Talent? seriously

[Cal jimmy]

Manny Navarro (@Manny_Navarro)
11/30/13, 10:34 AM
#UM coach Al Golden on if he'll take a moment to enjoy 9-3: "We have too much work to just take a deep breath."


Doesn't sound like a man content after the regular season.

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[nycane]

people judge based on how 2 stars didnt progress. yet they pretend like jenkins, crawford, mccord, denzel, tracy, etc havent gotten better. watch the jump aqm and figs make next year.

 

[zone3cane]

Al Golden is running this program to the ground by lowering expectations and calling it "success" but since he says the right things it's ok..... isnt that the motto around here?

Based on where we were under the last coach, our season record, and our recruiting, we ARE having success. If your only definition of success is playing like the 2001 team, then you are going to keep asking for coaches to be fired.

lol yeah Al Golden is the one coach "great" enough to not have to be compared to the early 2000 teams smh Larry Coker and Randy Shannon werent fortunate enough..... and news flash Al Golden has done less w/ more then Randy Shannon, so sad.

regardless no one was expecting this team to be anywhere near 2001, but there were real goals this team was expected to meet but after it became clear that those goals werent going to be met, Golden and his fans all lowered the bar and started coming up w/ one excuse after the other to make this season seem like a "success."

lol it's funny to me

 

[Ned_Zawalski]

Al Golden is running this program to the ground by lowering expectations and calling it "success" but since he says the right things it's ok..... isnt that the motto around here?

Based on where we were under the last coach, our season record, and our recruiting, we ARE having success. If your only definition of success is playing like the 2001 team, then you are going to keep asking for coaches to be fired.

lol yeah Al Golden is the one coach "great" enough to not have to be compared to the early 2000 teams smh Larry Coker and Randy Shannon werent fortunate enough..... and news flash Al Golden has done less w/ more then Randy Shannon, so sad.

regardless no one was expecting this team to be anywhere near 2001, but there were real goals this team was expected to meet but after it became clear that those goals werent going to be met, Golden and his fans all lowered the bar and started coming up w/ one excuse after the other to make this season seem like a "success."

lol it's funny to me

The fact that you compared this season to anything Randy Shannon did is the only funny thing in this thread. But at least you showed your hand so that we know what your real motive is.

 

[Pennmed Canefan]

I agree with one thing said in the thread which is that we really don't know what these guys would do defensively if they had better players. It is plausible that they've set this defense up around the idea that they don't have the players to be really good so they'll emphasize points not yards and try to get by. There are two issues with that. One is that they should've been playing the younger guys if that's the case. If you are aiming toward the future, get guys like Kirby and McCord and Carter out there a significant amount NOW before you're singing the blues next year about how your talent has never played. Secondly, the talent won't be that much greater, so what happens next year? A lot of the guys that will play more are on the roster now (Kirby, McCord, Moore, etc). Are they planning on doing this for the next 3 years while the incoming freshmen gain size (which they desperately desire in their defenders) and experience? If not, why do so this year?

With that said, we can never excuse the complete lack of execution seen this season. I can excuse the philosophy based upon this sort of blind and optimistic hope, but we'll never be able to excuse a season full of guys not knowing where they're supposed to be--talented or not.

 

[Ned_Zawalski]

One is that they should've been playing the younger guys if that's the case.

This has been my biggest thing. If you're going to give up 500 yards and 30 points, do it with young guys.

 

[Notsince1985]

To those saying it's not scheme, I hope you were watching the Duke-UNC game. Duke had a 3rd and 1 from the UNC 5 and they brought in their Tebow QB and tried to run him. UNC brought 11 guys to within 3 yards of the line and stuffed him for a 4 yard loss because they attacked him. Dorito would have had the LB lined up 5-7 yards away from the LOS and he would have not had a defender even near him until he was in the end zone.

 

[nycane]

butch left them more dline talent.

 

[zone3cane]

Al Golden is running this program to the ground by lowering expectations and calling it "success" but since he says the right things it's ok..... isnt that the motto around here?

Based on where we were under the last coach, our season record, and our recruiting, we ARE having success. If your only definition of success is playing like the 2001 team, then you are going to keep asking for coaches to be fired.

lol yeah Al Golden is the one coach "great" enough to not have to be compared to the early 2000 teams smh Larry Coker and Randy Shannon werent fortunate enough..... and news flash Al Golden has done less w/ more then Randy Shannon, so sad.

regardless no one was expecting this team to be anywhere near 2001, but there were real goals this team was expected to meet but after it became clear that those goals werent going to be met, Golden and his fans all lowered the bar and started coming up w/ one excuse after the other to make this season seem like a "success."

lol it's funny to me

The fact that you compared this season to anything Randy Shannon did is the only funny thing in this thread. But at least you showed your hand so that we know what your real motive is.

lmao is that the best u got Golden slurper.... u are just as pathetic as whoever these non-existent Shannon loyalist are that you all continue to make up in ur heads.

I was glad Shannon got fired b/c he had no idea how to be a Head Coach of a BCS football program, and Al Golden is in the same boat.

Miami has had 2 incompetent head coaches running this program to the ground but at least Shannon didnt have the worst defensive philosophy of all time linked to his program.

Al Golden has done less w/ more then Shannon that cannot even be debated....

Shannon went 9-3 in his third year against the 8th ranked SOS

Golden went 9-3 in his third year against the 52nd ranked SOS

Al Golden is the worst Head Coach to ever run this program..... and getting blown out by Duke and VT is the icing on the cake.

Not being able to win the pathetic Coastal when it was given to you on a platter w/ Miami stamped on it, is the most inexcusable WOAT thing that has ever happened to this program.

 

[Ned_Zawalski]

Al Golden is running this program to the ground by lowering expectations and calling it "success" but since he says the right things it's ok..... isnt that the motto around here?

Based on where we were under the last coach, our season record, and our recruiting, we ARE having success. If your only definition of success is playing like the 2001 team, then you are going to keep asking for coaches to be fired.

lol yeah Al Golden is the one coach "great" enough to not have to be compared to the early 2000 teams smh Larry Coker and Randy Shannon werent fortunate enough..... and news flash Al Golden has done less w/ more then Randy Shannon, so sad.

regardless no one was expecting this team to be anywhere near 2001, but there were real goals this team was expected to meet but after it became clear that those goals werent going to be met, Golden and his fans all lowered the bar and started coming up w/ one excuse after the other to make this season seem like a "success."

lol it's funny to me

The fact that you compared this season to anything Randy Shannon did is the only funny thing in this thread. But at least you showed your hand so that we know what your real motive is.

lmao is that the best u got Golden slurper.... u are just as pathetic as whoever these non-existent Shannon loyalist are that you all continue to make up in ur heads.

I was glad Shannon got fired b/c he had no idea how to be a Head Coach of a BCS football program, and Al Golden is in the same boat.

Miami has had 2 incompetent head coaches running this program to the ground but at least Shannon didnt have the worst defensive philosophy of all time linked to his program.

Al Golden has done less w/ more then Shannon that cannot even be debated....

Shannon went 9-3 in his third year against the 8th ranked SOS

Golden went 9-3 in his third year against the 52nd ranked SOS

Al Golden is the worst Head Coach to ever run this program..... and getting blown out by Duke and VT is the icy on the cake.

Not being able to win the pathetic Coastal when it was given to you on a platter w/ Miami stamped on it, is the most inexcusable WOAT thing that has ever happened to this program.

So now I'm a "Golden slurper". Welcome to the middle school table. It's people like you that give us the reputation of having the trashiest fan base in America.

Funny how the only thing you Shannonites can write about is his third year. That's it. Third year.

 

[nycane]

shannon also inherited cokers players plus a top recruiting class. he didnt have to recruit with ncaa sanctions. give it a rest. you sound like a dope. In that 9-3 season, shannon got spanked by va tech in a rain storm and we barely beat oklahoma who lost bradford. we gave up a ton of yards to clemson and got embarrassed by unc. then players acted like girls when playing wisconsin in the cold. only thing better was we beat fsu. I think you guys need to realize now that duke is a "real" program.

 

[Ned_Zawalski]

then players acted like girls when playing wisconsin in the cold.

In Florida, no less.

 

[nycane]

lets not forget, when our players were scared to walk on the field against ohio state the next year. shannon inherited a 5 star qb in kyle wright, a 4 star in marve and a 3/4 star in harris. golden was left pretty much morris who was a 3 star.

also, let not forget golden is repairing every relationship in south florida that shannon ruined. his brillant recruiting was going to oregon for kelvin cain and asante cleveland consensus 2 stars and refusing to take Devonte Freeman and Louis Nix. he didnt even have 10 players on board when he was fired. he ruined jacory. had his players looking malnutrious. blew redshirts. oh yea, lets bring back shannon.

 

[Fzac75]

Al Golden is running this program to the ground by lowering expectations and calling it "success" but since he says the right things it's ok..... isnt that the motto around here?

Based on where we were under the last coach, our season record, and our recruiting, we ARE having success. If your only definition of success is playing like the 2001 team, then you are going to keep asking for coaches to be fired.

lol yeah Al Golden is the one coach "great" enough to not have to be compared to the early 2000 teams smh Larry Coker and Randy Shannon werent fortunate enough..... and news flash Al Golden has done less w/ more then Randy Shannon, so sad.

regardless no one was expecting this team to be anywhere near 2001, but there were real goals this team was expected to meet but after it became clear that those goals werent going to be met, Golden and his fans all lowered the bar and started coming up w/ one excuse after the other to make this season seem like a "success."

lol it's funny to me

The fact that you compared this season to anything Randy Shannon did is the only funny thing in this thread. But at least you showed your hand so that we know what your real motive is.

lmao is that the best u got Golden slurper.... u are just as pathetic as whoever these non-existent Shannon loyalist are that you all continue to make up in ur heads.

I was glad Shannon got fired b/c he had no idea how to be a Head Coach of a BCS football program, and Al Golden is in the same boat.

Miami has had 2 incompetent head coaches running this program to the ground but at least Shannon didnt have the worst defensive philosophy of all time linked to his program.

Al Golden has done less w/ more then Shannon that cannot even be debated....






Once again proving that everybody has short term memory and chooses what they want to believe.

Shannon was bashed for his simplistic cover two defense!

I remember vividly, and that is because knowing your history is vital for one to gain perspective and be rational, Shannon defense getting bashed because our "Old School Defense of the 80's" was antiquated and not "sophisticated" enough to keep up with today's game. It's laughable how now you come back with this.

And on another note, the lack of respect you guys give to teams is laughable, forget about the names of the teams, an give them their due, Duke is a good team, are try great or elite? No but they are good, it doesn't matter about the history of the program all that matters is how they are this year. Learn to be a more well rounded knowledgeable fan of the game and for teams their due that year.

And finally, I, unlike most here, thanks to having certain access, can tell you that in no way is their satisfaction at Greentree, their is disappointment, they fell one game shirt of their expectation this year.

But again, before this year we were 5-7, 6-6, 7-5 with horrible recruiting in 2009, 2010 and a patchwork last minute class in 2011, a horrific defense in 2012 returning, a mediocre quarterback who regressed this year, so naturally logic dictates that this team goes 11-1 and potential BCS bowl game, of course how could we not expect that? After all, throughout the course of all sports history this is the common next step, silly Golden slurpers

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

Manny Navarro (@Manny_Navarro)
11/30/13, 10:34 AM
#UM coach Al Golden on if he'll take a moment to enjoy 9-3: "We have too much work to just take a deep breath."


Doesn't sound like a man content after the regular season.

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In what world should a Miami coach enjoy or be content with a 9-3 season? Especially one with a weak schedule like ours? Stupid question by Manny.

 

[Prince_Boll]

Great complain about people attacking NoD and start threads defending him by saying your not defending him. Thats exactly what you are doing. Saban would bamboozle Duke VT and WF etc with Bethune Cookman players. gtfoh with that bull. Everyone concede we are not matching the top dogs. But scrub as 2 win teams like UVA 500 yards. Pitt 106th rank offense ....500 yards. That would never happen under any competent DC. They would find a way to make these players look respectable.

I don't want to be that guy... but Bethune Cookman is actually **** good this year... I think there'd be a bunch of coaches who'd beat good teams with them. And he didn't defend NoD because he said THEY ARE WAY TOO CAUTIOUS. And that they shouldn't have let the loyalty get in the way of their ability to put their best 11 on the field

 

[WhatTheHell]

Based on where we were under the last coach, our season record, and our recruiting, we ARE having success. If your only definition of success is playing like the 2001 team, then you are going to keep asking for coaches to be fired.

lol yeah Al Golden is the one coach "great" enough to not have to be compared to the early 2000 teams smh Larry Coker and Randy Shannon werent fortunate enough..... and news flash Al Golden has done less w/ more then Randy Shannon, so sad.

regardless no one was expecting this team to be anywhere near 2001, but there were real goals this team was expected to meet but after it became clear that those goals werent going to be met, Golden and his fans all lowered the bar and started coming up w/ one excuse after the other to make this season seem like a "success."

lol it's funny to me

The fact that you compared this season to anything Randy Shannon did is the only funny thing in this thread. But at least you showed your hand so that we know what your real motive is.

lmao is that the best u got Golden slurper.... u are just as pathetic as whoever these non-existent Shannon loyalist are that you all continue to make up in ur heads.

I was glad Shannon got fired b/c he had no idea how to be a Head Coach of a BCS football program, and Al Golden is in the same boat.

Miami has had 2 incompetent head coaches running this program to the ground but at least Shannon didnt have the worst defensive philosophy of all time linked to his program.

Al Golden has done less w/ more then Shannon that cannot even be debated....

Shannon went 9-3 in his third year against the 8th ranked SOS

Golden went 9-3 in his third year against the 52nd ranked SOS

Al Golden is the worst Head Coach to ever run this program..... and getting blown out by Duke and VT is the icy on the cake.

Not being able to win the pathetic Coastal when it was given to you on a platter w/ Miami stamped on it, is the most inexcusable WOAT thing that has ever happened to this program.

So now I'm a "Golden slurper". Welcome to the middle school table. It's people like you that give us the reputation of having the trashiest fan base in America.

Funny how the only thing you Shannonites can write about is his third year. That's it. Third year.

Sorry they can't comment on Golden's 4th season results yet, they're busy building a ******* time machine so they can go see what happens.

It's all we have to compare.

Neither coach is the answer here.

 

[Ned_Zawalski]

Sorry they can't comment on Golden's 4th season results yet, they're busy building a ****ing time machine so they can go see what happens.

It's all we have to compare.

Neither coach is the answer here.

Of course we can compare. Golden went 9-3 in his third year after dealing with Shannon's sht recruiting. Randy Shannon went 7-5 in his fourth year after being on staff for ten years and having his own personnel in place.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Talent?

So how many more years before we have the talent of Duke?

Next question: After we get talent as good as Duke, how many years after that do we get talent as good as Virginia Tech?

The way this talent thing is going - according to some here, it's the problem - by my calculations, it's going to be about twelve years before we can hang with FSU.

Talent my ***.

 

[poncho0091]

shannon also inherited cokers players plus a top recruiting class. he didnt have to recruit with ncaa sanctions. give it a rest. you sound like a dope. In that 9-3 season, shannon got spanked by va tech in a rain storm and we barely beat oklahoma who lost bradford. we gave up a ton of yards to clemson and got embarrassed by unc. then players acted like girls when playing wisconsin in the cold. only thing better was we beat fsu. I think you guys need to realize now that duke is a "real" program.

I normally don't defend zone because he can be over the top and even ridiculous at times, but you are saying Randy had all this talent and then say that all the talented guys we had when Golden got here are just JAGS. You are extremely biased and don't understand the idea that things work both ways.

Yes, Randy did a poor job of player development and recruiting in the later years, but he started with far less than Golden had and was not even given 4 years to bring in his guys. Add to that, in his 4 years, plus the years when Coker was coach, how many different coordinators did we have on both sides? Kyle Wright and Kirby, had 3 different OC's. Harris had 2. Morris had 3. We also had 3 different DC's under Shannon.

If Shannon was not even given 4 full years, then why does Golden get 4 full years? Sure NCAA hurt us, but we still brought in good classes. Not national title good, but good enough that we should not be giving up 500 yards every game.

Add to the fact that Shannon played a much more difficult schedule while he was here, but by year 3 of both coaches we have the same record even though our schedule was soft as baby **** this year.

Shannon's problem was not defense as much as it was our offense was horrible with him. Because of that he got fired and it was deserved, because he was in over his head. If Shannon got fired because we had a garbage offense, why is Golden not allowed to be criticized for this garbage defense and scheme?

I am not saying fire Golden, and Shannon deserved to be fired, but you are overly biased and need to take a step back and look objectively.