Swasey

[brock]

It ain't no secret why pro Miami football players comeback and train with swasey when they can train with anyone in the country...

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

Clean house from top to bottom. Everyone from the AD to the towel boy need to be changed. Swasey has made a career off of being the S&C coach during the 2001 championship run. Everyone wanted to know what exactly we were doing to be that much faster and that much more physical than everyone else. He hasn't been able to replicate that some 15 years later. He was the right guy at the right place and has been rewarded long enough for that. Time to move on, no matter how much it may upset former players

All of this.

 

[Canething]

I don't care who the the strength coach is, he's just an extension of the head coach. Just give me speed over size.

 

[gfer1988]

maybe al golden micromanages the S&C program too.

 

[Supercane85]

You guys do realize that we have 5 S&C coaches right?

We are also the most physical imposing team on field each week and it is not even close sometimes.

We lose because of our schemes and coaching and not because we are some weak team. If you want a speed team then you must recruit fast players.

 

[Supercane85]

I've always maintained that Tommy Moffit was the key figure behind our S&C resurgence in the late 90's. I believe Moffit is a disciple of the "Hatch System"of training. I'm certainly no expert in these matters but to my untrained eye the Hatch system was incredibly effective and IMO what we have been missing for well over a decade.

I also find it very odd that we have not made any attempt to bring that system back. I agree with the OP. Our strength numbers may have improved in the weight room but it is not translating to the field. Golden's counter intuitive read and react scheme has much to do this but remember, we were having this same discussion during the Coker and Shannon regimes. Swassey needs to go too.

Tommy Moffit was only at Miami a year and a half. You giving him way to much credit

 

[Supercane85]

Been saying it for a while, Darren Krein.

Miami Dolphins

Based on the logic of the thread that S&C coach is responsible for wins and not coaching. The Dolphins have not won jack and with the most dominating DT in the Game Suh they still get the ball shoved down their throat.

So you guy blame Swasey but not the Dolphins S&C coach?

 

[TomAce]

I don't know why all those NFL players, many non Canes, continue to train with Swasey. I guess they like getting pushed around too.

Do you think that if Swasey relocated to Montana NFL players would follow him? Or maybe they would train with someone else close to South Beach? Do you also think that Swasey designs their programs? Or a high paid team strength coach does?

 

[Supercane85]

I don't know why all those NFL players, many non Canes, continue to train with Swasey. I guess they like getting pushed around too.

Do you think that if Swasey relocated to Montana NFL players would follow him? Or maybe they would train with someone else close to South Beach?

These players are rich. They could come to South Beach anytime they wanted. They come for Swasey because they feel he gets them right for the season.

 

[ucrew02]

I'm not a fan of people getting into S&C simply because they were former athletes (Swasey) but it doesn't have the effect some fans want to think it does. Cincinnati didn't eat up the interior line because they squat more, they ate them up because they got low and simply got underneath our guards who were in two point stances, standing pretty **** tall. How do you quantify a 500 lb squat vs a 600 lb squat in terms of on-field performance? I've coached guys who weren't worth a lick in the weight room but on the field they were savages. The game skill will always be more important than lifting ___ in a certain exercise. Obviously, given the choice, we take the kid who can ball and is also a weight room freak but you have to understand which is more important to playing football.

All that being said, I'd like to see a brand new staff, including S&C but our issues our not on Swasey, at the end of the day. Recruit better players, prepare those players and then be a good X and O guy on game day. If you do those things, the same Swasey looks great. That's how the business works.

 

[FullyERicht]

I'm not a fan of people getting into S&C simply because they were former athletes (Swasey) but it doesn't have the effect some fans want to think it does. Cincinnati didn't eat up the interior line because they squat more, they ate them up because they got low and simply got underneath our guards who were in two point stances, standing pretty **** tall. How do you quantify a 500 lb squat vs a 600 lb squat in terms of on-field performance? I've coached guys who weren't worth a lick in the weight room but on the field they were savages. The game skill will always be more important than lifting ___ in a certain exercise. Obviously, given the choice, we take the kid who can ball and is also a weight room freak but you have to understand which is more important to playing football.

All that being said, I'd like to see a brand new staff, including S&C but our issues our not on Swasey, at the end of the day. Recruit better players, prepare those players and then be a good X and O guy on game day. If you do those things, the same Swasey looks great. That's how the business works.

Miami has recruited better players. Stop excusing a guy who was part of THREE failed regimes.

Why am I not surprised that Brock and Supercane are once again on the wrong side of the issue?

 

[ucrew02]

I'm not excusing anybody but you don't have any grasp of collegiate football if you think the reason we are losing is bc of the strength and conditioning coach. Nothing I said in my post excused or was even complimentary of Swasey.

We clamor about recruiting misses all the time so why can't I include recruit better players as PART of the recipe to get better? Come on, now.

 

[Grisha.Otrepyev]

I'm not a fan of people getting into S&C simply because they were former athletes (Swasey) but it doesn't have the effect some fans want to think it does. Cincinnati didn't eat up the interior line because they squat more, they ate them up because they got low and simply got underneath our guards who were in two point stances, standing pretty **** tall. How do you quantify a 500 lb squat vs a 600 lb squat in terms of on-field performance? I've coached guys who weren't worth a lick in the weight room but on the field they were savages. The game skill will always be more important than lifting ___ in a certain exercise. Obviously, given the choice, we take the kid who can ball and is also a weight room freak but you have to understand which is more important to playing football.

All that being said, I'd like to see a brand new staff, including S&C but our issues our not on Swasey, at the end of the day. Recruit better players, prepare those players and then be a good X and O guy on game day. If you do those things, the same Swasey looks great. That's how the business works.

Hatch system guys don't care how much you bench or squat.

It's about pylometrics and executing Olympic lifts with proper form. It's about creating explosion. squats and bench presses aren't an explosion exercise, and Squatting 500 pounds doesn't mean you are explosive.

If S&C doesn't matter, then why are hatch guys winning all the national championships? Coincidence?

 

[ucrew02]

I'm not a fan of people getting into S&C simply because they were former athletes (Swasey) but it doesn't have the effect some fans want to think it does. Cincinnati didn't eat up the interior line because they squat more, they ate them up because they got low and simply got underneath our guards who were in two point stances, standing pretty **** tall. How do you quantify a 500 lb squat vs a 600 lb squat in terms of on-field performance? I've coached guys who weren't worth a lick in the weight room but on the field they were savages. The game skill will always be more important than lifting ___ in a certain exercise. Obviously, given the choice, we take the kid who can ball and is also a weight room freak but you have to understand which is more important to playing football.

All that being said, I'd like to see a brand new staff, including S&C but our issues our not on Swasey, at the end of the day. Recruit better players, prepare those players and then be a good X and O guy on game day. If you do those things, the same Swasey looks great. That's how the business works.

Hatch system guys don't care how much you bench or squat.

It's about pylometrics and executing Olympic lifts with proper form. It's about creating explosion. squats and bench presses aren't an explosion exercise, and Squatting 500 pounds doesn't mean you are explosive.

If S&C doesn't matter, then why are hatch guys winning all the national championships? Coincidence?

Because Hatch guys coach for the most talented teams in the country. The speed and rate of force development for weightlifting is well above that of bench pressing and squatting and yet is still far below that of sprinting. They are great exercises, no doubt, but to attribute that kind of success to an exercise is just overvaluing the exercise. If this were the case, actual weightlifters would be the best football players, but they're not. I would bet the vast majority of NFL players that have coaches avoid weightlifting movements (and their pull variants) because they are stressful on the shoulders and they're in the NFL bc they're good at football, not weightlifting.

And while a lot of these guys may stem from the Gayle Hatch coaching tree, I bet they all have different programming ideas due to different athletes, facilities and scheduling. The "Hatch system" is nothing more than a program that prioritizes weightlifting movements and squatting. It's not even remotely close to unique in the collegiate setting. That's not to take away from Gayle Hatch who is a great coach but many programs have similar ideologies whether they stem from Hatch or otherwise.

Lastly, I'm not saying S&C doesn't matter; ****, it's my career. I'm saying that some place too much emphasis on it's effect on wins and losses in team sports where you cannot even begin to quantify it's effect on performance. It's not T&F where we can make direct correlations to training and competition results. There are entirely too many variables in team sports. However, in my experience, the vast majority of the time, the team with better talent and coaching will win whether they are the physically superior team or not.

 

[nycane]

For some this may be beating a dead horse but...

This guy needs to finally be shown the door after the season. I'm tired of seeing us get pushed around. Short yardage has been a massive problem for 10 years. We constantly look gassed aswell. And for those who don't get into all the S&C stuff - just turn on ESPN and watch any other team and then watch UM. Physically, we are no where close. We look like a JV team minus a few kids (AQM, Yearby, Carter). The players are constantly lumbering around with zero hints of fast twitch / short area burst. Something has to change in that department.

And for the crowd "but all the NFL guys come back to train with him"- They come back bc of the campus proximity to south beach. It has nothing to do with Swasey. His credentials are servely lacking and if you don't believe me look him up on UMs website. He was a hold over after Tommy Moffit left in 2000. We have a dude with a socialogy degree from Baylor running our strength department.

One more thing- besides Shalala and various other administration bumps... What is the common tred between Coker, Shannon, and Golden (And no I'm talking about poor coaching)???

That common tread I'm referring to is non other then Andreu Swasey! How this pathetic excuse of a SC coach has lasted 3 different regimes is beyond me and quite ridiculous when you truly think about it.

This man needs to go along with the bffs from Jersey.

i told my friend this. he said "u kidding? swasey is great at his job. he's doing what golden wants."

 

[FullyERicht]

I'm not excusing anybody but you don't have any grasp of collegiate football if you think the reason we are losing is bc of the strength and conditioning coach. Nothing I said in my post excused or was even complimentary of Swasey.

We clamor about recruiting misses all the time so why can't I include recruit better players as PART of the recipe to get better? Come on, now.

So you think a guy who has been apart of three failed regimes deserves to stay on b/c he's friends with some former players?

 

[FullyERicht]

SMF again this clown ucrew is implying we don't have talent.

What part of the 2nd most NFL players do you not understand?????

 

[ucrew02]

I'm not excusing anybody but you don't have any grasp of collegiate football if you think the reason we are losing is bc of the strength and conditioning coach. Nothing I said in my post excused or was even complimentary of Swasey.

We clamor about recruiting misses all the time so why can't I include recruit better players as PART of the recipe to get better? Come on, now.

So you think a guy who has been apart of three failed regimes deserves to stay on b/c he's friends with some former players?

Not sure if troll or can't read.

 

[MIATL]

Easiest answer to this question is to find out who trained Chickilo for the combine.

If it was Swasey, it means the dude is legit at his job. If Chickilo went someplace else, that might imply there are some issues with Swasey.

Anybody know who trained Chick for the combine?

 

[ucrew02]

Easiest answer to this question is to find out who trained Chickilo for the combine.

If it was Swasey, it means the dude is legit at his job. If Chickilo went someplace else, that might imply there are some issues with Swasey.

Anybody know who trained Chick for the combine?

I would imagine he went elsewhere. Over all, most guys pay to train at a private facility because they get more individual and more complete care. Most private facilities offer meals, massage, multiple time a day training, different recovery protocols that maybe aren't feasible at less fortunate schools etc. When you train on campus, you have to understand that the strength coaches have to make their teams the priority and their time and resources are finite.