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I know many of you believe that if Toney would have played in the ND game, Miami would have won. Maybe, maybe not. It was a great game despite his absence. However, in all fairness, let's not forget that ND had it's share of injuries. Brauntae Johnson, who many consider one of the best safeties in the country, did not play. Captain middle linebacker Drayk Bowen did not play, DJ McKinney, second best cornerback did not play, one of our first string tackles did not play, Leonard Moore left the game for awhile in the second half because of a temporary eye issue, and our third best cornerback left the game due to injury in the second half. I am not here to argue or troll. I know Toney is one of the best players in the country. I just think that if everyone mentioned here played in a rematch in the post season, it would be another great game.
 
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BlueGold said:
I know many of you believe that if Toney would have played in the ND game, Miami would have won. Maybe, maybe not. It was a great game despite his absence. However, in all fairness, let's not forget that ND had it's share of injuries. Brauntae Johnson, who many consider one of the best safeties in the country, did not play. Captain middle linebacker Drayk Bowen did not play, DJ McKinney, second best cornerback did not play, one of our first string tackles did not play, Leonard Moore left the game for awhile in the second half because of a temporary eye issue, and our third best cornerback left the game due to injury in the second half. I am not here to argue or troll. I know Toney is one of the best players in the country. I just think that if everyone mentioned here played in a rematch in the post season, it would be another great game.
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We also had OJ (our best CB), Antoine (our 4th CB) and Max (our starting RG) out. We also have our starting WR (Moore), 2nd TE (Gilbert) and 2nd RB (Brown) out for the year. Most important, if we play again you wont have ACC refs which are the worst in the country.
 
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BlueGold said:
I know many of you believe that if Toney would have played in the ND game, Miami would have won. Maybe, maybe not. It was a great game despite his absence. However, in all fairness, let's not forget that ND had it's share of injuries. Brauntae Johnson, who many consider one of the best safeties in the country, did not play. Captain middle linebacker Drayk Bowen did not play, DJ McKinney, second best cornerback did not play, one of our first string tackles did not play, Leonard Moore left the game for awhile in the second half because of a temporary eye issue, and our third best cornerback left the game due to injury in the second half. I am not here to argue or troll. I know Toney is one of the best players in the country. I just think that if everyone mentioned here played in a rematch in the post season, it would be another great game.
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None of those players helped you beat BYU. You got your asses beat by BYU. Carr was 50% passing with his usual poor accuracy with anything past 15 yards. Toney being out isn’t the reason we lost the ND game. As I’ve said to all ND fans, as usual ND is irrelevant in the postseason. Zero chance of winning, as has been the case since 1988. Enjoy!!!
 
BlueGold said:
I know many of you believe that if Toney would have played in the ND game, Miami would have won. Maybe, maybe not. It was a great game despite his absence. However, in all fairness, let's not forget that ND had it's share of injuries. Brauntae Johnson, who many consider one of the best safeties in the country, did not play. Captain middle linebacker Drayk Bowen did not play, DJ McKinney, second best cornerback did not play, one of our first string tackles did not play, Leonard Moore left the game for awhile in the second half because of a temporary eye issue, and our third best cornerback left the game due to injury in the second half. I am not here to argue or troll. I know Toney is one of the best players in the country. I just think that if everyone mentioned here played in a rematch in the post season, it would be another great game.
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"I'm not here to argue or troll"

If you have to say that it's exactly why you are here. Also;

Of all the guys you named the only one who's an actual difference maker is Brauntae Johnson.

Drayk Bowen is a jag. Captain of what. The Goodship Lollipop. The backup played as well or better.
DJ McKinney- Day 3 pick. Possible UDFA
Brewu- Day 3 pick. 4th to 6th rounder
Onye (don't know your ownn team)- UDFA

Miami players hurt OTHER than Toney
Josh Moore- 6'4" WR who entered the season as the starting X receiver
Max Buchannan- Starting RG
OJ Frederique- #1 CB, projected as day 2 pick. Possibly late 1st if he can have a healthy senior season
Jaboree Antoine- 2nd year CB with great measureables. Ya know that HB wheel that set up your final TD? If even one of Frederique or Antoine are healthy Dunnigan, the freshman who blew the assignment (could have been a pick 6 with how Carr stared it down), isn't in the game to make that mistake.
Marty Brown- #2/#3 RB who was a big part of the O before getting hurt
Luka Gilbert- 6'7", 255 lb TE who kills it as a blocker. His injury forced two freshman to see significant snaps. Both did okay but as a 2nd year player who's bigger and stronger I have to believe Gilbert would have done a better job.

And oh yeah.......the injuries you mentioned were known well in advance of this game. ND's coaches had at least a full week of practice to prepare others to take over the roles of your injured players. Toney got hurt on Wednesday. By that time the game plan is already installed meaning Miami's coaches had to recreate the game plan, install it with very little on field practice time (mainly during walk throughs), and hope for the best. Perhaps that had something to do with Miami's O looking like crap for the 1st half. If Toney had gotten hurt late vs UNC the effect of the injury, while still massive, is muted somewhat.

Go back to your ND circle jerk and call all of Miami's players convicts. Classy of ND fans to bring back those tee shirts for this game. Next time ND comes to Miami maybe some Canes fans will make a tee shirt that reads Canes vs Kid Touchers.
 
BlueGold said:
I know many of you believe that if Toney would have played in the ND game, Miami would have won. Maybe, maybe not. It was a great game despite his absence. However, in all fairness, let's not forget that ND had it's share of injuries. Brauntae Johnson, who many consider one of the best safeties in the country, did not play. Captain middle linebacker Drayk Bowen did not play, DJ McKinney, second best cornerback did not play, one of our first string tackles did not play, Leonard Moore left the game for awhile in the second half because of a temporary eye issue, and our third best cornerback left the game due to injury in the second half. I am not here to argue or troll. I know Toney is one of the best players in the country. I just think that if everyone mentioned here played in a rematch in the post season, it would be another great game.
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LOL, what’s funny about this is that there is only one no bull**** projected first rounder in that entire ND defense with everyone healthy (Moore).

The only other two players who are borderline and might sneak into the back end of the first round (Traore and KVA) played.

Johnson is at best a current 2nd rounder in an already weak safety class. Anyone else you mention (including McKinney) isn’t on the radar.

The bottom line is that there are levels to this. Malachi Toney is the 1% of 1% in college football. You could argue that Moore fits that bill as a bonafide top 10 (even top 5) draft pick. The rest of this is nonsense for injuries on both sides and their perceived impact.
 
90scane said:
We also had OJ (our best CB), Antoine (our 4th CB) and Max (our starting RG) out. We also have our starting WR (Moore), 2nd TE (Gilbert) and 2nd RB (Brown) out for the year. Most important, if we play again you wont have ACC refs which are the worst in the country.
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You are referring to the td that wasn't. That play can be argued for eternity. According to an unbiased referee, the catch in the end zone was explained that if he caught the ball in the middle of the end zone rather than close to out of bounds, it would have been called incomplete because the defender caused him to drop the ball. It was jarred loose. If the ball crosses the plain of the endzone on a run up the middle, it would be called a touchdown. This same issue does not apply to catching the ball in the endzone. He must have control of the ball all the way through to the end of the play. This is how I heard it explained.

Didn't Miami have a controversial call go in their favor in the North Carolina game? ND had a controversial call go against them in the BYU game by trying to spike the ball to stop the clock that was ruled a fumble. Some calls go in our favor and others go against us.
 
BlueGold said:
90scane said:
We also had OJ (our best CB), Antoine (our 4th CB) and Max (our starting RG) out. We also have our starting WR (Moore), 2nd TE (Gilbert) and 2nd RB (Brown) out for the year. Most important, if we play again you wont have ACC refs which are the worst in the country.
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You are referring to the td that wasn't. That play can be argued for eternity. According to an unbiased referee, the catch in the end zone was explained that if he caught the ball in the middle of the end zone rather than close to out of bounds, it would have been called incomplete because the defender caused him to drop the ball. It was jarred loose. If the ball crosses the plain of the endzone on a run up the middle, it would be called a touchdown. This same issue does not apply to catching the ball in the endzone. He must have control of the ball all the way through to the end of the play. This is how I heard it explained.

Didn't Miami have a controversial call go in their favor in the North Carolina game? ND had a controversial call go against them in the BYU game by trying to spike the ball to stop the clock that was ruled a fumble. Some calls go in our favor and others go against us.
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By the black and white letter of the NCAA rule book it meets all the criteria for a touchdown. Not feelings, not opinions, not even controversial, just the objective black and white rule. Anything else you wanna add??
 
BlueGold said:
You are referring to the td that wasn't. That play can be argued for eternity. According to an unbiased referee, the catch in the end zone was explained that if he caught the ball in the middle of the end zone rather than close to out of bounds, it would have been called incomplete because the defender caused him to drop the ball. It was jarred loose. If the ball crosses the plain of the endzone on a run up the middle, it would be called a touchdown. This same issue does not apply to catching the ball in the endzone. He must have control of the ball all the way through to the end of the play. This is how I heard it explained.

Didn't Miami have a controversial call go in their favor in the North Carolina game? ND had a controversial call go against them in the BYU game by trying to spike the ball to stop the clock that was ruled a fumble. Some calls go in our favor and others go against us.
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OMG! STFU! You mean a referee backed up anonther referee! Shocking. THEY ALWAYS DO THAT!

The ball wasn't caught in the middle of the field it was caught in the EZ and the player who caught it stepped out of bounds only for the defender to follow him OOB's and knock it out of his hand. Anything that happens once they are OOB's is null and void.

And no Miami didn't get a call in their favor vs UNC. UNC was offsides on an onside kick and made contact early on another. Nothing was controversial about either play. You were lied to and you believed it.
 
AboutTheU05 said:
LOL, what’s funny about this is that there is only one no bull**** projected first rounder in that entire ND defense with everyone healthy (Moore).

The only other two players who are borderline and might sneak into the back end of the first round (Traore and KVA) played.

Johnson is at best a current 2nd rounder in an already weak safety class. Anyone else you mention (including McKinney) isn’t on the radar.

The bottom line is that there are levels to this. Malachi Toney is the 1% of 1% in college football. You could argue that Moore fits that bill as a bonafide top 10 (even top 5) draft pick. The rest of this is nonsense for injuries on both sides and their perceived impact.
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Ok. So you are stating that our defense is weak compared to who? You? FSU took you into overtime and you were on life support against North Carolina. Everyone has an opinion here. Nobody is right or wrong. I really wanted to come and say it was a great game. Maybe we will see you in the playoffs. Good luck to the rest of your reason.
 
BlueGold said:
AboutTheU05 said:
LOL, what’s funny about this is that there is only one no bull**** projected first rounder in that entire ND defense with everyone healthy (Moore).

The only other two players who are borderline and might sneak into the back end of the first round (Traore and KVA) played.

Johnson is at best a current 2nd rounder in an already weak safety class. Anyone else you mention (including McKinney) isn’t on the radar.

The bottom line is that there are levels to this. Malachi Toney is the 1% of 1% in college football. You could argue that Moore fits that bill as a bonafide top 10 (even top 5) draft pick. The rest of this is nonsense for injuries on both sides and their perceived impact.
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Ok. So you are stating that our defense is weak compared to who? You? FSU took you into overtime and you were on life support against North Carolina. Everyone has an opinion here. Nobody is right or wrong. I really wanted to come and say it was a great game. Maybe we will see you in the playoffs. Good luck to the rest of your reason.
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I think I was clear with what I posted…..do all ND fans have this big of an issue with reading comprehension?
 
The injured ND players are at most marginally better than their backups. They are JAG's. They bring nothing special to the game.

Toney on the other hand is a true difference maker who defenses have to game plan around. The ND fan is so dumb that he can't comprehend this.

Johnson vs Frederique is a wash.
 
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