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The # 1 Problem with UM football from 2003 to present

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DTP said:
There's a way to be effective and efficient on offense that doesn't require 5 All Americans on your offensive line every year but for some reason, we never hire a coordinator who agrees with me.
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Teams that run cool offenses with bad offensive lines have to be that way in order to stay competitive. They still lose three games every year. One would hope that Miami would have ambitions to be like Alabama and Clemson, not Oklahoma State.
 
ThomasM said:
The administration not knowing a good coach when they see one is the heart of the problem. For years we went cheap, and now we are just going stupid. Mark Richt gave UM an easy out, and we went and hired a guy with no football playing experience, and no head coaching experience. Just plain stupid. To top it off, we had to pay his buyout. A coach with NO EXPERIENCE... we paid his buyout. "No, Temple, you don't need to pay him to learn on the job. We will pay him, and we will pay you, too."
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You realize half the coaches of the current top 10 teams had no prior head coaching experience right?
 
PanamaCityCanes said:
Teams that run cool offenses with bad offensive lines have to be that way in order to stay competitive. They still lose three games every year. One would hope that Miami would have ambitions to be like Alabama and Clemson, not Oklahoma State.
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If we're not going to have an all world OL, which I just don't see happening in the near future, then we need to try something else. We should do what we can to win the Coastal, THEN worry about getting to the level of Alabama and Clemson. I guarantee you it won't happen if we can't even win the Coastal at least every other year. We need to do what it takes to win, then change incrementally to become better. Losing, and playing down to CMU because we want to look like Bama right now will never lead to success.
 
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I do recall rolling out the red carpet for some dude named Evan Neal last year I believe. I think we also had Cardell Thomas on an official.
If we can’t win we have to buy the ones that want to be bought. If we had bags we would have landed Tunsill. I’ll go out on a limb and say he would have started here.
Storm 18 was achieved with a veteran sec coach an 8 win season and then a 10 win season. And even then we were able to land only one elite offensive linemen in Donaldson and landed one elite sofla player in Pope. We couldn’t even keep Whoopie. We also didn’t land any elite dline in that time span. We tried with ingraham and Harris.
We tried. Call it Searles personality or lack of bags. But oline is a developmental game. Evan Neal is the starting left guard at bama and would have been 2nd string left guard if it wasn’t for last years started being suspended. But he’s so good he might beat hat guy out. Neal would start here day 0. But at bama he couldn’t even crack the 2 deep at left tackle. Will he be their left tackle in 2 years or even next? Maybe. But that’s what those schools have over us. We need to stack o linemen the way FSU is in love with db’s.
So even if we do get them we can’t just put them out there like gaynor was the year before and Zion is this year.
On a playoff level half of our dudes would barely be sniffing second string and likely redshirting.
So yes op, oline is the way to the playoffs but we’ve tried. Golden even went to California and got him a highly ranked ****** security guard. It didn’t work out.
 
Its not a mystery. When Miami was dominant it was dominate because the LOS. We've always had good skilled players. Always. But our OL has been weak since 2001.

Not surprising Alabama, OSU and Clemson are there every year. New coaches, new players, still top 5. Why?
 
ThomasM said:
Tell me again about our success the last 15 years. I'll wait patiently.
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Your post is about us hiring a coach with no experience and him learning on the job.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the last 15 years.
 
Go Canes!! said:
Your post is about us hiring a coach with no experience and him learning on the job.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the last 15 years.
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Not just about hiring a coach with no experience, but paying out the butt to do so. If you're going to pay a buyout, you do it for a proven coach.
 
Miami has to figure out what they want to be. A power run, a pro style or a spread offense. Wisconsin knows they are a power run team so thats the O line they recruit. Ohio st is spread mobile QB offense so they recruit O line to run their offense. Different conferences play different styles and recruit O line to fit their offenses. D ends today move like rabbits so you cant have huge slow tackles. Miami had to put 50 lbs on Nelson so he could start at the most important position left tackle. Think about that. That is how bad the O linemen on this team are.
 
Since 2003 we’ve had quite a few oline men drafted as well. I think dmoney put a stat out that we’ve gotten more oline dudes draftedthan a lot of other p5 schools
 
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ThomasM said:
If we're not going to have an all world OL, which I just don't see happening in the near future, then we need to try something else. We should do what we can to win the Coastal, THEN worry about getting to the level of Alabama and Clemson. I guarantee you it won't happen if we can't even win the Coastal at least every other year. We need to do what it takes to win, then change incrementally to become better. Losing, and playing down to CMU because we want to look like Bama right now will never lead to success.
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Who said it needs to be "all world"? I would just like to find some guys who can slow down the guys in front of them. That would be a start.
 
Do you guys really think the coaches just say "ehhhh, let's not put any resources in to recruiting the OL." It is more difficult to land the OL teams like Whisky are landing just as it's more difficult for them to land the 4 star WR from Broward. We have to make it up by solid evals, which will lead to more wins which hopefully helps up land great players at every position like the bag schools do.
 
CaneDogX said:
Miami is known to be a hot-bed of skilled players. 5 Star, skilled athletes at nearly every school in Dade/Broward county. Positions like WR, FS, RB, etc. Teams like Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson come to south Florida and cherry pick our athletes but Miami can match big schools recruiting athletes like Pope, Lingard, Thomas, etc. Recruiting classes are always top 10// top 20. However, the fundamental problem with Miami since 2003 is more than just our coordinators, or play-calling or our coaching.

What do Ohio State, Clemson, OU and Alabama have in common.. year after year. Their QBs change, their RBs change... yet they still dominate. Why?

The # 1 problem with UM football is we do not prioritize our OL. South Florida is deep with speed and skill but not deep with big uglies. Top schools always dominate the line of scrimmage. So we can go on about our talent and recruiting classes, our QB play but we're not landing top OL and DL.

When was the last time we had a dominate OL and DL? I'd say it was 2000, 2001. We continually target these athletes yet Wisconsin dominates us twice... with nowhere near the athletes. We have more 'skill' and more 'athletes' then every team we play.. yet we lose. Why? Because our we're not prioritizing the OL. This year is just another example of misguided recruiting.
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I am still no student of the game like so many others on here, but the FIRST thing I learned from watching and listening to the minds back in 03' was that we would never again be as dominant until we shored up and recreated the type of OLines and Dlines we had during the last run.

15+years later, here we are.

The one true thing I know for sure.

Spread notwithstanding, emphasizing the OLINE is Priority number 1. It's just about the only thing we HAVE to recruit this year above all else and moving forward.
 
SWFLSWAGG17 said:
Do you guys really think the coaches just say "ehhhh, let's not put any resources in to recruiting the OL." It is more difficult to land the OL teams like Whisky are landing just as it's more difficult for them to land the 4 star WR from Broward. We have to make it up by solid evals, which will lead to more wins which hopefully helps up land great players at every position like the bag schools do.
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Eh, that's a little too rational. Don't forget where you are.
 
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