Crockett Promotions, and other NWA promoters got together to co-promote wrestling shows nationally. This joint venture became known as Pro Wrestling USA.

This loose alliance of promoters from across America was to serve as a national federation. Pro Wrestling USA shows could boast, for example, an AWA and NWA World Title match on the same card.

While, at the behest of Jerry Lawler and Jerry Jarrett, the first show took place in Memphis, Tennessee, Pro Wrestling USA shows were promoted across the member's territories. Further, many Pro Wrestling USA shows were taped in East Rutherford, New Jersey, in the heart of the former WWF territory. This was a serious attempt to undermine the WWF, in its home turf, at a moment of financial weakness.

The Result
The arrangement, however, would only remain in existence for a few more months, as arguments between promoters, primarily Gagne and Crockett, severed the ties.
 
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Umbra said:
I think the conference ends up swallowing itself. They're going to do these insane 9 conference game schedules where everyone is getting losses sans Bama or a miracle LSU team. They'll get enough views to make more than enough money but idk.

Especially if the 4-team playoff stays around. Have to believe they can't justify letting 2+ SEC teams with 3 losses or something in CFP over teams in other conferences with 1 loss. OU looks especially dumb from a playoff perspective, but I guess they prefer the money.
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This is exactly what they think will happen. I'm not exaggerating. I posted about it earlier. The SEC believes that multiple losses will not affect their chances of getting "at least" 4 teams in when it comes to playoff expansion.

The SEC can't even justify its own bull****. They lose and don't drop in polls. At some point losses have to mean something. Its hard to justify a loss with "but we played a ranked team," while punishing any other team the same week for beating up on a weakling, THEN ignoring that the SEC plays FCS teams in November.

But ok fine. If that's the card they want to play, that losing to a ranked SEC opponent is worth more than beating a non SEC team, then Miami better not drop a single spot in the polls no matter what the score is.
 
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IndayArtHauz said:
Also, you don’t have to cut off the SEC. Thats spiteful and short sighted. You do need to stop them from taking over the sport, however, and bring balance to the force(s of the sport).
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Yes you do.

They've tried to kill off competition. It's time the competition fought fire with fire.
 
RightSaidFred said:
Why is everyone celebrating what basically amounts to two out of conference games per year? ACC/PAC/BIG are still extremely watered down. Sure we’ll play OSU and USC every now and then, but we’ll also be playing Utah, Oregon State, and Northwestern.

This really doesn’t improve our schedule at all.

And since there is no financial component to this, and it doesn’t stop games with the SEC, it does nothing to slow down the SEC.

Frankly, if this alliance stays together at all, it will be weak at best. Remember it is easier to break up with your girlfriend than it is to divorce your wife. This alliance is just short-term a knee-jerk reaction to the SEC’s long term play of expansion. Alliance will run out of steam and as far as I can see, there’s nothing here that has any teeth as far as competition with the SEC.

Miami’s annual payout will still be far lower than SEC or BIG schools. I don’t see this moving the needle on that front at all. The rest is just hot air
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It may not improve our schedule much, but it will hurt the SECs more. If they can only get OOC games with G5 teams, they’ll lose a fair amount of luster. One thing that keeps the SEC luster is their early season success in neutral site or OOC games.
 
I'm not as ****ed off at the SEC as I am ESPN. The fact that ESPN has such a heavy thumb on the scales of college athletic decision-making alone should cause every team not SEspnC incensed. That's like you and your coworker vying for a promotion but the boss is secretly advocating for your coworker; except also, all your quarterly and annual bonuses have been funneled to that coworker too. Also, your boss has been sending you on business trips so that coworker getting your promotion can bang your wife while you are away.
 
Fck making the schedule more difficult. I think the ACC should copy SEC scheduling.

Never leave the state unless its in our geographical region AND on a neutral field.

Never play home and home games if ACC teams wouldn't likely be favored in both games.

Never let our top teams schedule ooc games they risk being blown out in.

No more warm weather teams traveling to play team in cold weather cities in Nov or cold weather teams playing in warm weather cities in Sept.

And most importantly, ALWAYS schedule 2 FCS teams, one of which must be scheduled for late November by every team in the conference.

The ACC would have multiple 10 win teams too.
 
cowboycane said:
The only issue with severing ties to the SEC is that is that it kills off a bunch of rivalries that fans of these teams actually care a lot about:

Miami - UF
SC - Clemson
Kentucky - Louisville
UF - FSU
GT - UGa

So once again, the people getting ****ed over would be the fans of these programs, all because the conference commissioners and TV execs want more money.

I do like the idea of 8 conference games, annual game against either UF or Notre Dame, and then one game each against the Big 10 and Pac 12 (as a California resident, would be especially nice to not have to travel across the country to watch the Canes play). Would be good for the fans, good for the strength of schedule, good for recruiting, and hopefully at some point we are actually good enough that in a good year we could get into the (expanded) playoff even with a loss or two.
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These rivalries have been taking a hit for years now. Texas A&M didn't care about that, neither did Nebraska and plenty others. They must keep up with the SEC and UF has been fine ducking us for years.
 
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From a Yahoo Sports article, predating the announcement today. Here are some of their speculations based on what they have heard:

-An agreement where each football team in the three conferences would play one opponent from each of the other two leagues on an annual basis. In most cases, the opponents would rotate. This could help maximize revenue in upcoming television deals for the Big Ten and Pac-12, which have expiring media rights deals in upcoming seasons. (The Big Ten deal is through the 2022 football season and the Pac-12 through the 2023 football season.)

Under such a plan, the Big Ten could drop its conference schedule from nine games to eight, and require each school to play one game against an ACC and a Pac-12 team each year. Wisconsin, for example, would play Virginia and Oregon one year, Florida State and UCLA the next. Big Ten schools would be allowed to schedule the additional non-conference games as they see fit.

  • If adopted, the Big Ten’s conference season would consist of six games within either the East or West Division and two crossover games. There are currently three crossover games.
  • ACC teams, which already play eight conference games, would schedule a Big Ten and a Pac-12 opponent annually.
  • The Pac-12, which currently has nine league games, would consider dropping down to eight as well, or just use two of the three non-conference games in the Alliance.
  • Any Big Ten or Pac-12 team already playing Notre Dame, which has its own scheduling deal with the ACC, would be able to count the Irish as its ACC opponent. (Pac-12 members USC and Stanford have annual series with Notre Dame. Big Ten programs Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State and Purdue also have future series scheduled with the Irish.)

The ACC adding value to its television rights is the tricky part, as it is stuck in a lopsided deal with ESPN until 2036 that it signed in order to obtain a television network. The Alliance is not expected to help the conference get out of the ESPN deal.
 
SCarolina Ibis said:
Fck making the schedule more difficult. I think the ACC should copy SEC scheduling.

Never leave the state unless its in our geographical region AND on a neutral field.

Never play home and home games if ACC teams wouldn't likely be favored in both games.

Never let our top teams schedule ooc games they risk being blown out in.

No more warm weather teams traveling to play team in cold weather cities in Nov or cold weather teams playing in warm weather cities in Sept.

And most importantly, ALWAYS schedule 2 FCS teams, one of which must be scheduled for late November by every team in the conference.

The ACC would have multiple 10 win teams too.
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Since the NCAA is immaterial at this point (in essence), can we release the hounds when it comes to Enhanced Recruiting too?

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supacane said:
These rivalries have been taking a hit for years now. Texas A&M didn't care about that, neither did Nebraska and plenty others. They must keep up with the SEC and UF has been fine ducking us for years.
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Right, but again, that isn't good for the fans so why would I want that to keep happening?
 
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