Statistical Analysis of Defense vs. BCC

HurricaneVision

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I think we are all aware of the fact that the game was shortened, and I also think we are all aware that a Miami program should always pound a team like BCC.

With that in mind, I wanted to take a look and see how we compared on a per-play basis against BCC in comparison to other FBS schools playing FBS teams. It might surprise some (our coaches perhaps?) that there is a far greater correlation to points allowed between yards-per-play than there is for simply looking at total yards allowed. Additionally, the correlation is strengthened quite a bit more by regressing the average starting position to account for where the opposing team actually starts their possession with the ball, but given the fact we are talking about FCS vs. FBS games, that sort of analysis should not be necessary, as you would hope not many teams would be having several turnovers and big mistakes such as that.

There were 48 games between FCS and FBS teams in week one, so the data set is actually fairly large (nearly half the teams that played, played FCS programs).

It was interesting to me in the sense that Miami truly and thoroughly dominated a team that was fairly decent offensively last year, and returned many of those same players on offense.

On a per rush basis, Miami ranked 10th of all teams against their FCS opponent. 5th out of the 23 BCS teams who played an FCS team. (1.51 YPC). Rutgers was first at -0.13 YPC. This was in the 78th percentile of all teams against the run.

On a yards per pass basis, Miami ranked 2nd of all teams against their FCS opponent. They were also 2nd among BCS teams who played an FCS team. (2.36 YPA) West Virginia was 1st at 2.23 YPA, but played a triple option team. This was in the 96th percentile of all teams against the pass.

On a total yards per play basis, Miami ranked 3rd of all teams. They were 2nd among BCS teams who played an FCS team. (1.72 YPP). New Mexico was 1st and destroyed a very, very bad FCS team at 1.32 YPP. Syracuse was the top BCS team with an impressive 1.60 YPP. Miami ranked in the 94th percentile on yards per play run.

There is a long way to go, and I won't be fooled again is a song that keeps playing in my head, but for one week at least, Miami's defense truly was dominant. You hear quite a bit about D'Onofrio- and rightly so- but the real worry is the offense. Playing against an undermanned defense replacing nine starters, Miami was mediocre in all facets offensively on a per-play basis. If we want to actually be a good team this year, we need to make massive strides offensively and become a lot more efficient with our plays on offense. I mentioned earlier that yards-per-play correlates well with scoring points, well that counts for the offensive side of our team as well, and right now we are not even close to where we need to be and Coley has to take some of that blame.
 
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I refuse to be happy/excited based off a win against Bethune Fricken Cookman.

We had good stats but so would pretty much eveybody playing that team. We wont know anything until Nebraska, thats the bottom line.
 
I refuse to be happy/excited based off a win against Bethune Fricken Cookman.

We had good stats but so would pretty much eveybody playing that team. We wont know anything until Nebraska, thats the bottom line.

Except for the fact that I just gave you an apples to apples comparison of all teams playing against an FCS team. None of the data above is comprised from a team playing a team above an FCS team, so it is information compared to their peers.

You're free to get excited/not excited all you want, but you can't say "pretty much everybody playing that team" when other teams playing peer institutions did not have the same type of stats.
 
I keep hoping, HOPING that the O was vanilla because they knew they'd win even if they broke out the triple option. I can't convince myself of this, though. The putrid 3rd downs are just killing me. The D is the absolute least of my concerns. For the first time in ages we have talent, depth, and experience on that side of the ball. We'll be fine there. There is NO REASON to struggle with third downs against Bethune. None at all.
 
I refuse to be happy/excited based off a win against Bethune Fricken Cookman.

We had good stats but so would pretty much eveybody playing that team. We wont know anything until Nebraska, thats the bottom line.

Except for the fact that I just gave you an apples to apples comparison of all teams playing against an FCS team. None of the data above is comprised from a team playing a team above an FCS team, so it is information compared to their peers.

You're free to get excited/not excited all you want, but you can't say "pretty much everybody playing that team" when other teams playing peer institutions did not have the same type of stats.

Are all FCS teams equal?
 
I refuse to be happy/excited based off a win against Bethune Fricken Cookman.

We had good stats but so would pretty much eveybody playing that team. We wont know anything until Nebraska, thats the bottom line.

Except for the fact that I just gave you an apples to apples comparison of all teams playing against an FCS team. None of the data above is comprised from a team playing a team above an FCS team, so it is information compared to their peers.

You're free to get excited/not excited all you want, but you can't say "pretty much everybody playing that team" when other teams playing peer institutions did not have the same type of stats.

And I appreciate that you did that, but I'm not drinking the Koolaid this year based off that game. That was my point.
 
I think we are all aware of the fact that the game was shortened, and I also think we are all aware that a Miami program should always pound a team like BCC.

With that in mind, I wanted to take a look and see how we compared on a per-play basis against BCC in comparison to other FBS schools playing FBS teams. It might surprise some (our coaches perhaps?) that there is a far greater correlation to points allowed between yards-per-play than there is for simply looking at total yards allowed. Additionally, the correlation is strengthened quite a bit more by regressing the average starting position to account for where the opposing team actually starts their possession with the ball, but given the fact we are talking about FCS vs. FBS games, that sort of analysis should not be necessary, as you would hope not many teams would be having several turnovers and big mistakes such as that.

There were 48 games between FCS and FBS teams in week one, so the data set is actually fairly large (nearly half the teams that played, played FCS programs).

It was interesting to me in the sense that Miami truly and thoroughly dominated a team that was fairly decent offensively last year, and returned many of those same players on offense.

On a per rush basis, Miami ranked 10th of all teams against their FCS opponent. 5th out of the 23 BCS teams who played an FCS team. (1.51 YPC). Rutgers was first at -0.13 YPC. This was in the 78th percentile of all teams against the run.

On a yards per pass basis, Miami ranked 2nd of all teams against their FCS opponent. They were also 2nd among BCS teams who played an FCS team. (2.36 YPA) West Virginia was 1st at 2.23 YPA, but played a triple option team. This was in the 96th percentile of all teams against the pass.

On a total yards per play basis, Miami ranked 3rd of all teams. They were 2nd among BCS teams who played an FCS team. (1.72 YPP). New Mexico was 1st and destroyed a very, very bad FCS team at 1.32 YPP. Syracuse was the top BCS team with an impressive 1.60 YPP. Miami ranked in the 94th percentile on yards per play run.

There is a long way to go, and I won't be fooled again is a song that keeps playing in my head, but for one week at least, Miami's defense truly was dominant. You hear quite a bit about D'Onofrio- and rightly so- but the real worry is the offense. Playing against an undermanned defense replacing nine starters, Miami was mediocre in all facets offensively on a per-play basis. If we want to actually be a good team this year, we need to make massive strides offensively and become a lot more efficient with our plays on offense. I mentioned earlier that yards-per-play correlates well with scoring points, well that counts for the offensive side of our team as well, and right now we are not even close to where we need to be and Coley has to take some of that blame.

You should do this for the games in October moving forward when Miami gets into ACC play.
 
I refuse to be happy/excited based off a win against Bethune Fricken Cookman.

We had good stats but so would pretty much eveybody playing that team. We wont know anything until Nebraska, thats the bottom line.

Except for the fact that I just gave you an apples to apples comparison of all teams playing against an FCS team. None of the data above is comprised from a team playing a team above an FCS team, so it is information compared to their peers.

You're free to get excited/not excited all you want, but you can't say "pretty much everybody playing that team" when other teams playing peer institutions did not have the same type of stats.

Your analysis doesn't take into account the relative strength of the FCS teams that were cannon fodder.

P. S. Georgia Southern is not FCS.
 
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I think we are all aware of the fact that the game was shortened, and I also think we are all aware that a Miami program should always pound a team like BCC.

With that in mind, I wanted to take a look and see how we compared on a per-play basis against BCC in comparison to other FBS schools playing FBS teams. It might surprise some (our coaches perhaps?) that there is a far greater correlation to points allowed between yards-per-play than there is for simply looking at total yards allowed. Additionally, the correlation is strengthened quite a bit more by regressing the average starting position to account for where the opposing team actually starts their possession with the ball, but given the fact we are talking about FCS vs. FBS games, that sort of analysis should not be necessary, as you would hope not many teams would be having several turnovers and big mistakes such as that.

There were 48 games between FCS and FBS teams in week one, so the data set is actually fairly large (nearly half the teams that played, played FCS programs).

It was interesting to me in the sense that Miami truly and thoroughly dominated a team that was fairly decent offensively last year, and returned many of those same players on offense.

On a per rush basis, Miami ranked 10th of all teams against their FCS opponent. 5th out of the 23 BCS teams who played an FCS team. (1.51 YPC). Rutgers was first at -0.13 YPC. This was in the 78th percentile of all teams against the run.

On a yards per pass basis, Miami ranked 2nd of all teams against their FCS opponent. They were also 2nd among BCS teams who played an FCS team. (2.36 YPA) West Virginia was 1st at 2.23 YPA, but played a triple option team. This was in the 96th percentile of all teams against the pass.

On a total yards per play basis, Miami ranked 3rd of all teams. They were 2nd among BCS teams who played an FCS team. (1.72 YPP). New Mexico was 1st and destroyed a very, very bad FCS team at 1.32 YPP. Syracuse was the top BCS team with an impressive 1.60 YPP. Miami ranked in the 94th percentile on yards per play run.

There is a long way to go, and I won't be fooled again is a song that keeps playing in my head, but for one week at least, Miami's defense truly was dominant. You hear quite a bit about D'Onofrio- and rightly so- but the real worry is the offense. Playing against an undermanned defense replacing nine starters, Miami was mediocre in all facets offensively on a per-play basis. If we want to actually be a good team this year, we need to make massive strides offensively and become a lot more efficient with our plays on offense. I mentioned earlier that yards-per-play correlates well with scoring points, well that counts for the offensive side of our team as well, and right now we are not even close to where we need to be and Coley has to take some of that blame.

If he keeps anything near this dominance, he will be coaching his own team next year. That team may well be Temple as their HC Rhule might get that promotion to a power 5 conference team.
 
I refuse to be happy/excited based off a win against Bethune Fricken Cookman.

We had good stats but so would pretty much eveybody playing that team. We wont know anything until Nebraska, thats the bottom line.

Except for the fact that I just gave you an apples to apples comparison of all teams playing against an FCS team. None of the data above is comprised from a team playing a team above an FCS team, so it is information compared to their peers.

You're free to get excited/not excited all you want, but you can't say "pretty much everybody playing that team" when other teams playing peer institutions did not have the same type of stats.

Still dont mean **** because the wheels will come off an AG coached team by week 6/7. His major problems are lack of adjustment and finishing (i.e., games, seasons, and what is becoming evident "career"). Guy talks the talk but is a paraplegic when it comes to walking that talk.
 
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I refuse to be happy/excited based off a win against Bethune Fricken Cookman.

We had good stats but so would pretty much eveybody playing that team. We wont know anything until Nebraska, thats the bottom line.

I agree. That will be the first time we know anything and by the FSU game we will know everything.

These first two weeks are like preseason games and a chance for us to work out all the kinks. No excuses going forward. I see this as a favorable schedule.
 
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Before 2004, would any self-respecting fan breakdown this game with some FCS analysis?

Sad state of affairs that Al's Army is waiting around all day for soft-hitting breakdowns of a game against a horrific FCS team, so they can pound the "thank god for some real football talk" drum.

This sort of manipulation of statistics in week 1 against a HS level team is nothing more than a poorly veiled attempt to convince people that things are different.

Didn't we thrash FAMU last year and hold them to 100 yards and then lose 7 games? Put that extra 10 minutes of game time on this game, and Bethune likely matches that output. ****, we actually beat up on a couple decent offenses last year and still lost 7 games.

It was fcking Bethune! Stop already!
 
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Vanilla offense or not, Miami should be able to convert 3rd downs routinely on a team like that.
 
I think we are all aware of the fact that the game was shortened, and I also think we are all aware that a Miami program should always pound a team like BCC.

With that in mind, I wanted to take a look and see how we compared on a per-play basis against BCC in comparison to other FBS schools playing FBS teams. It might surprise some (our coaches perhaps?) that there is a far greater correlation to points allowed between yards-per-play than there is for simply looking at total yards allowed. Additionally, the correlation is strengthened quite a bit more by regressing the average starting position to account for where the opposing team actually starts their possession with the ball, but given the fact we are talking about FCS vs. FBS games, that sort of analysis should not be necessary, as you would hope not many teams would be having several turnovers and big mistakes such as that.

There were 48 games between FCS and FBS teams in week one, so the data set is actually fairly large (nearly half the teams that played, played FCS programs).

It was interesting to me in the sense that Miami truly and thoroughly dominated a team that was fairly decent offensively last year, and returned many of those same players on offense.

On a per rush basis, Miami ranked 10th of all teams against their FCS opponent. 5th out of the 23 BCS teams who played an FCS team. (1.51 YPC). Rutgers was first at -0.13 YPC. This was in the 78th percentile of all teams against the run.

On a yards per pass basis, Miami ranked 2nd of all teams against their FCS opponent. They were also 2nd among BCS teams who played an FCS team. (2.36 YPA) West Virginia was 1st at 2.23 YPA, but played a triple option team. This was in the 96th percentile of all teams against the pass.

On a total yards per play basis, Miami ranked 3rd of all teams. They were 2nd among BCS teams who played an FCS team. (1.72 YPP). New Mexico was 1st and destroyed a very, very bad FCS team at 1.32 YPP. Syracuse was the top BCS team with an impressive 1.60 YPP. Miami ranked in the 94th percentile on yards per play run.

There is a long way to go, and I won't be fooled again is a song that keeps playing in my head, but for one week at least, Miami's defense truly was dominant. You hear quite a bit about D'Onofrio- and rightly so- but the real worry is the offense. Playing against an undermanned defense replacing nine starters, Miami was mediocre in all facets offensively on a per-play basis. If we want to actually be a good team this year, we need to make massive strides offensively and become a lot more efficient with our plays on offense. I mentioned earlier that yards-per-play correlates well with scoring points, well that counts for the offensive side of our team as well, and right now we are not even close to where we need to be and Coley has to take some of that blame.

If he keeps anything near this dominance, he will be coaching his own team next year. That team may well be Temple as their HC Rhule might get that promotion to a power 5 conference team.

From your lips to God's ears. Anything that will get rid of him. Maybe Al will go with him.
 
Before 2004, would any self-respecting fan breakdown this game with some FCS analysis?

Sad state of affairs that Al's Army is waiting around all day for soft-hitting breakdowns of a game against a horrific FCS team, so they can pound the "thank god for some real football talk" drum.

This sort of manipulation of statistics in week 1 against a HS level team is nothing more than a poorly veiled attempt to convince people that things are different.

Didn't we thrash FAMU last year and hold them to 100 yards and then lose 7 games? Put that extra 10 minutes of game time on this game, and Bethune likely matches that output. ****, we actually beat up on a couple decent offenses last year and still lost 7 games.

It was fcking Bethune! Stop already!

Then leave this football board and go to your PMS board, where you fit in better. The OP posted actual discussion/analysis of FOOTBALL. You don't seem to even know anything about football, since you never talk about it, all you do is whine.
 
Always a pleasure to read your post OP !!! Breathe of fresh air


Edit : lol it was .... pray to God the **** show doesn't derail your thread
 
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