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I don’t watch Fox Business, but I listen to Fox in the background and they talked about stocks being down in every show… and dedicate full segments to it
Neil Cavuto retired and his show used to follow the bell and was more into economics… so maybe u are talking about that when he used to be on?
That reminds me… Will Cain’s show is so much better than Cavuto’s show
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Market is pricing in a recession..basically an economic downturn/slowdown
IMO, Will Cain is one of the true lightweights on Fox. Cavuto's intellect and what he brought to the show is towering in comparison. But, Neil dared to speak out occasionally against Trump so ... he had to go. Just like Shep Smith and numerous others before him.
Cavuto went to St. Bonaventure University, which is where I started my own college career. I lasted one semester in Olean, which is in the middle of nowhere in the Western Tier of NY.
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Cavuto's intellect enabled him to call New Mexico or Arizona - just as soon as the state polls closed.
Cavuto needs to move to CNN - Communist News Network - where Cavuto can be Cavuto.
Shep Smith was a flaming liberal - and couldn't handle the push back.
Since you and Cavuto went to the same school, some of this is starting to make sense.
If you want to see a school in the Middle of Nowhere - go visit Auburn. After dark cow tipping is the local favorite sport. Throwing toilet paper in the trees in the town center is the favorite method of celebration.
After all, they really don't use much toilet paper - they use corn cobs. Use a couple of yellow ones as you rotate them, and then use a white one to see if you need to use another yellow one.
Just having fun, brother - ignore the third sentence - just being a smartass - I got the itch and had to scratch it.
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The market is intentionally being used to push down our national debt.
As I stated - Trump is taking some of the Wall Street money - and building an economy geared for the American People.
Something not done in many decades.
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Shiiiit. You got off light!!!
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Cavuto was boring and if I had to bet, probably had one of the lowest rated shows on Fox. That's what happens when your ratings are ****... you go bye bye. Take a look at MSNBC and CNN hosts over the past year or two.
Meanwhile ...
One thing I like about Will Cain's show is he's been bringing on Dems and debating them and he's very seasoned in his debate style. He doesn't get emotional and just lays out the facts. He's working his way up to Dan Bongino's debate expertise
I've been to St Bonaventure once. You are right... middle of nowhere and seemed like the college was in the middle of the woods. Or maybe that was just the dorm that I stayed in. That was like 25 years ago though
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Why would he be in a heap of trouble? With who?
Yall realize his base is NOT people who are invested in the markets, right?
And you know the people at the top of his admin have been banging the drum that they are serious about tariffs AND that they do not view the stock market as actually reflective of the economy. They have repeatedly been saying Main Street is their indicator. And Bessent has been saying they NEED the 10y demand to go up for our $7T refinancing
The actual number on the tariffs is fully open for negotiation. The fact that there are going to be tariffs seems foolish to believe is just a negotiation tactic. The truly interesting thing will be how they go about income tax cuts, and if they actually do what they promised and make it a cut for the "poor" and not the rich.
Imo the hope is definitely:
- Impose tariffs and have the ERS. Incentivizes Domestic Manufacturing
- Reduce Income tax. Incentivizes More people to enter the workforce and to work more.
- DOGE cuts $1T+. And we need them to massively overhaul the DoD, and stop treating them with kid gloves. DOGE is also tasked with bringing all Government Tech and accounting into the 21st century, which I believe will have a large impact on efficiency.
- They significantly cut on some dumb regulations to be very pro business, manufacturing, and energy generation
- Make Energy production (Nuclear, Solar, LNG, etc), Battery Cell and Mineral Production, and Chip manufacturing
Even if it all goes according to plan, I think the Stock market could be down for months for sure. Long-term I can see this being incredibly good for everyone though. Judging the success of this massive change based on the stock market reaction within a quarter is ******* dumb imo. The decisions shouldn't be made by short term thinking....
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- Roger Ailes LOVED Shep (not in the Biblical way). That was the only reason that Shep hung on with Fox as long as he did.
- Cavuto graduated from St. Bonnies in 1980. I went there for 4 months in the Fall of 1962 until they kicked me out. So, we were 20 years from "crossing paths." St. Bonaventure wrote me at home on Long Island over Christmas break and basically said, "Don't bother coming back."
- I've been to Auburn once. I can't top your corn cob tale but ... Olean, NY is much bleaker. Not to mention being in the Lake Effect Snow Belt south of Buffalo. The unverified rumor was the Franciscans, who ran the place, had Saltpeter put in our food (the school was 99% male) at the dining hall where you were forced to take all your meals.
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Certainly not with most of his base, for the reason(s) you laid out.
I'd say with many GOP House members who currently are too afraid of being primaried to speak out. That reticence will leave some (most?) of them IF this bear market continues well into the future, prices rise across the board, and we go into recession.
And, he'd be in "trouble" with hopping mad (short-sighted?) investors who are readying their torches and pitchforks for him already.
I don't even have to mention the 100% opposition of Democrats.
Here's hoping he can negotiate his way out of his risky tariff gamble here. I don't sell him short on that.
Maybe never, or at least since the first 20-30 years of our Nation??
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Lol another lib(not you of course, I know you are a moderate, but the author) trying to convince Trump supporters what to do with their shares.
The whole market is down and even the Mag7 are down(about 30-40% each) from their highs. $DJT is one of the most shorted stocks on the market.
Laughable stuff. Not selling. Holding and buying more.
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Everyone's whining about the market - how they're losing retirement value.
The market - that's just paper. Real nations are strong and built by having strong steel industries, food production, having a good industrial labor force.
The enemy isn't Big Government - it's global capital from massive corporations and weak government leadership. A financial elite that offshores production, privatizes profits, and socializes the cost. Government is a tool, and you either use it for your People or you get used by someone else's.
Tariffs are a firewall. Tariffs are leverage.
And leverage is what you use when others take your generosity and laugh in your face.
It's rattling globalism. Completely disrupting it. Firewalled. US based industry will crush it, no longer allowing weak leaders to sell out for short term, paper profits.
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I think we’ve got further to fall. Now we’re BOTH looking for a bottom!
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It's actually more like $10t in debt, but the vast majority is in short term bills, which will be rolled over into new bills not 10-year+ debt. Bessent has already admitted as much: https://archive.ph/6hPqR
See here too:
With the tariffs, I don't see how terming out the debt wouldn't lead to spike in yields. Reducing trade deficits mean there will be less foreign capital buying treasuries, and the demand slack would have to be carried domestically (and the fed isn't doing QE - quite the opposite still running off their long-term holdings). If Bessent were to flood the mkt with some % of the ~$6t in expiring short term bills as 10y notes or 20+ year bonds, the price of that debt would go down and the yield would go up.
They are bills because the government was getting better rates on bills than bonds. The 10 years is starting to get below t bills which should allow the government to clock in on lower rates for 10 years before inflation kicks in from growth.
The big question: does the Fed do QE or Congress need to pass anything to help kickstart the next growth cycle.