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The age of the slow pocket passer qb is over.

Not true pocket passers are still playing this game successfully your opinion is just skewed bc you actually believe Brad Kaaya has talent. He makes the term pocket passer look bad but thats only bc he is one of the worst qbs in CFB.
 
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mjackson6 said:
Michigan's QB is just as immobile as Brad except his OL keeps him upright, gives him time to throw, his WRs catch the ball, and his coach calls a good game.

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Basically, if everyone just does their job, it works! Simple concept.


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i don't think you need a lamar or deshaun at qb to be successful in college yet. but you do need a qb that can at least use his feet to extend a play, or take off and turn a 7 yard loss into at least a 2-3 yard gain to make for a manageable 3rd. kayaa isn't the qb we thought and blaming only the oline and scheme is a bit lazy. he hasn't looked good all season and that includes games against the 3 cupcakes we opened with.
 
jtaz34 said:
i don't think you need a lamar or deshaun at qb to be successful in college yet. but you do need a qb that can at least use his feet to extend a play, or take off and turn a 7 yard loss into at least a 2-3 yard gain to make for a manageable 3rd. kayaa isn't the qb we thought and blaming only the oline and scheme is a bit lazy. he hasn't looked good all season and that includes games against the 3 cupcakes we opened with.
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Look at three future hall of famers from recent years in the NFL. Brees, Brady, Manning. Brees isn't a running qb but he does buy time with his feet. Brady rarely moves outside the pocket, but knows exactly how long he has to throw the ball and the ball is out of his hands before pressure gets there (ditto for Manning in past tense). The era is not over. Qbs who run outside the pocket get lit up and knocked out of games. In college, a stud qb might be bigger and faster than the defenders so it's easier for a running qb to single handedly take over a game. In the NFL, running qbs will get hit by 308 lb linemen who can run a 4.6 40. Given the choice between a brady or a Newton for a college team, I take Newton. For an NFL team, the pocket passer will always be preferred because chances of him making it all the way through the season without injury is significantly higher. Doesn't do much good to have a 100 million dollar qb out for the season with a broken leg or concussion.
 
The age of the no-talent brother of a D-1 football player using his family's name to garner respect on an internet message board is OVER!
 
TimeB0mb said:
jtaz34 said:
i don't think you need a lamar or deshaun at qb to be successful in college yet. but you do need a qb that can at least use his feet to extend a play, or take off and turn a 7 yard loss into at least a 2-3 yard gain to make for a manageable 3rd. kayaa isn't the qb we thought and blaming only the oline and scheme is a bit lazy. he hasn't looked good all season and that includes games against the 3 cupcakes we opened with.
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Look at three future hall of famers from recent years in the NFL. Brees, Brady, Manning. Brees isn't a running qb but he does buy time with his feet. Brady rarely moves outside the pocket, but knows exactly how long he has to throw the ball and the ball is out of his hands before pressure gets there (ditto for Manning in past tense). The era is not over. Qbs who run outside the pocket get lit up and knocked out of games. In college, a stud qb might be bigger and faster than the defenders so it's easier for a running qb to single handedly take over a game. In the NFL, running qbs will get hit by 308 lb linemen who can run a 4.6 40. Given the choice between a brady or a Newton for a college team, I take Newton. For an NFL team, the pocket passer will always be preferred because chances of him making it all the way through the season without injury is significantly higher. Doesn't do much good to have a 100 million dollar qb out for the season with a broken leg or concussion.
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i agree, using your nfl reference, i'll add that college qb's, at a minimum need to be like a bortles/daulton. neither are mobile or demand a shadow from the defense. but they can move around enough to extend plays and avoid sacks. anything less than that in the mobility department is bad. looking at you brad. never thought i'd see a qb less mobile/athletic than snickers.
 
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jtaz34 said:
TimeB0mb said:
jtaz34 said:
i don't think you need a lamar or deshaun at qb to be successful in college yet. but you do need a qb that can at least use his feet to extend a play, or take off and turn a 7 yard loss into at least a 2-3 yard gain to make for a manageable 3rd. kayaa isn't the qb we thought and blaming only the oline and scheme is a bit lazy. he hasn't looked good all season and that includes games against the 3 cupcakes we opened with.
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Look at three future hall of famers from recent years in the NFL. Brees, Brady, Manning. Brees isn't a running qb but he does buy time with his feet. Brady rarely moves outside the pocket, but knows exactly how long he has to throw the ball and the ball is out of his hands before pressure gets there (ditto for Manning in past tense). The era is not over. Qbs who run outside the pocket get lit up and knocked out of games. In college, a stud qb might be bigger and faster than the defenders so it's easier for a running qb to single handedly take over a game. In the NFL, running qbs will get hit by 308 lb linemen who can run a 4.6 40. Given the choice between a brady or a Newton for a college team, I take Newton. For an NFL team, the pocket passer will always be preferred because chances of him making it all the way through the season without injury is significantly higher. Doesn't do much good to have a 100 million dollar qb out for the season with a broken leg or concussion.
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i agree, using your nfl reference, i'll add that college qb's, at a minimum need to be like a bortles/daulton. neither are mobile or demand a shadow from the defense. but they can move around enough to extend plays and avoid sacks. anything less than that in the mobility department is bad. looking at you brad. never thought i'd see a qb less mobile/athletic than snickers.
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morris was actually a decent athlete, he ran the fastest 40 at the combine among QB's even faster than manziel. he for whatever reason never used his athleticism to run at miami
 
58straight said:
jtaz34 said:
TimeB0mb said:
jtaz34 said:
i don't think you need a lamar or deshaun at qb to be successful in college yet. but you do need a qb that can at least use his feet to extend a play, or take off and turn a 7 yard loss into at least a 2-3 yard gain to make for a manageable 3rd. kayaa isn't the qb we thought and blaming only the oline and scheme is a bit lazy. he hasn't looked good all season and that includes games against the 3 cupcakes we opened with.
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Look at three future hall of famers from recent years in the NFL. Brees, Brady, Manning. Brees isn't a running qb but he does buy time with his feet. Brady rarely moves outside the pocket, but knows exactly how long he has to throw the ball and the ball is out of his hands before pressure gets there (ditto for Manning in past tense). The era is not over. Qbs who run outside the pocket get lit up and knocked out of games. In college, a stud qb might be bigger and faster than the defenders so it's easier for a running qb to single handedly take over a game. In the NFL, running qbs will get hit by 308 lb linemen who can run a 4.6 40. Given the choice between a brady or a Newton for a college team, I take Newton. For an NFL team, the pocket passer will always be preferred because chances of him making it all the way through the season without injury is significantly higher. Doesn't do much good to have a 100 million dollar qb out for the season with a broken leg or concussion.
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i agree, using your nfl reference, i'll add that college qb's, at a minimum need to be like a bortles/daulton. neither are mobile or demand a shadow from the defense. but they can move around enough to extend plays and avoid sacks. anything less than that in the mobility department is bad. looking at you brad. never thought i'd see a qb less mobile/athletic than snickers.
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morris was actually a decent athlete, he ran the fastest 40 at the combine among QB's even faster than manziel. he for whatever reason never used his athleticism to run at miami
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i did not know that, the weight of the football in his hand must have thrown everything off.
 
It's not that the age of the pocket qb is over, you just need one who's less of a statue back there. You need one who's more A-aron Rodgers than Drew Bledsoe. the Deshaun Watson, Lamar Jackson types are fun to watch in college but flame out in the league after a year or two when defenses catch up to them and they were never taught to read a defense. Look at Cam Newton, for all good measurables and ability to run he's really only had one really good year and been average the rest. The best example of a mobile qb is Russell Wilson and even he's becoming more of a pocket passer because that's how you get longevity in the league. I know this is college but part of Miami's lore is the pro style we run and the amount of great players we put into the league. Athletic qbs don't last long in the nfl. In fact i read an article some months ago that a lot of nfl coaches and scouts are complaining about this influx of spread qbs coming out because they can't read defenses nor make the nfl throws. Kaaya's problem is he couldn't buy time in the pocket or pickup a few yards for a first down if his life depended on it. I'd love to see another Stephen morris type qb for Miami (minus the INTs of course). Here's to hoping the next Miami qb is mobile.
 
jtaz34 said:
i don't think you need a lamar or deshaun at qb to be successful in college yet. but you do need a qb that can at least use his feet to extend a play, or take off and turn a 7 yard loss into at least a 2-3 yard gain to make for a manageable 3rd. kayaa isn't the qb we thought and blaming only the oline and scheme is a bit lazy. he hasn't looked good all season and that includes games against the 3 cupcakes we opened with.
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No one is letting Kayaa of the hook and blaming just the line or the scheme (well at least not me). At the same time, it's nonsense to say it's solely Kayaa, he's just crap. I honestly don't know what we have. No one else on this board can credibly say either.

People point out Brees, Brady, and Manning. All of them have taken their shots. But they're playing behind professional line. Even a bad OL in pros is successful more times than they are not. The gap between the best and worst is narrower on the pro level. Even after taken their shots, they get up believing they'll get them the next play. If they don't believe that, they won't last in the league. None of them has had to believe that they will get creamed every time they drop back.

Kayaa on the other hand, had a first rounder at left tackle protecting him as a freshman. He had Golden scheming to protect him (I still remember that goal line stand where he didn't even attempt to score). He didn't really start taking his hits until last year, most noticeably at Clemson. This is while playing behind a line that can't establish a run against any P5 team and tackles that can't handle a basic speed rush, and backs that don't pick up the blitz (except Yearby a few times). It's like a track meet. With all the criticism he's been taking, I paid particular attention to him in the pocket. He was trying to move in pocket, but it looks as if this is a new skill to him and it's not fluid. He looks awkward. Were there occasions where he could of took and run, Yes. But most of the time, there was no pocket to move around in. The DL played like they were in a track meet. This is not just bad, this is epic.

Someone said in another thread, there is no game planning for this type of line play. Unfortunately, until the line stabilizes, we don't know who Kayaa is. As is said in the old truism "It begins up front".
 
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CaneFan79 said:
Thinking the same thing today watching Lamar Jackson (recruited by Lamar Thomas) while working out. It's time to start running what is most prevalent in the HS' in the Miami recruiting area, not the reverse, i.e. trying to recruit the one guy who "fits" Miami's system or go out to Cali or New Jersey (looking at you Don Bosco Prep) to find some QB Guru product who has the "Thousand Yard Stare" when facing quality D1 opponents...The []_[] are missing out on a LOT of talent by being stubborn.
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For every 1 Lamar Jackson, there's 5 BJ Daniels, probably worse odds than that as Lamar is a spectacular athlete. BJ Daniels sucked. His athleticism did win some, but his inability to pass lost more. Lamar is going to have a very short career as well. He's a run first qb and will never really learn how to read defenses. Couple that with all the hits he's going to take and he'll flame out fast.
 
Kaaya looks like I forget his name,but he wore number #3 top rated qb coming out of high school. Kid looked like the real deal size ,strong arm. I like Kaaya but he has regressed looks like a deer in headlights like that # 3 we had. Play-calling is terrible and the dropped balls are really bad.My quarterback is getting pressure a lot ,yes o-line sux,but he holds on to ball way to long sometimes waiting to get hit. Who is the quarterback coach,Kaaya is a 3 year starter that is not Nfl ready.People talk about Richt wanting a dual threat qb,he only had one Uga Shockey,David Green was alright but not dual style (imho). Richt is a great recruiter,but his play-calling looks inept.
 
rkhill71 said:
Kaaya looks like I forget his name,but he wore number #3 top rated qb coming out of high school. Kid looked like the real deal size ,strong arm. I like Kaaya but he has regressed looks like a deer in headlights like that # 3 we had. Play-calling is terrible and the dropped balls are really bad.My quarterback is getting pressure a lot ,yes o-line sux,but he holds on to ball way to long sometimes waiting to get hit. Who is the quarterback coach,Kaaya is a 3 year starter that is not Nfl ready.People talk about Richt wanting a dual threat qb,he only had one Uga Shockey,David Green was alright but not dual style (imho). Richt is a great recruiter,but his play-calling looks inept.
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Kyle Wright?
 
Brad Kaaya be punch drunk. Da Oline letting him get the ****e knocked out of him. Rosier be praying Richt don't make him go in to get his chicklets knocked the fawk out his mouth.
 
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