Stop blaming the players for going! Even 7th rounders can make big bucks

NFL teams pay their players two ways. The first is a signing bonus. That's money given up front when you sign your contract. That's the only guaranteed money the player gets. The rest of the contract is paid on a weekly basis during the regular season. You get one check for every week of the regular season. It's already been noted that over 40% of 7th round picks never make the opening day roster so those guys only collect a signing bonus and nothing else. Signing bonuses for 7th rounders are around $65,000. A decent chunk of change for one year(especially for a college kid with no money) but hardly a life altering sum. Considering that's more than likely the end of their football career though, it seems disappointing.

Every situation is different and of course, for some kids, it's probably in their best interests to get out of school as fast as possible but for many, leaving early is a death knell. The number of early entrants who go undrafted goes up every year. There's always the risk of injury when staying but it's very rare for a highly draft rated kid to come back and get injured and lose a ton of money. It happens but not nearly as often as people want to believe.
Which is exactly why their college education is so important. The NFL needs to step up to the plate and insure these guys can finish their educations. Most of the time that will mean just one more year of college, so it's not like a mind blowing amount of money for an NFL team to spend. It is, however, a **** of a lot of money for a guy that gets undrafted, then cut.

Seeing as how the NFL uses colleges as their minor league system, they should do what's best for these young men and help them finish college.
 
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A sixth or seventh round draft pick has less than 25% chance of making the main roster and getting the quoted contract figure. So, in reality, guys who leave early are willing to take $125,000 bonus now over staying for another year and probably moving up and thereby increasing the percentage that stick as well as the bonus figure. That and they get a valuable college degree. Ask Ice Harris how important that is......................
 
Which is exactly why their college education is so important. The NFL needs to step up to the plate and insure these guys can finish their educations. Most of the time that will mean just one more year of college, so it's not like a mind blowing amount of money for an NFL team to spend. It is, however, a **** of a lot of money for a guy that gets undrafted, then cut.

Seeing as how the NFL uses colleges as their minor league system, they should do what's best for these young men and help them finish college.


Your idea is going to come out of the player's cut. So the players union either needs to set this up, or if they want the NFL to run it take less money to go to it.

Second, how do you decide who gets this? Is it people who played for 3+ years? People who got drafted? Anybody who applied for the draft? Tell you right now, if its anybody who applies for the draft I am about to apply and then start on a PhD.
 
I agree

As I said before I'm NOT arguing the merits of someone going or staying......only saying that to someone not well off even if he falls to the 7th round, declaring for the draft can be an enticing choice.

I'm aware of ALL the fallacies, such as everyone"thinks" that they'll play forever, making the roster etc. etc.

But I'm just talking reality, just say to any underprivileged player you can get approximately at the very least $100,000 bonus and a $500,000 salary ( $$ 7th rounders get ) now if you're drafted and their eyes will open wide.

Less than 1/3 of 7th round picks even make NFL rosters. And even if they do the average career is 2.5 years. You left that part out.

So you got your $100k and no job, and since they don't have their degrees, very limited career prospects.

Anyone who leaves without a degree to become a late rd/undrafted player is making a poor choice, given the odds.
 
Your idea is going to come out of the player's cut. So the players union either needs to set this up, or if they want the NFL to run it take less money to go to it.

Second, how do you decide who gets this? Is it people who played for 3+ years? People who got drafted? Anybody who applied for the draft? Tell you right now, if its anybody who applies for the draft I am about to apply and then start on a PhD.
I'd like to see a player able to sign with an agent and actually test the waters, THEN decide if he wants to come back or not. Declare for the draft, then see how it plays out. If you're drafted, you go pro. If undrafted, you have the option to return to school to finish your education.

Baby steps. There are smarter people out there than me that can hammer out the details. I agree, the player's union will have to get involved so the best interest of the players is protected.
 
the problem is our players are being told they will be getting 2nd 3rd 4th rd money and then end up with 7th rd money or being a free agent.
 
I'd like to see a player able to sign with an agent and actually test the waters, THEN decide if he wants to come back or not. Declare for the draft, then see how it plays out. If you're drafted, you go pro. If undrafted, you have the option to return to school to finish your education.

Baby steps. There are smarter people out there than me that can hammer out the details. I agree, the player's union will have to get involved so the best interest of the players is protected.


The players union can't even get it together to make a retirement or provide healthcare to former players. It is brought up often by the previous generation of players only to not be cared about by the current.

There are a lot of things in life that once you do something you can't undo it. Then there are consequences. At what point do we say you were given a great chance already, went against many peoples good advice, and messed up thus now how to pay for it?
 
I try not to judge another man until walking a mile in his shoes. However, it does raise a few eyebrows to see underprivileged kids somehow turning down these same opportunities when they attend Clemson and Alabama. What say you, Beau?
 
The players union can't even get it together to make a retirement or provide healthcare to former players. It is brought up often by the previous generation of players only to not be cared about by the current.

There are a lot of things in life that once you do something you can't undo it. Then there are consequences. At what point do we say you were given a great chance already, went against many peoples good advice, and messed up thus now how to pay for it?
I don't disagree with that. My problem is that these young men, most of them, have been used at every level to pad someone else's pockets. Even at most universities they are not educated, but passed through simply to keep them on the field. Why wouldn't they make ill advised decisions? I don't think finishing their college education should be sacrificed by one ill advised decision. That's just me.
 
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I agree

As I said before I'm NOT arguing the merits of someone going or staying......only saying that to someone not well off even if he falls to the 7th round, declaring for the draft can be an enticing choice.

I'm aware of ALL the fallacies, such as everyone"thinks" that they'll play forever, making the roster etc. etc.

But I'm just talking reality, just say to any underprivileged player you can get approximately at the very least $100,000 bonus and a $500,000 salary ( $$ 7th rounders get ) now if you're drafted and their eyes will open wide.
Nailed it.
 
I don't disagree with that. My problem is that these young men, most of them, have been used at every level to pad someone else's pockets. Even at most universities they are not educated, but passed through simply to keep them on the field. Why wouldn't they make ill advised decisions? I don't think finishing their college education should be sacrificed by one ill advised decision. That's just me.
Thomas I agree, stay in school, get a degree first and foremost, it will last the rest of your life. You mentioned something know one else did, you touched on it, and I have always thought this. When a player is still playing he gets the special benefits that comes with that, school is SO MUCH easier, they pass you through to keep you eligible, u basically get away with murder on your grades, you get an A instead of a D or even an F, BECAUSE YOUR ON THE FOOTBALL TEAM, you come out early and bomb, go back to school to finish your degree, only now your name is not in red in teachers roll book. That means you actually have to do the work, and it has to be right, WTF, you come all the way through school without having to do jack, never even written your own paper, just signed your name to it, now your on the tail end of your degree and we know how hard those last classes are, most can't do it, no way no how. Take advantage of having your name in red while you can, it won't be like that when you come back, this exact thing happened to Tex, only I didn't go to the league, once the doctors declared I was done, they would not sign off on playing again, ever, I left school and went to work, came back the next semester to finish degree after getting a taste of the real world, that real world sucked. Thank god I had enough snap to bare down and get it done, would hate to have to live in that real world I mentioned. Now for the money thing, we know most of these guys are dirt poor, we know how enticing a little money is to them, everyone knows this, including the agents, who are crooked ****'s to the core. My point is you have been dirt poor your whole life, another year of status quo is not gonna hurt you, matter of fact its gonna make you that much richer, baring injury. These guys obviously are not getting the right counceling, not many times has a player come out early, drafted late, and had a good long career, odds are stacked against you big time. First round, sure, second round, maybe, third round, no freaking way, too many reasons to go back to school at that point. What blows my mind more than this is the guy who has made more than 10 million bucks and goes broke, yea I know momma needs a house but damm man, and it even happens to guys that are smart, like Bernie, dude is very smart, maybe common sense I don't know but that's just insane. NFL has mandatory class for rook's coming in to teach them the dangers of money, they tell them exactly what's gonna happen and they let it happen anyway, unreal, I don't feel sorry for them at all, hey, you let 5 mill slip through your fingers, so sorry, maybe should have engaged your brain instead of letting someone else tend your business. You take someone that has never had any money and give them a million dollars and just sit back and watch, amazing. OTOH I read where Gronk has never touched one cent of his NFL money, lived 100% off his endorsements etc, wonder if he will be lookin for work after football lol wonder what kind of interest his money is generating, and its just going right back in, he should give advise speeches to the young guns when he's done playing. I just imagine he lives pretty high on the hog (Texas lingo) as it is without getting into his ball money. All this investment stuff the guys bite on is a bunch of crap, they don't need to invest in jack, just live like a normal person making 200k and bank the rest, never have a worry the rest of your life.Sorry so long winded guys but you hate to see it happen, especially to one of ours
 
Take out a **** insurance policy and have your underground agent handler or whatever pay for it. at least 10 years of sweat sacrifice injuries and if you can’t wait one more year to improve your draft status then you’re getting bad advice. The chances of you gettin hurt in one year of playing football as opposed to gettin injured during your first contract are huge. Hence the reason the average nfl career is 3 and a half years.
 
Check the average career of a 7th round draft pick. Most never make it through the first season.

$2.4 million is more than most people make in their lifetime. It's not the kind of money that keeps you from having to work, but in a few years it's more than most will see in their lifetime. Obviously people blow this money assuming there is more to come, but it's still not the dumbest thing to jump for 7th round money. Say you come back and improve from 7th to 4th round, what have you really gained? I don't mean to downplay several 100k, but it's not a huge bump unless you're sure you'll make it into the first day.
 
Less than 1/3 of 7th round picks even make NFL rosters. And even if they do the average career is 2.5 years. You left that part out.

So you got your $100k and no job, and since they don't have their degrees, very limited career prospects.

Anyone who leaves without a degree to become a late rd/undrafted player is making a poor choice, given the odds.


TRichtS please read my previous responses, I'm not advocating anyone try to become a 7th Rounder or leave early for the NFL.

I'm just saying its an attractive sum of $$.

Everyone thinks they're going to go in the top 3 rounds ( we all know its a pipe dream) BUT using the facts you provided, IF that player falls to the 7th round and is lucky enough to stick around for 2.5 years ...they get that $100K plus 2.5 X $500,000 thats or $1,250,000.

All that I'm saying is the possibility of getting even that 7th round money is VERY attractive to any player in need who is considering whether or not to leave. Being drafted even higher makes it a non-issue altogether. Those are facts that can't be denied.

Everyone seems to be arguing about whether its a good decision or not or about the great chance of failure. Fine I'm aware and somewhat agree but that's a separate topic.
 
I try not to judge another man until walking a mile in his shoes. However, it does raise a few eyebrows to see underprivileged kids somehow turning down these same opportunities when they attend Clemson and Alabama. What say you, Beau?

Hey A!

I would venture to guess that those players at those schools "might" be being given more insight into the $value of where they would be drafted this year VERSUS the possibilities and $value of improving their position in the next draft than others who considered declaring including ours.

If you show someone both possibilities they'd make wiser decisions..... BUT if your family simply needs the $$ NOW then you do what you must do.

And A, I must also say considering how those two schools have acted in the past, I wouldn't rule out the possibilities of those players getting golden handshakes from boosters to keep them afloat and stay in school....IF I had to bet that's what I believe is happening ( golden handshakes) there although I hope its the former.
 
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If you can improve your draft status, then you stay. If you go a poor NFL evaluation, then you stay. The first contract is all about the guaranteed money. After that it is all about performance and timing. We will see where our guys end up, but if RJ and Kendrick don't go earlier than the 3rd round then it was a mistake in my opinion, especially RJ.
 
$2.4 million is more than most people make in their lifetime. It's not the kind of money that keeps you from having to work, but in a few years it's more than most will see in their lifetime. Obviously people blow this money assuming there is more to come, but it's still not the dumbest thing to jump for 7th round money. Say you come back and improve from 7th to 4th round, what have you really gained? I don't mean to downplay several 100k, but it's not a huge bump unless you're sure you'll make it into the first day.
The list of 7th round picks who have made 2.4 million is very short. The list of 7th round picks who never cracked 6 figures is miles long.
 
Also, i bring this point up a lot on these types of threads but its worth repeating. NFL GMs are far less likely to cut a 3rd or 4th rounder who isn't panning out than a 6th or 7th rounder. In other words, you're far more likely to remain employed through your entire contract if you're drafted earlier. Late picks are throw aways.
 
The list of 7th round picks who have made 2.4 million is very short. The list of 7th round picks who never cracked 6 figures is miles long.

I was just using the number off the chart somebody posted.

Look, from where I'm sitting it makes sense to stay in school, but I'm not a 21 year old who's never had any money. I'm also not a 21 year old who's been told over and over that he's a great talent and he's going to set the league on fire. And I'm not a 21 year old super-gung-ho type A guy who lives to prove doubters wrong.

Just saying that there are a lot of reasons other than believing shady agents that these kids might choose to leave early.
 
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