Sustained Winning

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Everyone on this board can tell you the 10-win seasons we've had since 2003. But something Gabby & Lake said the other day on the ITU podcast made me think about 2- and 3-season spans. So, I looked at the numbers.

Everyone knows that 2003 was the last of a 4-year stretch of 10+ wins per season. Combining 2003 and 2004, Coach Coker's teams won 19 games. UM has not won 19 games over 2 seasons since 2004. Coker won 18 between 2004 and 2005. The only other time since 2005 when we've had 2 years with 18 wins was 2016-2017, when Coach Richt won 8 games and then 10. The 2017-2018 span saw 17 wins. The only other 2-year span with 17 wins has been the last 2 years, 2023-2024 with Coach Cristobal. In the transition from Coker to Shannon (2006-2007), the team won 11 games, reflecting the woes @DMoney has been writing about in his recruiting retrospectives.

It gets really sad if we look at 3-year spans. In the first 3 years of the Coker era (2001-2003), the Canes won 34 games. That's dominant. If you look at 2002-2004, Miami won 31 games. We obviously have not had a 3-year span of 30 wins since 2004. Aside from the 2003-2005 span (28 wins), the best 3-year span we've had was the Golden-to-Richt transition, 2015-2017, when we won 26 games. In other words, we've not averaged 9 wins over 3 years since 2005. In Richt's 3 years as head coach (2016-2018), UM won 25 games. Over Coker's last 3 years (2004-2006), he won 24 games, which was unacceptable at the time. But Richt was the only coach whose teams averaged 8 wins per season since Coker was fired.

Here's a hope shot (I hope). Say we go under 9.5 and win 9 games this year. That would give us a 2-year span with 19 wins and a 3-year run with 26. That would be slightly better than the Richt years and, we hope, would show a trajectory back to sustained winning.

Table, if this is easier to follow:
Best 2-year spans since 2004:
18 wins, twice (04-05 under Coker, 16-17 under Richt)
17 wins, twice (17-18 under Richt, 23-24 under Cristobal)
16 wins, 4 times (most recently 2015-16 (Golden to Richt))

Best 3-year spans since 2004:
26 wins (2015 under Golden, '16-'17 under Richt)
25 wins (2016-18 under Richt)
24 wins (2004-06 under Coker)
 
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Everyone on this board can tell you the 10-win seasons we've had since 2003. But something Gabby & Lake said the other day on the ITU podcast made me think about 2- and 3-season spans. So, I looked at the numbers.

Everyone knows that 2003 was the last of a 4-year stretch of 10+ wins per season. Combining 2003 and 2004, Coach Coker's teams won 19 games. UM has not won 19 games over 2 seasons since 2004. Coker won 18 between 2004 and 2005. The only other time since 2005 when we've had 2 years with 18 wins was 2016-2017, when Coach Richt won 8 games and then 10. The 2017-2018 span saw 17 wins. The only other 2-year span with 17 wins has been the last 2 years, 2023-2024 with Coach Cristobal. In the transition from Coker to Shannon (2006-2007), the team won 11 games, reflecting the woes @DMoney has been writing about in his recruiting retrospectives.

It gets really sad if we look at 3-year spans. In the first 3 years of the Coker era (2001-2003), the Canes won 34 games. That's dominant. If you look at 2002-2004, Miami won 31 games. We obviously have not had a 3-year span of 30 wins since 2004. Aside from the 2003-2005 span (28 wins), the best 3-year span we've had was the Golden-to-Richt transition, 2015-2017, when we won 26 games. In other words, we've not averaged 9 wins over 3 years since 2005. In Richt's 3 years as head coach (2016-2018), UM won 25 games. Over Coker's last 3 years (2004-2006), he won 24 games, which was unacceptable at the time. But Richt was the only coach whose teams averaged 8 wins per season since Coker was fired.

Here's a hope shot (I hope). Say we go under 9.5 and win 9 games this year. That would give us a 2-year span with 19 wins and a 3-year run with 26. That would be slightly better than the Richt years and, we hope, would show a trajectory back to sustained winning.

Table, if this is easier to follow:
Best 2-year spans since 2004:
18 wins, twice (04-05 under Coker, 16-17 under Richt)
17 wins, twice (17-18 under Richt, 23-24 under Cristobal)
16 wins, 4 times (most recently 2015-16 (Golden to Richt))

Best 3-year spans since 2004:
26 wins (2015 under Golden, '16-'17 under Richt)
25 wins (2016-18 under Richt)
24 wins (2004-06 under Coker)
As mentioned previously...

""...Since 2001, tbe ugly truth is our Canes are a ~7.6 W team on average. Roster in, roster out. Corches in, Corches out. That isn't an tweak on the nose or poke in tbe chest to anyone "who knows ball", but rather its a validation for those of us who live in reality and actually understand data.

Since 2020 one would ask? ~7.4 W (JFC!).

Since 2015? ~7.7 W (this is depressing).

How about since Mario? ~7.3 dub uuuus

Last two seasons? ~8.5 Ws (trending up)"

In order to meet your 3-year 9 W avg for Mario, our Canes must win at least 10 regular season tilts in 2025. Very possible, but would be a big departure from even recent baseline until last season is proven to not be an aberration, because that is what it is presently.

The mean is a mean ***** and she is in place for a reason...easy to meet, hard to beat, and even easier to fall below.

Once upon a time, a 9 dub season was considered failure at Hecht...good times.

Data are what data are. 🤷‍♂️

Think about this...if our Canes go 10+ reg season in 2025, would it feel like a 9 W avg program over last 3 years to CIS porsters?
 
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As mentioned previously...

""...Since 2001, tbe ugly truth is our Canes are a ~7.6 W team on average. Roster in, roster out. Corches in, Corches out. That isn't an tweak on the nose or poke in tbe chest to anyone "who knows ball", but rather its a validation for those of us who live in reality and actually understand data.

Since 2020 one would ask? ~7.4 W (JFC!).

Since 2015? ~7.7 W (this is depressing).

How about since Mario? ~7.3 dub uuuus

Last two seasons? ~8.5 Ws (trending up)"

In order to meet your 3-year 9 W avg for Mario, our Canes must win at least 10 regular season tilts in 2025. Very possible, but would be a big departure from even recent baseline until last season is proven to not be an aberration.

The mean is a mean ***** and she is in place for a reason...easy to meet, hard to beat, and even easier to fall below.

Once upon a time, a 9 dub season was considered failure at Hecht...good times.

Data are what data are. 🤷‍♂️
Oh so now it’s all about Data?

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Data doesn't tell the entire story. What coach has wanted to remain at the U for longer than a 3/4 year stint? Gotta give coach MC some grace, while he may not be the best coach, dude cares a **** ton about the program and seems determined to work his *** off to get it back to a winning program. After a couple of decades of meaningless football, with a surprise season or two sprinkled in, I think the trajectory of the program is much better than it's been in quite a while, total wins or not. Preseason ranked 19 last season, preseason rank 10 this season, let's keep the Canes in the top ten conversation year in and year out MC. I think he's building that. Go Canes
 
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Great breakdown—really puts things in perspective. Sustained success has been missing for decades, but Cristobal building toward a 26-win span feels like real progress.
 
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Data doesn't tell the entire story. What coach has wanted to remain at the U for longer than a 3/4 year stint? Gotta give coach MC some grace, while he may not be the best coach, dude cares a **** ton about the program and seems determined to work his *** off to get it back to a winning program. After a couple of decades of meaningless football, with a surprise season or two sprinkled in, I think the trajectory of the program is much better than it's been in quite a while, total wins or not. Preseason ranked 19 last season, preseason rank 10 this season, let's keep the Canes in the top ten conversation year in and year out MC. I think he's building that. Go Canes
Every coach wanted to stay here for longer than 3/4 years lol they just sucked besides richt, so who cares how much he cares

He knows it’s about results, there shouldn’t be grave given because aww he cares lol
 
I mean it’s common sense. Good teams are consistently good. Having a single 10 win season sandwiched between a bunch of 7 win seasons doesn’t make you good. It means you had A good season.

The real elite level programs, the ones who make the playoffs every year and pull top 5 recruiting classes are consistent. They win EVERY year. Not just one good season and then falling back to average the next season.
 
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