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ItsAUThing.com said:
What should be embarrassing to Miami fans is the fact that Duke's players have more character, work ethic, heart and better attitudes than most of these overrated, soft hacks that dressed out for the 2022 Hurricanes.

News flash, had Mike Elko taken over at Miami, the Canes still would've sucked this year as the roster is full of entitled divas.

Riley Leonard was ready to take over this year, to lead his team and those guys were ready to run through a wall for Elko, as they they're all lesser-talented overachievers, while Miami's roster is littered with overrated-underachievers.

David Cutcliffe turned Duke into a quality little football program—it was simply time for change after 14 seasons. (That said, if Cutcliffe had this year's version of Leonard under center, instead of in a back-up role—the Blue Devils aren't a 3-9 team.)

Miami has been a revolving door for coaches and a dumpster fire for two decades; Cristobal the third UM head coach in five years and sixth in 17 years. (While Cutcliffe took the Duke gig in what was Randy Shannon's second year at UM in 2008.)

Incredible how our fan base refuses to accept just how broken this culture was under Manny Diaz; a little beta, cool uncle who wanted to be liked and accepted by players and not feared and respected—allowing guys to blow off practice and still start on Saturdays, too afraid they would bolt for the portal. The inmates ran the asylum and you're shocked the reacted poorly to Cristobal rolling in with an iron fist and message of working harder than these entitled divas were used to?

The reaches some of you are willing to make due to a distain for Cristobal is pretty incredible. The only thing resembling the old Miami over the past 20 years is the logo on the side of these helmets. This belief and entitlement that the Canes should be more or better than they are—based on what? It's been a garbage-in, garbage-out program since Butch Davis left time (and even then, he out-talented a poorly-run, penny-pinching athletic department.)

Y'all see a fews guys with a modicum of talent making the occasional plays and your emotions trick you into thinking it's the late 80's or early 90's all over again.

Miami has been a middle-of-the-road ACC team since 2004; never winning the conference and only taking the Coastal once—yet you're case-building about 5-7 this year while just glossing over 7-5 last year and a 7-5 average for this program each of the past 16 seasons (118-85 since the 2005 Peach Bowl entering this year.
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Not shocked at all. Where do you guys get this stuff from. I'm shocked the position coaches that weren't good enough for Mario fared far better than ones he replaced them with.
 
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nobeastofburden said:
Not shocked at all. Where do you guys get this stuff from. I'm shocked the position coaches that weren't good enough for Mario fared far better than ones he replaced them with.
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Didn’t they fare better for the exact reasons laid out in the post you responded to? At some point we have to wonder why EVERYONE fails at Miami.
 
Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
Can you get me the same data for duke please? Their football record is below .500 for the history of their program…
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… sure

- Duke has won 2 bowl games since 2016(Miami’s last bowl win)

- Duke has 1, 10-win season in the same 20 year span I used.

- Duke obviously has less guys drafted and also less rated recruits out of HS.

- We have played in the same amount of ACC championship games as Duke.

The thing is, we honestly stack up pretty even with Duke in like the last 10 years but our fanbase seems to think we’re some football powerhouse. It’s not the 90s anymore. That was 30 years ago.

And sure you can say Duke’s staff got those kids winning games this year, but those kids also aren’t on social media after every game threatening to leave the school. Yes, Mario could’ve done a better coaching job but he’s also working with a bunch of entitled players who have never won **** but think they’re the best player in the country. Y’all think “culture” is fake but there’s a reason Kam Kinchens was up there saying he hopes some people leave and only the workers stay, it’s hard to win games with some of these other kids’ mentalities.
 
nobeastofburden said:
So the players at Duke that went 0-8 in the ACC the year prior accepted the new culture but Mario wasn't able to duplicate that here. Some fuzzy math
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You asked why position coaches went somewhere else and did better. The answer was provided for you. Yes, the Duke players accepted the culture. That’s the whole point. We don’t recruit the same players.
 
ItsAUThing.com said:
What should be embarrassing to Miami fans is the fact that Duke's players have more character, work ethic, heart and better attitudes than most of these overrated, soft hacks that dressed out for the 2022 Hurricanes.
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Wait...the same Duke that Miami beat 47 - 10 in 2021?

Mario is paid very well. So, there is no need to lose all sense of logic in making excuses for him.

Attitude Reflects Leadership!
 
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All this just leads back to the same thing. He missed on Gattis, and I think Addae maybe, which is a surprise.
 
WanderFranco said:
I mean, if you have an answer, lay it out for us. Why are we stuck in 20 years of 7-5 seasons with a hundred different position coaches but the same recruiting base?
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Horrible coaches. Terrible evaluators of talent, poor S&C. At some point you stop blaming the kids, culture, etc and you pin the blame on the coaches responsible. The kids don't recruit themselves.
 
nobeastofburden said:
Horrible coaches. Terrible evaluators of talent, poor S&C. At some point you stop blaming the kids, culture, etc and you pin the blame on the coaches responsible. The kids don't recruit themselves.
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Like, 20 years worth of horrible coaches, even though you literally just admitted that some of them went other places and have had immediate success?

Have you ever worked with constants and variables? We have tried coaches with all different kinds of backgrounds and skill sets, but we keep getting the same results with the same overwhelmingly SFLA roster.
 
Mark Richt was a very good coach, changed the culture quickly. A lot of yall like to glance over that as if it didn’t happen. When you say 15-20 years worth of bad coaching, thats what you are doing.

Lets recap

9-4 in year one with a bowl win ending the year ranked

10-3 in year two, defeating two top 15 teams back to back, outright Coastal Champs and had the team ranked #2 going into the last game of the season.

7-6 in year three, a year in which he was diagnosed with Parkinsons and wife cancer.

Stop disrespecting that man as if it was nothing but more of the same as the others
 
WanderFranco said:
Like, 20 years worth of horrible coaches, even though you literally just admitted that some of them went other places and have had immediate success?

Have you ever worked with constants and variables? We have tried coaches with all different kinds of backgrounds and skill sets, but we keep getting the same results with the same overwhelmingly SFLA roster.
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I'm not denying that part of the argument, that is why I don't understand the responses. Quit recruiting kids that won't work. Who recruits the players? We can't blame kids for adults not doing their job. Nobody is denying things are broken either. When Duke takes a roster that went 0-8, replaces the coach and has a better season you say who is the reason? If it was the kids, why weren't they successful last year? If it is the coaches, why weren't ours able to do more with a better returning core under a more seasoned staff? I'm fine with both points, we don't have enough talent and our coaches have been terrible.
 
Honest question: I thought Patterson resigned from TCU last season in a gentlemanly, almost Mark Richt sort of way? Or was that just BS and he was actually told to kick rocks?
 
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nobeastofburden said:
I'm not denying that part of the argument, that is why I don't understand the responses. Quit recruiting kids that won't work. Who recruits the players? We can't blame kids for adults not doing their job. Nobody is denying things are broken either. When Duke takes a roster that went 0-8, replaces the coach and has a better season you say who is the reason? If it was the kids, why weren't they successful last year? If it is the coaches, why weren't ours able to do more with a better returning core under a more seasoned staff? I'm fine with both points, we don't have enough talent and our coaches have been terrible.
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On the 2022 Miami Hurricanes? Not Mario Cristobal (about 75% of them, anyway).
 
Ajcane8 said:
On the 2022 Miami Hurricanes? Not Mario Cristobal (about 75% of them, anyway).
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Yeah agreed, that is the only pass I give him. I have faith in Mario. I have been pretty open I expected this. 3-5 year rebuild. That was my realization early on this year.
 
nobeastofburden said:
Yeah agreed, that is the only pass I give him. I have faith in Mario. I have been pretty open I expected this. 3-5 year rebuild. That was my realization early on this year.
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Yeah. Sucks that the man in charge decided that he had to take this thing down to the studs. That’s always more costly and leads to some headaches. But that was his decision and we’ve gotta live with it.

Ultimately, if in December 2025 we’re 10-2/11-1 and playing in the conference title game, with a chance at a spot in the expanded playoff (as I’d hope everyone here is rooting for - rather than being able to say “I told you so” about Mario), this year is just a blip on the radar.
 
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