Temple getting on campus stadium

[FIUMCane]

The stadium doesn't give you an advantage on game day but you're delusional if you think other coaches do not use the stadium/game day atmosphere angle to negative recruit against us.

Absolutely. They say, "don't play at Miami because the stadium is empty." If people showed up at SLS, there goes the negative recruiting aspect. It's got nothing to do with having a stadium on campus or the location at all. The only advantage the other teams have is their stadiums are full.

People in Miami are just looking for excuses not to go to games. "Oh, it's too far. Oh, it's not the right environment". That's exactly why people were claiming they didn't go to Marlins games in SLS. So they built a Baseball specific stadium, right in the middle of Miami so it would be closer for all the "fans" and guess what? Nobody goes there. Maybe it's the atmosphere.

You can't compare the Marlins situation with any other team in Miami. Loria and that little punk Samson screwed over the residents of Dade county. while I do agree that being a good team and winning will pack SLS. We can't ignore the need of having our own stadium in a more centered location.

the days of college football being second fiddle to the NFL are over. Alabama is probably worth more money than 25 NFL teams. Kids want the college experience and they're not getting it at SLS. On campus is not the answer and frankly it is impossible. But somewhere close to the school and near a highway is ideal.

I'll agree that it would be nice for UM to have it's own stadium but I'm not holding my breath.

As for revenue, the top 2-3 teams in NCAA football (Texas, Notre Dame, Alabama) all generate between $100-130 million a year where the average NFL team revenue is over $220 million with the highest grossing team, the Packers, generating $376 million. So, while college football is big money, it's not really close to the NFL.

How much of that do you think has to do with the fact that most college teams are not able to sell alcohol? I know some schools can but very few. I'm not being being a smart *** or anything, really would like to know. Im assuming if you take away Booz from NFL stadiums, they would be neck and neck with the college teams.

 

[Tmack3]

Just field a good team and the stadium issue goes away. It's amazing how many people think a new stadium solves UM's issues. If the team is winning 9-10 games per year, then actual attendance will be higher. Just remember, in the heyday of the program, the team usually averaged around 50k per year. I think in 01 or 02 it was close to 60k and you're talking about the greatest teams of all time. I hate SLS but it's not our biggest issue. Coaching and talent will solve the issue.

 

[FIUMCane]

Just field a good team and the stadium issue goes away. It's amazing how many people think a new stadium solves UM's issues. If the team is winning 9-10 games per year, then actual attendance will be higher. Just remember, in the heyday of the program, the team usually averaged around 50k per year. I think in 01 or 02 it was close to 60k and you're talking about the greatest teams of all time. I hate SLS but it's not our biggest issue. Coaching and talent will solve the issue.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that. But it's something that shouldn't be ignored. I hate the fact that every hurricanes game I go to, I'm supporting Stephen Ross and the Miami Dolphins. We need our own home.

 

[DTP]

Hmmm...I'm curious as to how much extra $$$ they could make by selling beer at on campus stadiums. (Although, i had no problems buiying beer at the FAU game this past season).

As for supporting Stephen Ross, I look at it this way. For years, UM was paying the city of Miami rent for the Orange Bowl. As the OB got older and in need of more and more repairs, the city just kept putting that UM rent money in their respective pocket and let the old girl fall apart. The city of Miami was a slum lord. Just kept taking the money but putting nothing towards repairs or upgrades. You know how much money they lost out on because of no luxury boxes/suites? At least Stephen Ross has not only maintained SLS, he's spent hundreds of millions renovating it. Yeah, SLS doesn't have one tenth the heart and soul of the old Orange Bowl but at least it's owner gives a crap about it's condition.

 

[Hurracanes]

The stadium doesn't give you an advantage on game day but you're delusional if you think other coaches do not use the stadium/game day atmosphere angle to negative recruit against us.

Lamar Thomas, a former player, used SLS against on Twitter. Let that sink in for a second. Imagine what Urban, Saban, Jimbo, etc., are saying. And you know what? If I were an 18 year old kid, I would cringe at the thought of playing at SLS. I would rather experience Doak Campbell or the Swamp on Saturdays. The Orange Bowl was great because that place had an incredible atmosphere even with small crowds, and was like no other stadium when she was sold out. 50k doesn't get SLS rocking. It isn't built for that.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

The stadium doesn't give you an advantage on game day but you're delusional if you think other coaches do not use the stadium/game day atmosphere angle to negative recruit against us.

Lamar Thomas, a former player, used SLS against on Twitter. Let that sink in for a second. Imagine what Urban, Saban, Jimbo, etc., are saying. And you know what? If I were an 18 year old kid, I would cringe at the thought of playing at SLS. I would rather experience Doak Campbell or the Swamp on Saturdays. The Orange Bowl was great because that place had an incredible atmosphere even with small crowds, and was like no other stadium when she was sold out. 50k doesn't get SLS rocking. It isn't built for that.

This is the unfortunate truth.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Absolutely agree here...the student body of Miami is not your target audience...not for this school.

That's retarded. This is how you build a fan base, by getting the student body involved. Otherwise we rely on the fans of Miami who never fill Marlins Park, who never filled Sun Life when they were in the World Series (!), who never filled American Airlines during the regular season with Bosh, Wade, and James. The student body more than any other group should be the main goal.

Youd think after all these years and 5 titles you'd get something from the student body, right? Dont you think it's been tried? When you play in a pro stadium in a major metro area with significant pro competition in every season, your key to success is getting the general public. The student body is only about 10K anyway isnt it? Do a little research before you try being a wiseass, and check yourself before you toss around the word "retarded" so easily.

Uh no, I don't think an on campus stadium has been tried. That's the point. They've always targeted the city of Miami, and don't YOU think that after 5 national titles they'd get something from the city? Notre Dame has a smaller student body. Let that sink in.

I know a campus stadium hasnt bern tried. I meant that theyve tried engaging and activating the student body and the results are what they are.
Id love an on campus or more local stadium. My point is to not build or plan with the idea of the student body being your prime target for filling the stadium.
And ND is a totally different animal...

Oh they did? When was that, and how did they go about it? There's nothing that you can say that would even compare to putting an on campus stadium as a way of engaging the students. And the point is building a fan base. The students now are not going to games and not becoming fans of the program. You're probably losing 1-2k potential fans per year at that rate. Compared to building an experience for students where they'll continually want to come back and contribute to the program. It's a no-brainer. The problem has always been Coral Gables though. But I don't even know why people are trying to say that we shouldn't be creating an environment where the students are central. They are always the loudest fans and a better experience to bring out more students would make it even louder. Make the experience better than the other things Miami has to offer. ND has become different because they have an on-campus stadium and their alumni always come back. There's no reason they can fill their stadium and we can't fill ours. Our recent tradition is much richer than theirs.

 

[MarcoD70]

That's retarded. This is how you build a fan base, by getting the student body involved. Otherwise we rely on the fans of Miami who never fill Marlins Park, who never filled Sun Life when they were in the World Series (!), who never filled American Airlines during the regular season with Bosh, Wade, and James. The student body more than any other group should be the main goal.

Youd think after all these years and 5 titles you'd get something from the student body, right? Dont you think it's been tried? When you play in a pro stadium in a major metro area with significant pro competition in every season, your key to success is getting the general public. The student body is only about 10K anyway isnt it? Do a little research before you try being a wiseass, and check yourself before you toss around the word "retarded" so easily.

Uh no, I don't think an on campus stadium has been tried. That's the point. They've always targeted the city of Miami, and don't YOU think that after 5 national titles they'd get something from the city? Notre Dame has a smaller student body. Let that sink in.

I know a campus stadium hasnt bern tried. I meant that theyve tried engaging and activating the student body and the results are what they are.
Id love an on campus or more local stadium. My point is to not build or plan with the idea of the student body being your prime target for filling the stadium.
And ND is a totally different animal...

Oh they did? When was that, and how did they go about it? There's nothing that you can say that would even compare to putting an on campus stadium as a way of engaging the students. And the point is building a fan base. The students now are not going to games and not becoming fans of the program. You're probably losing 1-2k potential fans per year at that rate. Compared to building an experience for students where they'll continually want to come back and contribute to the program. It's a no-brainer. The problem has always been Coral Gables though. But I don't even know why people are trying to say that we shouldn't be creating an environment where the students are central. They are always the loudest fans and a better experience to bring out more students would make it even louder. Make the experience better than the other things Miami has to offer. ND has become different because they have an on-campus stadium and their alumni always come back. There's no reason they can fill their stadium and we can't fill ours. Our recent tradition is much richer than theirs.

Hey I never said they engaged the student body well. After all, this is the same regime that gave us Randy Shannon and Al Golden to lead our football program.
Start by winning...gauge the response and go from there. But its all gotta start with winning at a very very high level again.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Youd think after all these years and 5 titles you'd get something from the student body, right? Dont you think it's been tried? When you play in a pro stadium in a major metro area with significant pro competition in every season, your key to success is getting the general public. The student body is only about 10K anyway isnt it? Do a little research before you try being a wiseass, and check yourself before you toss around the word "retarded" so easily.

Uh no, I don't think an on campus stadium has been tried. That's the point. They've always targeted the city of Miami, and don't YOU think that after 5 national titles they'd get something from the city? Notre Dame has a smaller student body. Let that sink in.

I know a campus stadium hasnt bern tried. I meant that theyve tried engaging and activating the student body and the results are what they are.
Id love an on campus or more local stadium. My point is to not build or plan with the idea of the student body being your prime target for filling the stadium.
And ND is a totally different animal...

Oh they did? When was that, and how did they go about it? There's nothing that you can say that would even compare to putting an on campus stadium as a way of engaging the students. And the point is building a fan base. The students now are not going to games and not becoming fans of the program. You're probably losing 1-2k potential fans per year at that rate. Compared to building an experience for students where they'll continually want to come back and contribute to the program. It's a no-brainer. The problem has always been Coral Gables though. But I don't even know why people are trying to say that we shouldn't be creating an environment where the students are central. They are always the loudest fans and a better experience to bring out more students would make it even louder. Make the experience better than the other things Miami has to offer. ND has become different because they have an on-campus stadium and their alumni always come back. There's no reason they can fill their stadium and we can't fill ours. Our recent tradition is much richer than theirs.

Hey I never said they engaged the student body well. After all, this is the same regime that gave us Randy Shannon and Al Golden to lead our football program.
Start by winning...gauge the response and go from there. But its all gotta start with winning at a very very high level again.

Gauge the response by what happens when we win? We have 5 NC's in the past 30 some years! The results are in bruh.

Hurricanes Football: Attendance History - University of Miami Hurricanes Official Athletic Site

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

An on campus stadium is a 100% impossibility. It will never happen. Anyone that thinks it's a remote possibility is completely clueless to the campus, space, parking, traffic issues, and the city of Coral Gables. Totally clueless. Imbecilic wish.

 

[DTP]

Not only is the student body small, a large portion of it is out of state kids. When they graduate, they move back to Connecticut or New York and rarely make it back to south Florida for an occasional UM football game. Why do you think they were pushing so hard for the bowl game in Yankee Stadium last year? What percentage of attendees at a football game are alumnus? 5%? If you want the UM football program to succeed, you NEED the local, non-alumni fans. At any given football game, I'd say at least 85% of the crowd has no affiliation to the university at all besides just being fans of the team. Bending over backwards to try to gain support from a tiny and apathetic student body is shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[kryptonite]

Why do people say the roads in the Gables couldn't handle the traffic? It's a road, two lanes a side leading in. You know what....that's similar to pretty much every on campus venue I've ever been to. Somehow they make it work. The residents around the area would adjust.

that's just it. coral gables isn't just any Podunk college down. the city doesn't cow to the university for anything or anyone when it comes to these matters. on top of that its smack dab in the middle of some of the highest population density area in the entire east coast if not the country. its a non-starter in my admittedly non insider opinion.

Here's a list of the richest neighborhoods in America. Richest Neighborhoods In America - Business Insider
Coral gables is on there. TWICE. Politicians don't tell people with that much money ****, so if residents don't want it (and they don't) you can forget about building a stadium on campus.

And no, I don't have the first clue how they figure out what constitutes a "neighborhood".

 

[MarcoD70]

Uh no, I don't think an on campus stadium has been tried. That's the point. They've always targeted the city of Miami, and don't YOU think that after 5 national titles they'd get something from the city? Notre Dame has a smaller student body. Let that sink in.

I know a campus stadium hasnt bern tried. I meant that theyve tried engaging and activating the student body and the results are what they are.
Id love an on campus or more local stadium. My point is to not build or plan with the idea of the student body being your prime target for filling the stadium.
And ND is a totally different animal...

Oh they did? When was that, and how did they go about it? There's nothing that you can say that would even compare to putting an on campus stadium as a way of engaging the students. And the point is building a fan base. The students now are not going to games and not becoming fans of the program. You're probably losing 1-2k potential fans per year at that rate. Compared to building an experience for students where they'll continually want to come back and contribute to the program. It's a no-brainer. The problem has always been Coral Gables though. But I don't even know why people are trying to say that we shouldn't be creating an environment where the students are central. They are always the loudest fans and a better experience to bring out more students would make it even louder. Make the experience better than the other things Miami has to offer. ND has become different because they have an on-campus stadium and their alumni always come back. There's no reason they can fill their stadium and we can't fill ours. Our recent tradition is much richer than theirs.

Hey I never said they engaged the student body well. After all, this is the same regime that gave us Randy Shannon and Al Golden to lead our football program.
Start by winning...gauge the response and go from there. But its all gotta start with winning at a very very high level again.

Gauge the response by what happens when we win? We have 5 NC's in the past 30 some years! The results are in bruh.

Hurricanes Football: Attendance History - University of Miami Hurricanes Official Athletic Site

That's ancient history dude....it really is. It's something to be proud of but we've spent just about the same amount of time being ****. This is a new era and people look at entertainment in a different way than they used to. Hey, if they can build an on campus stadium that's great...but all I read here is how impossible it is to handle traffic, etc. I still stick to my initial statement that the key for "great attendance" at Miami games in 2016 and beyond is getting the general public to care and get excited about the team. Then the people will come. I'm not saying to abandon the students ...but do what you can.
Question....is it illegal by NCAA rules for Miami to give free tickets to local high school students? It seems innocent on the surface but as soon as a HS football player gets a free ticket, I think that might be taboo.

 

[MarcoD70]

Not only is the student body small, a large portion of it is out of state kids. When they graduate, they move back to Connecticut or New York and rarely make it back to south Florida for an occasional UM football game. Why do you think they were pushing so hard for the bowl game in Yankee Stadium last year? What percentage of attendees at a football game are alumnus? 5%? If you want the UM football program to succeed, you NEED the local, non-alumni fans. At any given football game, I'd say at least 85% of the crowd has no affiliation to the university at all besides just being fans of the team. Bending over backwards to try to gain support from a tiny and apathetic student body is shooting yourself in the foot.

THIS!! And before you compare it to Notre Dame, ND is a different animal. It's basically Chicago's college football team (unfortunately)

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Not only is the student body small, a large portion of it is out of state kids. When they graduate, they move back to Connecticut or New York and rarely make it back to south Florida for an occasional UM football game. Why do you think they were pushing so hard for the bowl game in Yankee Stadium last year? What percentage of attendees at a football game are alumnus? 5%? If you want the UM football program to succeed, you NEED the local, non-alumni fans. At any given football game, I'd say at least 85% of the crowd has no affiliation to the university at all besides just being fans of the team. Bending over backwards to try to gain support from a tiny and apathetic student body is shooting yourself in the foot.

THIS!! And before you compare it to Notre Dame, ND is a different animal. It's basically Chicago's college football team (unfortunately)

What does that mean? Does Chicago have more people than Dade County? Chicago is about 100 miles away from Notre Dame, and between PB, Broward and Dade county our population is double Chicago's. And we aren't competing with Northwestern or Illinois for football fans, we're the only major program in the region. But you're right, we should continue to engage the apathetic city of Miami to build a sustainable fan base. That'll keep working.

 

[MarcoD70]

Not only is the student body small, a large portion of it is out of state kids. When they graduate, they move back to Connecticut or New York and rarely make it back to south Florida for an occasional UM football game. Why do you think they were pushing so hard for the bowl game in Yankee Stadium last year? What percentage of attendees at a football game are alumnus? 5%? If you want the UM football program to succeed, you NEED the local, non-alumni fans. At any given football game, I'd say at least 85% of the crowd has no affiliation to the university at all besides just being fans of the team. Bending over backwards to try to gain support from a tiny and apathetic student body is shooting yourself in the foot.

THIS!! And before you compare it to Notre Dame, ND is a different animal. It's basically Chicago's college football team (unfortunately)

What does that mean? Does Chicago have more people than Dade County? Chicago is about 100 miles away from Notre Dame, and between PB, Broward and Dade county our population is double Chicago's. And we aren't competing with Northwestern or Illinois for football fans, we're the only major program in the region. But you're right, we should continue to engage the apathetic city of Miami to build a sustainable fan base. That'll keep working.

There is no competition from Illinois or NW football. The ONLY people who care about those teams are alums...period. So you're saying the city of Miami is apathetic but the student body isn't? What I'm reading here from other posters is that the student body IS apathetic. And the more this thread goes on I wonder why the University can't do BOTH!! It's gotta start with the end product being something people want to consume....and the Hurricanes of that past 10 years just weren't a hot commodity for anyone but hard core fans to devote their time to.

 

[FIUMCane]

I honestly don't think we will ever get a stadium. The only thing that will come close to having our own stadium, is playing in beckhams stadium when he builds it in overtown. Only a few miles from school and off of a metro station

We have been close to being white dog crap the last 15 years...you would think that if the school gave 2 shyts, they would have tried to build a stadium when we were down and almost out. At least it would have created some excitement with the fan base, alumni and student body. Similar to what the Dolphins are doing right now. They suck kak but people will go to the stadium just to watch a game under the new canopy.

We're on the way to the top now and the more we win, the less I believe the administration will consider a stadium since SLS will be packed.

Simply no hope for a new home. I hope that I'm wrong though.

 

[jhg]

North Philly is rough. Would be interested to see how that turns out

Very rough.. but Philly and the part of North Philly isn't that bad.. Other parts of philly are way worse.

I lived in philly most of my life. You don't know what you're talking about. North Philly isn't safe to walk through at any hour of the day.

I don't think you realize just how large North Philly is.

 

[Hurracanes]

Just field a good team and the stadium issue goes away. It's amazing how many people think a new stadium solves UM's issues. If the team is winning 9-10 games per year, then actual attendance will be higher. Just remember, in the heyday of the program, the team usually averaged around 50k per year. I think in 01 or 02 it was close to 60k and you're talking about the greatest teams of all time. I hate SLS but it's not our biggest issue. Coaching and talent will solve the issue.

Who said it's the biggest issue? That being said, it is an issue till we have our own intimate and smaller stadium, closer to campus.

 

[Hurracanes]

I honestly don't think we will ever get a stadium. The only thing that will come close to having our own stadium, is playing in beckhams stadium when he builds it in overtown. Only a few miles from school and off of a metro station

We have been close to being white dog crap the last 15 years...you would think that if the school gave 2 shyts, they would have tried to build a stadium when we were down and almost out. At least it would have created some excitement with the fan base, alumni and student body. Similar to what the Dolphins are doing right now. They suck kak but people will go to the stadium just to watch a game under the new canopy.

We're on the way to the top now and the more we win, the less I believe the administration will consider a stadium since SLS will be packed.

Simply no hope for a new home. I hope that I'm wrong though.

SLS has a strong history of poor attendance with the Dolphins, Marlins and Canes. Fans have a strong disconnection with SLS and do not enjoy their experience in that venue like they did at the OB. The idea that attendance will rise dramatically once this program starts winning is a myth that fans tell themselves to make themselves feel better about SLS. It would take a national title to see a significant jump on attendance, and even that's not a guarantee. Finally, the stadium problem is not going away any time soon.