Tailgating by students no longer supported by UM

[Cookie917]

Yeah this is not going to solve the issue at all... Kids are still going to tailgate and get hammered. I was at UM during the transition from the OB to Joe Robbie and drove to every game. I had a rather large truck and whoever wanted to pile in, got in. It seems to me that they just took away the "reserved lot" what is stopping the frats or anyone else from showing up right when gates open up, planting your flag, and reserving a spot to tailgate? That's what we used to do, am I missing something?

 

[acento]

thats just stupid.
secondly why the **** should all students be expected to "sacrifice" and take a **** uber to the game?

You sound like one of those people that just hates fraternities for no real reason other than they have fun.

Listen son, I was in an off-campus fraternity that played by no ones rules so don’t bring me that ****.

Sacrifices are part of life and come with responsibility. Learn that word. It’s gonna be a big part of your life when you get into the real world.

We, as adults - another word you’ll learn - make sacrifices all the time. Every day.

When we go to a game we choose to either a) drive and not drink excessively. That’s one form of sacrifice. Follow so far? Hope so.

Or

B) take an Uber and drink as much as you want. That will cost money. Another form of sacrifice.

What I don’t expect is for someone to drive my *** around for free just so I can get hammered. Understand?

So there’s your first lesson in how to be an adult. Let me know if you have any questions.

shut the **** up dude. talking about sacrifices and what being an adult is really about as if you're the ultimate moral authority on how college students should be acting.

THIS IS ******* COLLEGE.

**** man. You might be one of the only people I've ever heard who has taken a **** Uber to the game. You know why? cause that's ******* lame and ridiculously expensive, and just plain stupid.

Honestly this is whats going to happen: tailgaters are going to start complaining about student behavior a **** ton. The Frat buses actually won't really stop, they'll just continue to drop off students at the Walmart or whatever store that is by the stadium. the most important thing is this will fracture tailgates and spread them out. So instead of having 20 separate big ones in one designated section that is heavily patrolled by police, there will be 40 all across the stadium that the police essentially have no way of controlling (this means more students driving to set up different tailgates). Then those tailgates that are all over are going to be next to families with kids who are just trying to have fun and not deal with drunk students.

But tailgating and drinking are a part of student life. Not you, not the school, no one is going to change that. And expecting students to not drink and want to do crazy **** is ridiculous. That's what you do in college. They're literally just taking it out of a semi-controlled environment and pushing them to tailgate all over. Whats next, taking away the student section in the actual game?

Lol. Carry on boy. Study hard and eat your veggies. You’ll be just fine out there.

I've already graduated.

Glad to see your a condescending faygot tho who thinks his opinions on what students should/shouldn't be doing is the only thing that matters.

See! Look how much you’ve learned in so little time. Nice job son. There may be hope for you after all.

 

[Gatorhater]

Okay, I'm way off the track. I was thinking the school should be providing the booze. We want loud nasty drunk crowd to make the VT hicks feel at home. At least that is how I remember THEIR home game crowds.

We are one of the few Universities that play in a building where you can get hard liquor and beer from the time the gates open until last call.

The school does not give a **** if you get hammered, where you get hammered or how your transport your hammered *** around SO LONG AS they are not liable for it.

This is all that this is about. Maybe something happened already and they are dealing with the consequences of it, we'll never know. But this is simply the school not wanting to have to sponsor lots for students and have them kill someone or die because they're 17-20 year olds drinking in the heat for 10-12 hours for a football game and then potentially get in a vehicle and drive back to campus.

So they don't pay for the booze?

 

[GenericYesMan]

Yeah this is not going to solve the issue at all... Kids are still going to tailgate and get hammered. I was at UM during the transition from the OB to Joe Robbie and drove to every game. I had a rather large truck and whoever wanted to pile in, got in. It seems to me that they just took away the "reserved lot" what is stopping the frats or anyone else from showing up right when gates open up, planting your flag, and reserving a spot to tailgate? That's what we used to do, am I missing something?

Yeah, those spots are now not officially UM spots. Which means these kids can do whatever they want and if they kill someone the university can't be sued.

That's all that this is. Doesn't change much of anything.

 

[g8rh8rMD]

I've already graduated.

Glad to see your a condescending faygot tho who thinks his opinions on what students should/shouldn't be doing is the only thing that matters.

All you've done here is lower yourself to your opponent's level. No need for name calling and condescension by either of you. Just my opinion/two cents. Feel free to flame away at me if anyone wishes. Enjoy the game brothers!

Here's to hoping a more sensible solution can be achieved than for the U to simply say we're taking our parking lot and going home.

 

[Cajuncane]

Never understood the necessity to get blackout drunk and Lord knows I’ve done A LOT of drinking in my time even though I don’t anymore.

Why spend the money to get a buzz and then drink so much that you pass out,miss whatever you were partying for then feel miserable for 2 days afterwards.Never could figure it out.

But the U has to look out for itself and yes kids are going to drink and obsessively but the school can’t take a chance of getting sued if one of them kills someone passing out while heading home.Giving them a PARTICULAR area to party could possibly be construed as being like a bar that lets a patron out the door to drive home.Been several cases where the bar has been held responsible.A court could deem that the school should have had supervision in a “ designated” spot they have given the kids to drink and get drunk.

I understand what the school is doing and why they are doing it but in the end it comes down to being a responsible drunk.If your going to drink learn how to do it.

 

[Canedude08]

These kids are lightweights, point blank period. I've been at more than my fair share of tailgates, through undergrad, grad and law school, and I've witnessed first hand how the **** show has gotten worse over time. Kids now are beyond wasted, idiots are sick HOURS before kickoff. Here's an IDEA: KNOW HOW TO DRINK. The school has a legal responsibility to cover their ***. I understand WHY it had to be this way, I just think there could have been a more sensible solution. Then again, when one deals with the dumbass(Socially inept), entitled idiots that are at The U now, I can see why people like Dr. Whitely went for the easiest solution.

 

[Canedude08]

Has nothing to do with entitlement and everything to do with covering the university if one of these kids "finds their own way to and from the stadium" and plows into a family in a mini van drunk off their *** after parking/tailgating in a student/university reserved parking lot.

But yeah, **** on millennials for some odd reason.

Uber. Or should the school pay for that too?

Thats ****ing stupid. Do you konw how much an Uber would cost to the stadium? Its a ****ing 40min bus ride.

Yeah I know how much a ****ing Uber costs to the stadium. Know how? Cause I live near campus and have taken an Uber when I want to go to a game and have a few drinks. Its called sacrifice **** face.

thats just stupid.
secondly why the **** should all students be expected to "sacrifice" and take a **** uber to the game?

You sound like one of those people that just hates fraternities for no real reason other than they have fun.

Nothing screams fun like hanging around a bunch of gameless douchebags that have to rely on getting underage chicks ****faced wasted in order to pull some action. Let's cut the nonsense: The frats at UMiami are lame, because we are in MIAMI. This isn't Tuscaloosa, where you have to have letters in order to get laid. The frats were garbage when I was in undergrad, they were still garbage when stayed for grad school, and they were steaming horse**** when I attended law school.

You can have a ton of fun at a tailgate, you can get some drinks in, play some beer pong, and maybe throw in some flip cup for the ladies. That said, the way the **** show has degenerated over the last four years is unacceptable. It's not funny anymore, it's becoming pathetic, and a lawsuit waiting to happen.

 

[Canedude08]

Take the school provided transportation and STFU you bunch of entitled puzzies.

The school has a legal responsibility to itself and can’t coddle babies that don’t know how to handle their booze.

Students can still get to games the same way they always have.

Students can drink, if they choose to do so, like they always have. They just can’t do it anymore in a University sanctioned special area set aside just for them. Makes sense from a liability standpoint. It’s a grownup world with grownup rules, kiddies. Nobody wants to assume liability for your fūcked up and irresponsible behavior, nor should they have to.

Get your sorry asses to the game.

Don’t drink and drive.

Drink responsibly if you can’t handle your liquor or don’t drink at all.

Welcome to the real world, motherfūckers, where actions have consequences.

I get your general sentiment about responsibility but it seems like the school is eschewing theirs here- not even to the students but to the image/liability concerns they initially sought to protect.

Wasn't the idea of herding all the students together in separate lots designed TO keep tabs on them? What I bet happened is that they weren't satisfied with the police acting as drinking age monitors and now have decided just to wash their hands of the student lot idea. Think that's going to work out better in the liability/image column as kids just scatter across various lots and their binge drinking blends in even better?

Like I said, the school just needs to accept reality while also doing the best to cover their own asses. This seems way too shortsighted and hamfisted.

Pretty sure all this was run through University counsel and this is what they came up with.

If you have a better ideas, let the school know.

But sorry, not feeling it for entitled brats not getting their safe space to get blind drunk in. Which is what they’re are asking for.

the university counsel is bs and definitely doesn't reflect the way probably 75% of the campus feels.

As a UM grad and current attorney, I highly doubt this has anything to do with the university's counsel. Actually, it could lead to a negligence suit if someone drives drunk and kills someone on the way to the game or something.

This is all about the school wanting a certain image.

The university has always tried to make it harder to be a normal college student. I guess that's part of the price you pay for going to UM instead of a large public school like UF, but it seems like it gets more ridiculous each year. College students drink, that's life. You don't have to promote it but you have to realize you're not going to stop it.

Even if you don't care about UM students, hopefully you realize this will hurt student attendance and therefore be had for Miami football.

As an attorney(and fellow 'Cane), you should know that this isn't about Miami cramping down, and being "The Man", but this is about the school doing a rational, sensible thing and covering their *** both from a legal and PR perspective. The school bends over backwards to help these dumbasses have fun, you can EASILY take the bus to the stadium, hang with your friends that drove(If you don't have a DD rotation, you are stupid as **** anyway), and still not put others at risk. We're talking about kids who for the most part drive cars that are far nicer than their professors, they could afford to take an uber, or do something else entirely. I'm not going to excuse this crap, because I was a student once upon a time, and I managed to figure this **** out. These kids should be able to do the same.

 

[BoroCane83]

Oh no. The limp wristed low testosterone students I see in the stands wont be able to binge on Zima in the parking lot in their designated safe spaces.

 

[Calinative]

I get your general sentiment about responsibility but it seems like the school is eschewing theirs here- not even to the students but to the image/liability concerns they initially sought to protect.

Wasn't the idea of herding all the students together in separate lots designed TO keep tabs on them? What I bet happened is that they weren't satisfied with the police acting as drinking age monitors and now have decided just to wash their hands of the student lot idea. Think that's going to work out better in the liability/image column as kids just scatter across various lots and their binge drinking blends in even better?

Like I said, the school just needs to accept reality while also doing the best to cover their own asses. This seems way too shortsighted and hamfisted.

Pretty sure all this was run through University counsel and this is what they came up with.

If you have a better ideas, let the school know.

But sorry, not feeling it for entitled brats not getting their safe space to get blind drunk in. Which is what they’re are asking for.

the university counsel is bs and definitely doesn't reflect the way probably 75% of the campus feels.

As a UM grad and current attorney, I highly doubt this has anything to do with the university's counsel. Actually, it could lead to a negligence suit if someone drives drunk and kills someone on the way to the game or something.

This is all about the school wanting a certain image.

The university has always tried to make it harder to be a normal college student. I guess that's part of the price you pay for going to UM instead of a large public school like UF, but it seems like it gets more ridiculous each year. College students drink, that's life. You don't have to promote it but you have to realize you're not going to stop it.

Even if you don't care about UM students, hopefully you realize this will hurt student attendance and therefore be had for Miami football.

As an attorney(and fellow 'Cane), you should know that this isn't about Miami cramping down, and being "The Man", but this is about the school doing a rational, sensible thing and covering their *** both from a legal and PR perspective. The school bends over backwards to help these dumbasses have fun, you can EASILY take the bus to the stadium, hang with your friends that drove(If you don't have a DD rotation, you are stupid as **** anyway), and still not put others at risk. We're talking about kids who for the most part drive cars that are far nicer than their professors, they could afford to take an uber, or do something else entirely. I'm not going to excuse this crap, because I was a student once upon a time, and I managed to figure this **** out. These kids should be able to do the same.

"the school bends over backwards to help these dumbasses have fun".

Bruh no they don't last year they banned music with explicit lyrics or that they deemed "too loud" whatever the **** that means, and DJ setups (loudspeakers)

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Pretty sure all this was run through University counsel and this is what they came up with.

If you have a better ideas, let the school know.

But sorry, not feeling it for entitled brats not getting their safe space to get blind drunk in. Which is what they’re are asking for.

the university counsel is bs and definitely doesn't reflect the way probably 75% of the campus feels.

As a UM grad and current attorney, I highly doubt this has anything to do with the university's counsel. Actually, it could lead to a negligence suit if someone drives drunk and kills someone on the way to the game or something.

This is all about the school wanting a certain image.

The university has always tried to make it harder to be a normal college student. I guess that's part of the price you pay for going to UM instead of a large public school like UF, but it seems like it gets more ridiculous each year. College students drink, that's life. You don't have to promote it but you have to realize you're not going to stop it.

Even if you don't care about UM students, hopefully you realize this will hurt student attendance and therefore be had for Miami football.

As an attorney(and fellow 'Cane), you should know that this isn't about Miami cramping down, and being "The Man", but this is about the school doing a rational, sensible thing and covering their *** both from a legal and PR perspective. The school bends over backwards to help these dumbasses have fun, you can EASILY take the bus to the stadium, hang with your friends that drove(If you don't have a DD rotation, you are stupid as **** anyway), and still not put others at risk. We're talking about kids who for the most part drive cars that are far nicer than their professors, they could afford to take an uber, or do something else entirely. I'm not going to excuse this crap, because I was a student once upon a time, and I managed to figure this **** out. These kids should be able to do the same.

"the school bends over backwards to help these dumbasses have fun".

Bruh no they don't last year they banned music with explicit lyrics or that they deemed "too loud" whatever the **** that means, and DJ setups (loudspeakers)

Honest to gawd, you sound like a whiny teenage chick.

You’ve got some deadly serious maturity issues.

You say you graduated? Good luck adapting to the real world.

Like another poster said, I graduated from UM as well (OB era) and we had this shlt figured out. Didn’t need permission or a safe space from the school to do what we were going to do. We also knew we were responsible for our actions and accepted that.

Grow the fūck up and figure shlt out on your own.

 

[Calinative]

the university counsel is bs and definitely doesn't reflect the way probably 75% of the campus feels.

As a UM grad and current attorney, I highly doubt this has anything to do with the university's counsel. Actually, it could lead to a negligence suit if someone drives drunk and kills someone on the way to the game or something.

This is all about the school wanting a certain image.

The university has always tried to make it harder to be a normal college student. I guess that's part of the price you pay for going to UM instead of a large public school like UF, but it seems like it gets more ridiculous each year. College students drink, that's life. You don't have to promote it but you have to realize you're not going to stop it.

Even if you don't care about UM students, hopefully you realize this will hurt student attendance and therefore be had for Miami football.

As an attorney(and fellow 'Cane), you should know that this isn't about Miami cramping down, and being "The Man", but this is about the school doing a rational, sensible thing and covering their *** both from a legal and PR perspective. The school bends over backwards to help these dumbasses have fun, you can EASILY take the bus to the stadium, hang with your friends that drove(If you don't have a DD rotation, you are stupid as **** anyway), and still not put others at risk. We're talking about kids who for the most part drive cars that are far nicer than their professors, they could afford to take an uber, or do something else entirely. I'm not going to excuse this crap, because I was a student once upon a time, and I managed to figure this **** out. These kids should be able to do the same.

"the school bends over backwards to help these dumbasses have fun".

Bruh no they don't last year they banned music with explicit lyrics or that they deemed "too loud" whatever the **** that means, and DJ setups (loudspeakers)

Honest to gawd, you sound like a whiny teenage chick.

You’ve got some deadly serious maturity issues.

You say you graduated? Good luck adapting to the real world.

Like another poster said, I graduated from UM as well (OB era) and we had this shlt figured out. Didn’t need permission or a safe space from the school to do what we were going to do. We also knew we were responsible for our actions and accepted that.

Grow the fūck up and figure shlt out on your own.

I don't have maturity issues. I never got in trouble at tailgates.
but acting like this rule change is good for the students or the rest of the tailgaters is wrong
secondly acting like the school goes out of its way to provide a fun atmosphere is again, wrong.

 

[acento]

As a UM grad and current attorney, I highly doubt this has anything to do with the university's counsel. Actually, it could lead to a negligence suit if someone drives drunk and kills someone on the way to the game or something.

This is all about the school wanting a certain image.

The university has always tried to make it harder to be a normal college student. I guess that's part of the price you pay for going to UM instead of a large public school like UF, but it seems like it gets more ridiculous each year. College students drink, that's life. You don't have to promote it but you have to realize you're not going to stop it.

Even if you don't care about UM students, hopefully you realize this will hurt student attendance and therefore be had for Miami football.

As an attorney(and fellow 'Cane), you should know that this isn't about Miami cramping down, and being "The Man", but this is about the school doing a rational, sensible thing and covering their *** both from a legal and PR perspective. The school bends over backwards to help these dumbasses have fun, you can EASILY take the bus to the stadium, hang with your friends that drove(If you don't have a DD rotation, you are stupid as **** anyway), and still not put others at risk. We're talking about kids who for the most part drive cars that are far nicer than their professors, they could afford to take an uber, or do something else entirely. I'm not going to excuse this crap, because I was a student once upon a time, and I managed to figure this **** out. These kids should be able to do the same.

"the school bends over backwards to help these dumbasses have fun".

Bruh no they don't last year they banned music with explicit lyrics or that they deemed "too loud" whatever the **** that means, and DJ setups (loudspeakers)

Honest to gawd, you sound like a whiny teenage chick.

You’ve got some deadly serious maturity issues.

You say you graduated? Good luck adapting to the real world.

Like another poster said, I graduated from UM as well (OB era) and we had this shlt figured out. Didn’t need permission or a safe space from the school to do what we were going to do. We also knew we were responsible for our actions and accepted that.

Grow the fūck up and figure shlt out on your own.

I don't have maturity issues. I never got in trouble at tailgates.
but acting like this rule change is good for the students or the rest of the tailgaters is wrong
secondly acting like the school goes out of its way to provide a fun atmosphere is again, wrong.

Would you listen to yourself? That’s the point man. The school doesn’t need to “go out of its way to provide a fun atmosphere”.

Maybe the students can do what everyone else does, figure things out for themselves.

 

[iLoveTDs]

Yeah this is not going to solve the issue at all... Kids are still going to tailgate and get hammered. I was at UM during the transition from the OB to Joe Robbie and drove to every game. I had a rather large truck and whoever wanted to pile in, got in. It seems to me that they just took away the "reserved lot" what is stopping the frats or anyone else from showing up right when gates open up, planting your flag, and reserving a spot to tailgate? That's what we used to do, am I missing something?

The University doesn't care if it solves "a problem." They are simply covering their *** (as they should).

 

[DTP]

Who's going to dance with fire extinguishers in the crowd now?

 

[UMJer026]

[MENTION=413]acento[/MENTION] really handing it to the snowflake generation.

 

[GenericYesMan]

Nothing screams fun like hanging around a bunch of gameless douchebags that have to rely on getting underage chicks ****faced wasted in order to pull some action. Let's cut the nonsense: The frats at UMiami are lame, because we are in MIAMI. This isn't Tuscaloosa, where you have to have letters in order to get laid. The frats were garbage when I was in undergrad, they were still garbage when stayed for grad school, and they were steaming horse**** when I attended law school.

You can have a ton of fun at a tailgate, you can get some drinks in, play some beer pong, and maybe throw in some flip cup for the ladies. That said, the way the **** show has degenerated over the last four years is unacceptable. It's not funny anymore, it's becoming pathetic, and a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Bingo. Having an off campus stadium really amps the binge drinking to a next level. I've been to a lot of schools and a lot of different tailgates and the Hard Rock Stadium scene is more of a rampage drunk fest than schools that have the on campus stadium with the slow burn.

Now with Miami back in the national picture and having prime time games the school does not want to be responsible for it anymore because they've kneecaped their students by making them have a 40+ minute ride back to campus. Can't just walk back up your block to your dorm like most other schools.

 

[Loose Cannon]

thats just stupid.
secondly why the **** should all students be expected to "sacrifice" and take a **** uber to the game?

You sound like one of those people that just hates fraternities for no real reason other than they have fun.

Listen son, I was in an off-campus fraternity that played by no ones rules so don’t bring me that ****.

Sacrifices are part of life and come with responsibility. Learn that word. It’s gonna be a big part of your life when you get into the real world.

We, as adults - another word you’ll learn - make sacrifices all the time. Every day.

When we go to a game we choose to either a) drive and not drink excessively. That’s one form of sacrifice. Follow so far? Hope so.

Or

B) take an Uber and drink as much as you want. That will cost money. Another form of sacrifice.

What I don’t expect is for someone to drive my *** around for free just so I can get hammered. Understand?

So there’s your first lesson in how to be an adult. Let me know if you have any questions.

shut the **** up dude. talking about sacrifices and what being an adult is really about as if you're the ultimate moral authority on how college students should be acting.

THIS IS ****ING COLLEGE.

**** man. You might be one of the only people I've ever heard who has taken a **** Uber to the game. You know why? cause that's ****ing lame and ridiculously expensive, and just plain stupid.

Honestly this is whats going to happen: tailgaters are going to start complaining about student behavior a **** ton. The Frat buses actually won't really stop, they'll just continue to drop off students at the Walmart or whatever store that is by the stadium. the most important thing is this will fracture tailgates and spread them out. So instead of having 20 separate big ones in one designated section that is heavily patrolled by police, there will be 40 all across the stadium that the police essentially have no way of controlling (this means more students driving to set up different tailgates). Then those tailgates that are all over are going to be next to families with kids who are just trying to have fun and not deal with drunk students.

But tailgating and drinking are a part of student life. Not you, not the school, no one is going to change that. And expecting students to not drink and want to do crazy **** is ridiculous. That's what you do in college. They're literally just taking it out of a semi-controlled environment and pushing them to tailgate all over. Whats next, taking away the student section in the actual game?

Lol. Carry on boy. Study hard and eat your veggies. You’ll be just fine out there.

I've already graduated.

Glad to see your a condescending faygot tho who thinks his opinions on what students should/shouldn't be doing is the only thing that matters.

It's not his opinion. Civil society has this thing called a "Code of Laws." These are not guidelines. These are enforceable rules that we've all agreed to live by in order to make our civilization a better place. For instance, if I would like to attend a sporting event and not have vomit on my car when it's all over, we might restrict alcohol consumption to only people old enough and mature enough to make rational decisions. Underage drinking is illegal. Drunk driving is illegal. This policy by the university is not them ignoring that people will do these things anyway, it's them deciding that they cannot sanction an event that people are abusing.

This is not the University deciding that if they stop providing a safe space for students to get blackout drunk, they'll stop getting blackout drunk. This is the University deciding that they are no longer going to sanction this event because underage people are abusing the privilege in order to to get no-consequences blackout drunk. It's the University saying that if you're going to do these things, you're going to be responsible; not us.

 

[DTP]

Bingo. Having an off campus stadium really amps the binge drinking to a next level. I've been to a lot of schools and a lot of different tailgates and the Hard Rock Stadium scene is more of a rampage drunk fest than schools that have the on campus stadium with the slow burn.

Now with Miami back in the national picture and having prime time games the school does not want to be responsible for it anymore because they've kneecaped their students by making them have a 40+ minute ride back to campus. Can't just walk back up your block to your dorm like most other schools.

Not necessarily. I've talked to friends who still live in Orlando and they've said that since UCF opened their on-campus stadium, taligating has exploded. Now, tens of thousands of kids show up to tailgate (drink) and never even go to the game.

Now, I'm not saying it doesn't get rowdy at Hard Rock because in certain sections it's crazy but that's mostly the fans, not the college kids.