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kgranger17 said:
You have a point if we're talking about the New York numbers. I just don't believe them.

When you measure your point against the Florida numbers and death counts, it doesn't make sense. 1200 deaths in Florida with 20 million people.

I don't want to deny what you're saying because that's valid, but only against a certain data set.
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Covid was able to reach figi in 3 months after it started in Wuhan. This was going on for a several weeks in nyc and the ER docs that I know say it was as if someone turned on a switch and they got swamped. The pics and Th e video are Manhattan on a daily basis. It’s a different city than most to say the least.
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Edit: I dare you to touch one of those railings. Lol
 
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pacusmc said:
Covid was able to reach figi in 3 months after it started in Wuhan. This was going on for a several weeks in nyc and the ER docs that I know say it was as if someone turned on a switch and they got swamped. The pics and Th e video are Manhattan on a daily basis. It’s a different city than most to say the least.
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Couple of things to observe:

Florida Publix's and beaches were stacked. Almost the same.
21% of all new yorkers had the antibody like two or three weeks ago. This leads us to believe it's hyper contagious or it got here before we knew.

Florida is more of a retirement destination. We are the retirement kingdom and we SHOULD have more deaths just from this, IMO.

The ER doctor you mentioned said it's like someone turned on a light. Well, the people are speaking out about how horrible Covid patients are being treated in New York. Multiple doctors and nurses have even termed it as murder for how careless the protocols have been. Then you observe the cash incentive of a patient dying with Covid. The hospitals normal cash flow is depleted. No profit. No other services are being tended to other than Covid, so how do the hospitals get cash? Let a maaf die.

I'm glad to see Florida only has 1/20 of the deaths New York has. Cuomo is up there yelling on national TV: "It's the federal governments jobs to give us cash"... You'd think New York could withstand a rainy day. It's like it buckled in month. Ok i'm just bytching.
 
kgranger17 said:
Couple of things to observe:

Florida Publix's and beaches were stacked. Almost the same.
21% of all new yorkers had the antibody like two or three weeks ago. This leads us to believe it's hyper contagious or it got here before we knew.

Florida is more of a retirement destination. We are the retirement kingdom and we SHOULD have more deaths just from this, IMO.

The ER doctor you mentioned said it's like someone turned on a light. Well, the people are speaking out about how horrible Covid patients are being treated in New York. Multiple doctors and nurses have even termed it as murder for how careless the protocols have been. Then you observe the cash incentive of a patient dying with Covid. The hospitals normal cash flow is depleted. No profit. No other services are being tended to other than Covid, so how do the hospitals get cash? Let a maaf die.

I'm glad to see Florida only has 1/20 of the deaths New York has. Cuomo is up there yelling on national TV: "It's the federal governments jobs to give us cash"... You'd think New York could withstand a rainy day. It's like it buckled in month. Ok i'm just bytching.
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In our hospital over 60percent of the covid patients are nursing home patients and if I’m not mistaken so are most of the deaths in south Florida. Sofla would be nyc right now if we would’ve let spring break and all the music festivals happen. If you’ve ever been to nyc in the middle of winter you know that there is very little daylight. You have a virus being spread around in gloomy cold and crowded underground conditions without the general public or the medical community knowing what’s going on. We locked down with sunlight and heat with nowhere near the population density of nyc.
We have rapid covid testing for patients that are being admitted and it takes about an hour to get the results and most nyc hospitals have them as well. Even without the test. There are certain things that separate a sick covid patient compared to the other pneumonias. There is also a very specific pattern that is seen on ct and ultrasound that is very specific for covid and not the other pneumonias so you do t even need the test to know what it is. We live in a country full of experts and “influencers” and people believe everything they say. So just because Elon musk goes on Joe Rogan and says it’s like this and like that it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s true.
As far as patients being treated badly I can’t comment cause I wasn’t there. But what I can tell you is that Nyc healthcare workers are burnt out like a mfer and it sure as **** isnt because Cuomo inflates some numbers. it’s because a sht load of people died and are dying and even Cuomo admits that those numbers are decreasing. If it was just some sht you could write in a death certificate then There would be no need to say the numbers are decreasing cause you could just attach covid to anyone who dies correct? What you guys fail to realize is that the medical examiners have to verify the cause of death which is why the death numbers lag behind what they actually are.
The bodies in those refrigerated trailers have not been counted as covid deaths until the ME goes over the medical record to confirm it.
 
CFLCane said:
A. The first drop was fear and then fueled by long squeezes. The second drop will be fundamentals. The fundamentals while obviously ****** to literally anyone with eyes or ears haven't had a full quarter to materialize. Companies have suspended future guidance to avoid having to show their hand. The FED won't be able to print money for eternity. Then we'll have to fight through a commercial real estate recession, municipal bankruptcies, and a MOUNTAIN of new added health care debt/reform. Oh ya and likely close to 30 trillion federal debt.

B.

What i'm buying now
China tech etf
China consumer etf
Steel (via Nucor)
Gold, lots of it. Since march 2019 and likely for the next 1-2 years.
Silver
Platinum
Rare Earth
Metal Streamers (mining royalty companies, mainly precious)
Barrick, Newmont, Wheaton (larger precious metal mining firms)

What i will be buying after the fundamentals dip
Copper
Semiconductors, ALL of them. But especially Nvidia, AMD, Intel, Qcom, Bcom, Lam, Skyworks, Taiwan Semi.
Robotics ETF. I haven't done my sector research here for individuals.
Biotech
Aerospace defense MFG's
The streamers. Netflix, Disney etc.
Citibank, BOA, JP Morgan

Also no better time to take advantage of vehicles at 0% 84months and a house refinance or real estate purchase.

This picture pretty much sums up market sentiment imo.

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Public Security Loans FTW.
 
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pacusmc said:
In our hospital over 60percent of the covid patients are nursing home patients and if I’m not mistaken so are most of the deaths in south Florida. Sofla would be nyc right now if we would’ve let spring break and all the music festivals happen. If you’ve ever been to nyc in the middle of winter you know that there is very little daylight. You have a virus being spread around in gloomy cold and crowded underground conditions without the general public or the medical community knowing what’s going on. We locked down with sunlight and heat with nowhere near the population density of nyc.
We have rapid covid testing for patients that are being admitted and it takes about an hour to get the results and most nyc hospitals have them as well. Even without the test. There are certain things that separate a sick covid patient compared to the other pneumonias. There is also a very specific pattern that is seen on ct and ultrasound that is very specific for covid and not the other pneumonias so you do t even need the test to know what it is. We live in a country full of experts and “influencers” and people believe everything they say. So just because Elon musk goes on Joe Rogan and says it’s like this and like that it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s true.
As far as patients being treated badly I can’t comment cause I wasn’t there. But what I can tell you is that Nyc healthcare workers are burnt out like a mfer and it sure as **** isnt because Cuomo inflates some numbers. it’s because a sht load of people died and are dying and even Cuomo admits that those numbers are decreasing. If it was just some sht you could write in a death certificate then There would be no need to say the numbers are decreasing cause you could just attach covid to anyone who dies correct? What you guys fail to realize is that the medical examiners have to verify the cause of death which is why the death numbers lag behind what they actually are.
The bodies in those refrigerated trailers have not been counted as covid deaths until the ME goes over the medical record to confirm it.
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And that makes sense, the ME having to verify, even after deaths. So naturally the numbers should fall. Makes sense.

However, this is what created the misinformation that mainstream media was spreading. It begs the question, let's not report the covid deaths until they're confirmed? Why classify any death as a covid death? This decision lead to poopy data and fear mongering by the MSM.
 
kgranger17 said:
And that makes sense, the ME having to verify, even after deaths. So naturally the numbers should fall. Makes sense.

However, this is what created the misinformation that mainstream media was spreading. It begs the question, let's not report the covid deaths until they're confirmed? Why classify any death as a covid death? This decision lead to poopy data and fear mongering by the MSM.
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You need data and depending on who you are you are either craving it or hiding it refusing to go after it. Weather it be for political or financial or viewership reasons.
Saying a patient died of this or that reason is up to the medical examiner and not the hospital regardless of cause of death and not only COVID.
 
bear said:
1. The first selloff provided huge opportunities to upgrade portfolio into quality stocks many which have rallied 50% or more. I always look to buy quality first in cascading markets.
2. I doubt we will see quality selloff as aggressively as it it did if we get another selloff as earnings have been great in tech and biotechs
3. Which nicely dovetails to your point- cyclicals (industrials, Financials, materials, and energy) and lastly the cohort of retailers, airlines, hotels, casinos).
4. However the last leg down in a bear market is historically very painful for unloved sectors so timing is key.
5. I personally stick to quality as it will deliver in good and bad times (will recover quicker). Many quality stocks are up 50% or more since the bottom...
6 Must distinguish investing from trading. Good money can be made on both strategies we just cannot confuse the two.

GO canes
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Well I guess I’m investing, you have any good stocks u recommend?
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Yeah, getting investment advice on a football message board.

It‘s one thing to chop it up back and forth. That’s fun.

But when it comes to taking actionable steps based on self-appointed message board financial gurus...I’ll pass.
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Opinions.. Not advice.. Like to hear what others are doing. Fun conversation piece...Lord knows there is no football to talk about.. Maybe something that sounds interesting... I'll Do my DD.
 
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Personally I’m looking hard at GUSH and Eldorado . Eldorado is supposed to be buying Caesers and I feel that all entertainment companies will go back up eventually anyways
 
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Bird4um said:
Opinions.. Not advice.. Like to hear what others are doing. Fun conversation piece...Lord knows there is no football to talk about.. Maybe something that sounds interesting... I'll Do my DD.
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I get what you’re saying. I think this is a good thread. It’s fun to talk about different investment strategies.

I guess I’m just saying for those that might be gullible enough, nobody has all the answers.

But I’ve always just been really independent about investing. I have friends that pay either one or 2% or more, which could end up being a substantial sum, to have a professional investor manage their money. I’ve always done better on my own.

But I do like to hear different thoughts and approaches, and I appreciate people posting their different strategies. I just don’t think there’s one answer or approach that’s universal.

One thing that we probably need to talk about a little more is risk tolerance.

Clearly the younger you are the higher your tolerance should be for risk. Conversely, the closer you are to retirement, that’s when you might want to look at your risk profile and exposure. At least that’s the traditional way of looking at it.
 
GladeCane said:
You think its going up, buy a call; going down, buy a put; stays the same buy both. Great thing about options is you can make money no matter what the asset does.
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Appreciate it . I think I understand the gist of that, I’m more at the point of trying to figure out the best moves as far as timing goes . I’m also trying to understand the ins and outs of the break even percentages, and the bids and asks on limit prices
 
pacusmc said:
You need data and depending on who you are you are either craving it or hiding it refusing to go after it. Weather it be for political or financial or viewership reasons.
Saying a patient died of this or that reason is up to the medical examiner and not the hospital regardless of cause of death and not only COVID.
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It is not up to the ME, unless the ME is specifically asked to be involved.

The attending MD or DO determines cause of death.

Is NYC's protocol now that ALL potential COVID cases go to MEs?
 
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Waiting patiently for Robert Prechter to pop his head into the forum to school us on the Elliott Wave Theory....
 
jjacks93 said:
Appreciate it . I think I understand the gist of that, I’m more at the point of trying to figure out the best moves as far as timing goes . I’m also trying to understand the ins and outs of the break even percentages, and the bids and asks on limit prices
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Not sure if he still does it, but Pete Najarian of Option Monster used to let people have access to his live trades (not all). If he doesn't there should be others.

Great thing about options is the leverage you can get. You can control a lot more shares, albeit for a limited duration, for the same amount of money.

If you have the time to spend on this and have the patience to wait for the right opportunities, you can make a lot of money.
 
GladeCane said:
You think its going up, buy a call; going down, buy a put; stays the same buy both. Great thing about options is you can make money no matter what the asset does.
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With options you have to be right two times: First is the direction of the underlying security you are buying or selling and second is the timing of the move. You can be right about direction but wrong about timing and get wiped out. Also volatility comes into play. Because the vix is elevated and many underlying securities have huge vol premiums even an outsized move can prove insignificant if volatility compresses. Options are best used as covered calls to lower your purchase price or get more juice out of your original investment. Too many factors to consider for those who do not invest regularly in the market including vol, direction and timing. i much prefer buying a security where I can wait if I am wrong that playing the market via options... just my 2c
 
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