Tell me about Chud

[Thommy30w]

What I glean from this thread and Lu's thread asking about Cristobal - for some reason, our administration is actually giving consideration to those two guys. I've said this in a couple other threads, but I just don't understand it. Look, I have no doubt that Chud is respected as an offensive coach, and I think that he's a significantly better candidate than Mario - but that says more about how ridiculous it is that Mario is a candidate than it does about Chud. If the guy was so well respected, he would be a coordinator or head coach, not an advisor. If he was so well respected as an offensive coach, why isn't there a single other college job in the country that he's being considered for?

We do need a coach that has Xs and Os knowledge, and not just a guy who is a "good recruiter" like Mario, but there has to be at least a bit of balance. That means we don't have to hire a guy who hasn't coached in college in 10+ years and who has one year of experience (with a terrible record) as a head coach. Again, if the idea is that we're going to pursue Herman and Fuente, but don't think we can get those guys, and we can't BBB, because of some stupid reason, and we don't have the money to attract some other coach, that doesn't mean we have to automatically go to the "Miami guys" list, all of which have significant flaws. There are other coaches out there who are well respected as Xs and Os guys who are out there that we have to at least consider, whether it's Scott Frost, or Kirby Smart, or Dino Babers, or Doug Meachem (the OC at TCU), etc., etc. I'm not even saying that those are guys I want, but to me, those guys are more viable candidates than Chud.

One of the things that people forget about Dennis is that on the offensive side of the ball he knew his X's and O's and was ahead of his time.

 

[GeminiCane]

My biggest concern with Chud is recruiting. Does he want to deal with 16-17 year olds, play their game, play the recruiting game in general, get into the mud when needed etc. He doesn't strike me as someone who has a magnetic personality so closing could be an issue. Lastly, he's a pro coach, he would always be looking to leave to get a NFL job. I agree we want coaches who use this program as a launch pad, but there has to be some balance between launch pad and just spending 2 years and bolting the first time a good NFL job opens up.

 

[Canesbball]

He's f***ing garbage and would put the final nail in this program's coffin.

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Chud is a Cane great, have a little respect even if you don't like him as a head coach. He's down my list, but there is no reason to speak about anyone who has done what he did for this program, especially on the field, like that. Pathetic.

He's a horrific hire. Absolute garbage and would bury this program even deeper than it already is.

 

[The Franchise]

So Dud took the number 1 overall draft pick and a transcendent talent and leader who made Gene Chizik a NC HC and improved Carolina's offense a little with him? Ok. He's got that going for him.

"Improved their offense a little?" They went from worst in the league to fifth in scoring.

And nobody expected Cam to set rookie records for passing. The knock on him was that he was exceedingly raw.

There is a lot more to being a college head coach than coaching offense. But I have no doubt he and Kaaya would light teams up.

I wouldn't put too much emphasis on Kaaya. He'll likely only be coached by the new HC for a year.

 

[LuCane]

So Dud took the number 1 overall draft pick and a transcendent talent and leader who made Gene Chizik a NC HC and improved Carolina's offense a little with him? Ok. He's got that going for him.

"Improved their offense a little?" They went from worst in the league to fifth in scoring.

And nobody expected Cam to set rookie records for passing. The knock on him was that he was exceedingly raw.

There is a lot more to being a college head coach than coaching offense. But I have no doubt he and Kaaya would light teams up.

I wouldn't put too much emphasis on Kaaya. He'll likely only be coached by the new HC for a year.

I don't expect him to leave early. If he does plan to make that jump, he has a lot of physical work to do.

 

[The Franchise]

So Dud took the number 1 overall draft pick and a transcendent talent and leader who made Gene Chizik a NC HC and improved Carolina's offense a little with him? Ok. He's got that going for him.

"Improved their offense a little?" They went from worst in the league to fifth in scoring.

And nobody expected Cam to set rookie records for passing. The knock on him was that he was exceedingly raw.

There is a lot more to being a college head coach than coaching offense. But I have no doubt he and Kaaya would light teams up.

I wouldn't put too much emphasis on Kaaya. He'll likely only be coached by the new HC for a year.

I don't expect him to leave early. If he does plan to make that jump, he has a lot of physical work to do.

He supposedly made huge physical gains between last year and this year, and he's a very hard worker. I'd be shocked if he stays for his full 4 years. Even if he does, do you want to hire a HC based on having a QB for 2 years?

 

[LuCane]

So Dud took the number 1 overall draft pick and a transcendent talent and leader who made Gene Chizik a NC HC and improved Carolina's offense a little with him? Ok. He's got that going for him.

"Improved their offense a little?" They went from worst in the league to fifth in scoring.

And nobody expected Cam to set rookie records for passing. The knock on him was that he was exceedingly raw.

There is a lot more to being a college head coach than coaching offense. But I have no doubt he and Kaaya would light teams up.

I wouldn't put too much emphasis on Kaaya. He'll likely only be coached by the new HC for a year.

I don't expect him to leave early. If he does plan to make that jump, he has a lot of physical work to do.

He supposedly made huge physical gains between last year and this year, and he's a very hard worker. I'd be shocked if he stays for his full 4 years. Even if he does, do you want to hire a HC based on having a QB for 2 years?

No. I mean, **** no. I'm solely commenting on Kaaya's draft status.

 

[INCaneFan]

Lucky, that's the understatement of the year. BK isn't an NFL QB at this point, may develop into one, but his footwork and mobility is as bad as we've had in a very long time if not ever. He won't sniff the field at the next level if that doesn't improve.

 

[miamimike]

People have been talking about wanting an Xs and Os guy. Well, Chud is considered one of the better offensive minds in the league. Fisch was able to outscheme guys at this level, and Chud is several notches above Fisch. I also think the Norv Turner-style offense fits perfectly with Miami personnel.

But as Lu pointed out, Chud would need an associate head coach to help with the transition to college and to provide guidance in recruiting.

If 4 mil was coming out of my pocket?? He wouldn't even be on the long list. Let alone make the short one. Would he be in a list of your top 15-20 guys D$ if you were writing that check?

 

[gcane101]

Lucky, that's the understatement of the year. BK isn't an NFL QB at this point, may develop into one, but his footwork and mobility is as bad as we've had in a very long time if not ever. He won't sniff the field at the next level if that doesn't improve.

His footwork? I get he needs to work on mobility.

 

[RL52U]

**** Chud. Just because someone was a coordinator once for us doesn't mean he is what we need as a HC.

Look if you want an Offensive coach.

Leach


ATT 387 COMP 282 72.9%(WTF?!?) 2885 yda 7.5 yds/att 26 TDS 4 INTS 155.59 QBR

That's Leach's Walk on QB

Here's Kaaya

Att 229 Comp 140 61.1% 1846 yards 8.1 yds/att 10 TDs 2 Ints 141.51

So however good you think Kaaya is right now in the crap offense we have... Imagine 16 more TDs and 800 more yards.

And Leach is doing it with nobodies at Wazzu. You know where their campus is? Google Pullman Washington. He doesn't have any talent rich bed to walk down the street and get kids from.

 

[DMoney]

People have been talking about wanting an Xs and Os guy. Well, Chud is considered one of the better offensive minds in the league. Fisch was able to outscheme guys at this level, and Chud is several notches above Fisch. I also think the Norv Turner-style offense fits perfectly with Miami personnel.

But as Lu pointed out, Chud would need an associate head coach to help with the transition to college and to provide guidance in recruiting.

If 4 mil was coming out of my pocket?? He wouldn't even be on the long list. Let alone make the short one. Would he be in a list of your top 15-20 guys D$ if you were writing that check?

I'd hope that if they brought in Chud, they would reserve big money for a recruiting-minded assistant head coach like Orgeron or Cristobal.

 

[canedoit]

Lucky, that's the understatement of the year. BK isn't an NFL QB at this point, may develop into one, but his footwork and mobility is as bad as we've had in a very long time if not ever. He won't sniff the field at the next level if that doesn't improve.

His footwork? I get he needs to work on mobility.

He's does well when stepping up in the pocket but when he's forced to move laterally, it's a struggle. He's throwing off the back foot far to often this year, his pocket awareness has been iffy as well. Granted, the Oline is a freakin abomination and him knowing that is clearly affecting him.

Coley's mickey mouse offense does him no favors, as play action anything is a joke, his roll outs are ill conceived and clumsy, a complete abandonment of anything under center, wr route combos and route trees are horrifyingly weak, complete ineptitude with any type of screen game with the RB and disaster with the run game to lift some of the burden.

Several games left....just call it, pray to the football gods they get a quality set of offensive coaches in.

 

[INCaneFan]

That's BK in a nutshell. I think you have him a bit too much credit about stepping up in the pocket, but whatever.

I also could argue that Coley is actually helping him out with the playcalling. Were he under center, with this OL, he would look even worse. When he has been this year, it's been a disaster. The Mickey Mouse dink and dunk offense helps him get rid of it as he has limited time. The flipside to all of it though is his lack of mobility makes what you can do very limited. That is the main reason I say he has no chance at the NFL in his current state. That doesn't mean he hasn't shown flashes, but I'm not sure he'll ever improve his footwork enough for it to matter. That's like dancing or basic coordination and you either have it or you don't.

 

[miamimike]

People have been talking about wanting an Xs and Os guy. Well, Chud is considered one of the better offensive minds in the league. Fisch was able to outscheme guys at this level, and Chud is several notches above Fisch. I also think the Norv Turner-style offense fits perfectly with Miami personnel.

But as Lu pointed out, Chud would need an associate head coach to help with the transition to college and to provide guidance in recruiting.

If 4 mil was coming out of my pocket?? He wouldn't even be on the long list. Let alone make the short one. Would he be in a list of your top 15-20 guys D$ if you were writing that check?

I'd hope that if they brought in Chud, they would reserve big money for a recruiting-minded assistant head coach like Orgeron or Cristobal.

I think it's bad practice to hire an assistant that wants the head job. Again if was paying big money and it got me Chud and Mario I would consider that an epic failure.

 

[theibisrules]

As coach
1994–1995 University of Miami (Graduate assistant)
1996–2000 University of Miami (Tight ends coach)
2001–2003 University of Miami (Offensive coordinator)
2004 Cleveland Browns (Tight ends coach)
2005–2006 San Diego Chargers (Tight ends coach)
2007–2008 Cleveland Browns (Offensive coordinator)
2009–2010 San Diego Chargers (Tight ends coach/Assistant head coach)
2011–2012 Carolina Panthers (Offensive coordinator)
2013 Cleveland Browns (Head coach)
2014–Present Indianapolis Colts (Special Assistant and Associate Head Coach)


Totally forgot about that...he was KD's main man during the run.

 

[PharmCane305]

Chud OC...Schiano DC.

I can't see Chud as a legitimate HC as mentioned in previous comments.

 

[Al Foil]

Do the retards here understand that Chud made Derek Anderson a pro bowler?

He is by far the second best choice behind Butch.

2007 Anderson threw for 3787 yards and 29 TD's.

DEREK freakin ANDERSON!

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Like I've been saying since last year when he was first brought up, if he hadn't played here no one would be talking about him.

That should be your initial barometer when you're thinking of a new HC--Would anyone be mentioning him if he hadn't played/coached here? If the answer is no, then move the fck on.

x1000

Why haven't we heard his name at USCw or USCe?

Plus Chud personality is a wet blanket. He's so great offensively that he can't get an OC job in the NFL, Pagano had to give him a mercy hire or he would be unemployed.

Yep...USCw has Alumni like Jeff Fischer and Jack Del Rio popping up and we have ******* Chud and Chrystal Balls. **** me.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

People have been talking about wanting an Xs and Os guy. Well, Chud is considered one of the better offensive minds in the league. Fisch was able to outscheme guys at this level, and Chud is several notches above Fisch. I also think the Norv Turner-style offense fits perfectly with Miami personnel.

But as Lu pointed out, Chud would need an associate head coach to help with the transition to college and to provide guidance in recruiting.

If 4 mil was coming out of my pocket?? He wouldn't even be on the long list. Let alone make the short one. Would he be in a list of your top 15-20 guys D$ if you were writing that check?

I'd hope that if they brought in Chud, they would reserve big money for a recruiting-minded assistant head coach like Orgeron or Cristobal.

That **** doesn't work either. Your head guy needs to have his **** together. Head coach needs to be the main talent evaluator, recruiting planner and deal closer. Can't have someone else pick up that slack. If that "person" leaves then what? For cohesion and overall program management perspective your Head guy needs to be the total package.