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TimeB0mb said:
There is not a single employer I've ever heard of that would choose an employee from the #35 rank school over the #47. It is irrelevant. Grad schools don't care either, unless the undergrad has a good rep in a certain area (like Cal Poly for science). Same goes for law schools. If you get into a T14, you should absolutely go there. There are lots of law firms that will absolutely not consider anyone outside of the T14, even if you graduate summa *** laude. For everyone else, I recommend going to a state school and paying in state tuition so you aren't saddled with 100k of debt.
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Ehh that is not entirely true. Yes you are correct employers aren't going to say well before I read this resume let me pull up the US News rankings, but some schools get their resume tossed before they even reach the hiring person desk just because of the school they went too. Also, lets say a specific team leader at Goldman hires 3 kids from UF and they all suck, he is going to be less likely to hire people from that school. If he hires three people from UM and they are all great then he will be more likely to hire them. So that factors in a lot as well.
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
Ehh that is not entirely true. Yes you are correct employers aren't going to say well before I read this resume let me pull up the US News rankings, but some schools get their resume tossed before they even reach the hiring person desk just because of the school they went too. Also, lets say a specific team leader at Goldman hires 3 kids from UF and they all suck, he is going to be less likely to hire people from that school. If he hires three people from UM and they are all great then he will be more likely to hire them. So that factors in a lot as well.
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Well of course they are going to toss the resumes of UF grads. That's just common sense.
 
CaneFan79 said:
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Down to #53 from being up to a high of #38 at the beginning of the decade.

Frenk better start getting it going in this area, students/parents paying high tuition demand a commensurateranking to what they are shelling out.
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CaneFan79 said:
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Down to #53 from being up to a high of #38 at the beginning of the decade.

Frenk better start getting it going in this area, students/parents paying high tuition demand a commensurateranking to what they are shelling out.
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Champagne price for a beer education. Who the **** is going to pay that when they can go to the Gaturds for much less?.
 
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holycane said:
How much did Hogtown Agricultural College pay to be #38? Seems like these rankings are all over the place from year to year.
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There's always a lot of variability between schools ranked around 25-75. US News rankings don't mean much in that range because schools go back and forth all the time.

The top 10 schools almost never change in contrast
 
US News college rankings matter. You can argue about the criteria that go into the rankings, but people pay attention. Going from 38 to 53 sucks.
 
Is this real life? Is there anything else you bltches want to complain about.

WSJ rankings matter, too.

Guess which rag successful people read more...by a far margin.
 
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The idiots over at the med school need to get their **** together

Law school has been carrying their weight for far too long
 
The measurements for the ranking concern the undergraduate side, however if the graduate side or other operations are taking $$$ from undergraduate merit scholarships, faculty hiring (faculty to student ratio has gone from 11-1 to 12-1 in the past five years or so) and programs to increase the six year graduation rate, it will cost you.

The data used by US News (with the exception of their peer score) is right here:

Common Data Set | Office of Planning, Institutional Research, and Assessment | University of Miami
 
Good convo. My son wants to major in business, Finance to be exact. He loved his UM visit. Price is definitely a concern though. It's pretty **** expensive. He's also looking at Indiana, UGA, and UNC (we will see about UNC they're tough).

I'll say this about rankings. It's kinda like recruiting. When we're signing a class like Storm 18, we're all about the rankings. When we're not, then rankings don't mean s**t. LOL
 
I haven't looked it up, but how many administators/staff are there compared to actual professors. I know with all the Title IX issues, most schools are spending a lot of money on administration, and they always want to spend more on more staff to justify their existence.
 
holycane said:
Champagne price for a beer education. Who the **** is going to pay that when they can go to the Gaturds for much less?.
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To be fair, for many UM students, it does not seem like price is that much of an issue. Not only are their families paying tuition, it sure seems that many of them live in very nice apartments in Brickell and Coral Gables. For kids from well-to-do Northeast families, I have a feeling that being in a cosmopolitan city like Miami is the deciding factor, and they are willing to pay for that privilege. For the most part, I'm sure most NYC/Boston/Chicago kids have no desire to spend 4 years of their lives in Hogtown or some other SEC dump like Tuscaloosa.
 
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CANE1775 said:
Good convo. My son wants to major in business, Finance to be exact. He loved his UM visit. Price is definitely a concern though. It's pretty **** expensive. He's also looking at Indiana, UGA, and UNC (we will see about UNC they're tough).

I'll say this about rankings. It's kinda like recruiting. When we're signing a class like Storm 18, we're all about the rankings. When we're not, then rankings don't mean s**t. LOL
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**** right on your last point.

When we sucked on the field and climbed ahead of the Gates, it was like we won another national championship since we had nothing else to cheer for. Now the other rankings matter more since we're higher in them.

Anyhow, good discussion. Some laughable moments for sure.
 
Fantastic news. Maybe they will finally give up on this idiotic pipe dream of being an elite academic institution and actually allow us to have our football program back.

Miami has been delusional about its academics for a while, and the absurd standards for recruits and JUCO players havent matched the actual level of the school.
 
Tetragrammaton Cane said:
You nailed it! US News is the gold standard. WSJ is like the third page of a google search: relevant, but few people get passed the first page. Miami’s ranking has been slipping for the past three years but ... folks don’t want to come to terms with reality. And as grad schools go, the state schools are regularly ranked above private schools.


And there are Miami resumes getting tossed in the financial sector right along with the UF ones (weird how you don’t give the option of the UF kids who might be good or even Miami kids who might suck). Facts: Miami just isn’t considered like that. It’s nationals (Stanford, Chicago, South Bend), northern schools, Ivies and ... well, a coin flip.

As an Alumnus, if it’s important to you, you might want to pay attention to why Miami is slipping, regardless of the criteria.
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You are absolutely correct. At the big private equity firms and well paying IB jobs for new graduates Miami degrees get tossed out as well. The only degrees that really prop you up are Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Princeton, Oxford, Cambridge, Stanford, and a few others. If you go to any other school and want to get a good job in one of those fields you will need to have some really good internships. Miami DOES hold weight. The companies do not care at all about US News rankings. If anything business school rankings matter more. However, all of these companies have their own in house "Rankings" and basically they only look at resumes from certain schools UNLESS the resume gets pushed to the desk because of some sort of connections the kid has. Miami has enough respect to actually get to peoples desk were as UGA, UF, OSU, and the other school above and around us on US news do not. Any good private equity firm will toss a Miami resume though. I was lucky enough to do internships from the summer after freshman, soph, and jr years so I had a solid resume by the time I started applying, but without that I would not have gotten my job. US News rankings may help if you are trying to get a job in some random field like teaching or something like that. I have no idea about those fields. I would like to see Miami continue to get better because the Ivy guys all look down on non-ivy degrees. Especially if you didn't go to a Duke or a similar top tier non-ivy, but at this point it really isn't going to help me get a job because all that really matter is my prior work experience. I also would love for Miami to continue to get better so I can send my kids to Miami when it is time.
 
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