State of the Art College Football Facilities

[CaneFan79]

The NCAA under Mark "Really, I didn't know" Emmert will always be biased towards the state schools who spend money...Love to know how many "favors" he got on this project:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2013/04/02/ncaa-president-emmert-previous-cases-uconn-lsu/2047607/

Where the NCAA is lacking, the free market may correct; those rights deals CFB is enjoying right now may change:

https://www.si.com/tech-media/2017/12/10/college-footballs-declining-ratings-2017-media-circus

Less $$$ from TV and exhausted donors (The last $50 million Stephen Ross gave to Michigan was for his eponymous Business School, not athletics) may turn this arms race into a trot...At least we can hope so, as it's unsustainable. What happens when your gleaming bauble turns 20? O$Uck brought on line a myriad of facilities in 1997 (Woody Hayes Center, etc.), but now needs to spend more...

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-athletics/2017/05/82438/ohio-state-releases-high-detail-renderings-of-future-athletic-district

Of course, the facilities are from "donated" money, but the real property maintenance (i.e. the technicians hired to fix these places when they break down, to include their health care, retirement, etc.) is borne by the Ohio taxpayer (how would you like your tax dollars going to something you despise?)

https://www.osu.edu/departments/dept/Physical%20Planning%20and%20Real%20Estate

Let's not forget the dorms the student-athletes use and other state-funded perks.

Bottom line: UM can't tax like a state can. Right now, the Michigan taxpayer looks to be on the on the hook for at least some of the heinous Nasser crimes:

https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/nancy-kaffer/2018/01/04/msu-taxpayers-nassar-crimes/1001199001/

It's an inherent advantage that only a few private schools have been able to compete against and all of the other schools not named Miami are a LOT wealthier (ND, SC, Stanford).

Not like I haven't whistled past the grave yard before:

https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/alabamas-dominance-context-death-cfb/104100?highlight=death+cab

 

[valid]

you are a moron if you downvoted the OP's post. he nailed it.

 

[valid]

Miami will never be able to outdo the bigger schools in terms of facilities, so as always, the sales pitch will highlite other benefits of the U. There’s also gotta be a point of diminishing returns here, so we don’t need to keep up with Bama. Instead we just need to keep improving facilities as possible. The university had done a good job here the last few years.

Not only don't we need to, we can't. OP can post all the articles and diagrams he wants, but none of that matters. If we spend as much as bama, they'll just spend more. At some point we're going to be outspent, so we best do the best we can with what we've got. And the fact remains that velvet lined lockers aren't the best use of our money.

we need to keep up. no, we can't outspend bammer but we have to get innovative and clever with the money we do have/receive. our facilities need to be at a level where a kid isn't 'blown away' after seeing bammer's, clemson's, A&M's facilities compared to ours. that should be the goal.

 

[Earnest T. Bass]

Horrible comparison to a Days Inn.

I agree with the premise that Miami has to maintain a reasonably high standard with its facilities and it is spending to do so.

OP is nothing more that an a contrarian attention ***** seeking to troll and trigger those foolish enough to buy into his tired shtick, he’s been at it a while. Give me a moment to destroy his vapid post and hopefully he’ll be smart enough to give up.

If you’re using a hotel comparison, a more apt comparison would be comparing the top programs like Alabama, to big opulent Ritz Carlson type hotels and Miami to smaller elegantly appointed boutique hotels with specialized staff attention and smaller crowds (smaller student size and class sizes) to deal with.

Our small luxury boutique hotel has something the other places don’t, and the students just have to step outside and take a few steps to experience it. Apparently, OP, valid, nor Broke have ever set foot on campus. So in addition to a luxury boutique hotel, in a tropical paradise with individualized attention, you have the benefits of living just minutes from a multicultural multi diverse gorgeous exciting tropical beach front city with any form of diversion possible.

If our coaches and recruiters can’t sell that vs a bubbling waterfall and bounce house, that will be looked at once and forgotten, in some shlthole redneck Jim Crow **** hole - we need new recruiters.

As long as we keep improving and keep maintaining as we are currently doing - we’re fine. We don’t need the over the top excesses of other programs .

OP, don’t bother responding, your attention-seeking troll argument has been thoroughly shredded, no need to say anything else.

Your responses are predictable, uninformed, boring and speak volumes as to your insecurity. You are the poster child for...you don't know, what you don't know.

You globing onto my hotel analogy is laughable when considering the entirety of my post and its main point. As I mentioned earlier; 18 year old kids are attracted by shiny objects, which your post makes it clear that some (you) aging message board warriors suffer from the same malady.

I would not be honest if I did not admit that there is something about you that impresses me, and that's your total lack of sophistication.

Oh! Before I forget...don't ever tell me what I can and cannot respond to you ignorant, weak kneed, internet tough guy punk.

 

[hotshot]

Horrible comparison to a Days Inn.

I agree with the premise that Miami has to maintain a reasonably high standard with its facilities and it is spending to do so.

Reluctantly spending. More like CMR put a gun to their head to get the IPF built. And the Administration is still crying over a "shortfall" of $1M for that facility. That being the case, I'm actually surprised they felt comfortable enough to break ground. Probably will withhold bathroom fixtures until more donors come forward to make up deficit.

 

[Earnest T. Bass]

OriginalCanesCanesCanes said: "Our small luxury boutique hotel has something the other places don’t, and the students just have to step outside and take a few steps to experience it. Apparently, OP, valid, nor Broke have ever set foot on campus. So in addition to a luxury boutique hotel, in a tropical paradise with individualized attention, you have the benefits of living just minutes from a multicultural, multi diverse, gorgeous exciting tropical beach front city with any form of diversion possible.

Boy! Once again you've hit the nail on the head. What 18 year old, inner city kid doesn't think to himself when making his decision where he's going to play college football; I'm looking for a tropical paradise with individualized attention and the benefits of living just minutes from a multicultural, multi diverse, gorgeous exciting tropical beach front city with any form of diversion possible. Seriously, it has become mundane how may times you hear those kids share those sentiments. Way to go Biff!

Again, your clueless comments prove that mommy nursed you for much too long, although that may still be taking place today!

 

[Earnest T. Bass]

OriginalCanesCanesCanes said: "Our small luxury boutique hotel has something the other places don’t, and the students just have to step outside and take a few steps to experience it."



And what 5 star baller doesn't dream of playing for a...."small luxury boutique football program".

Send in the clown...don't bother, he's already here.

 

[Earnest T. Bass]

The NCAA under Mark "Really, I didn't know" Emmert will always be biased towards the state schools who spend money...Love to know how many "favors" he got on this project:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2013/04/02/ncaa-president-emmert-previous-cases-uconn-lsu/2047607/

Where the NCAA is lacking, the free market may correct; those rights deals CFB is enjoying right now may change:

https://www.si.com/tech-media/2017/12/10/college-footballs-declining-ratings-2017-media-circus

Less $$$ from TV and exhausted donors (The last $50 million Stephen Ross gave to Michigan was for his eponymous Business School, not athletics) may turn this arms race into a trot...At least we can hope so, as it's unsustainable. What happens when your gleaming bauble turns 20? O$Uck brought on line a myriad of facilities in 1997 (Woody Hayes Center, etc.), but now needs to spend more...

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-athletics/2017/05/82438/ohio-state-releases-high-detail-renderings-of-future-athletic-district

Of course, the facilities are from "donated" money, but the real property maintenance (i.e. the technicians hired to fix these places when they break down, to include their health care, retirement, etc.) is borne by the Ohio taxpayer (how would you like your tax dollars going to something you despise?)

https://www.osu.edu/departments/dept/Physical%20Planning%20and%20Real%20Estate

Let's not forget the dorms the student-athletes use and other state-funded perks.

Bottom line: UM can't tax like a state can. Right now, the Michigan taxpayer looks to be on the on the hook for at least some of the heinous Nasser crimes:

https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/nancy-kaffer/2018/01/04/msu-taxpayers-nassar-crimes/1001199001/

It's an inherent advantage that only a few private schools have been able to compete against and all of the other schools not named Miami are a LOT wealthier (ND, SC, Stanford).

Not like I haven't whistled past the grave yard before:

https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/alabamas-dominance-context-death-cfb/104100?highlight=death+cab

Unfortunately, Florida announced their $100,000,000 athletic compound during September 2016, along with a number of other programs stating that building state of the art football facilities is on their current to-do-list. Further, in recent weeks Florida made public the designer/architect and builder for their project. While I hope this trends stops I think there is simply to much momentum for that hope to come true. Also, one could make the argument that the programs that have already built these Disney like facilities would love to see it stop as that would mean less competition.

 

[Earnest T. Bass]

Miami will never be able to outdo the bigger schools in terms of facilities, so as always, the sales pitch will highlite other benefits of the U. There’s also gotta be a point of diminishing returns here, so we don’t need to keep up with Bama. Instead we just need to keep improving facilities as possible. The university had done a good job here the last few years.

Not only don't we need to, we can't. OP can post all the articles and diagrams he wants, but none of that matters. If we spend as much as bama, they'll just spend more. At some point we're going to be outspent, so we best do the best we can with what we've got. And the fact remains that velvet lined lockers aren't the best use of our money.

we need to keep up. no, we can't outspend bammer but we have to get innovative and clever with the money we do have/receive. our facilities need to be at a level where a kid isn't 'blown away' after seeing bammer's, clemson's, A&M's facilities compared to ours. that should be the goal.

BINGO!!!

 

[GAhurricane]

Miami will never be able to outdo the bigger schools in terms of facilities, so as always, the sales pitch will highlite other benefits of the U. There’s also gotta be a point of diminishing returns here, so we don’t need to keep up with Bama. Instead we just need to keep improving facilities as possible. The university had done a good job here the last few years.

Not only don't we need to, we can't. OP can post all the articles and diagrams he wants, but none of that matters. If we spend as much as bama, they'll just spend more. At some point we're going to be outspent, so we best do the best we can with what we've got. And the fact remains that velvet lined lockers aren't the best use of our money.

We don't need too? Ridiculous! The only question...can we keep-up? High school kids are attracted to shiny objects and many have never seen the opulence that these programs are now bringing to college football. You can deny what's happening all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that college football is in the process of going to the next level. Get on board or get left at the station. Our glorious past is becoming dated and what is meaningful to the older generation of Canes does not have the same appeal to an 18 year old kid. Due to Mark Richt 5 star players will still join the Canes, but those will be one or two per recruiting cycle, not the 5, 6, 7 or more that the cutting edge programs now draw.

Look no further than Dabo Swinney's words and then what he has accomplished.

So, you identified a perceived problem.
I'm not winning a billion $ in the lottery and our current fans/alumni donors are not going to start quadrupling their donations anytime soon.
What is your solution?

As I commented in one of my earlier posts...the program needs to attract a donor along the lines of a Phil Knight or Boone Pickens. Phillip Frost "might" be a candidate or someone else in his stratosphere. Making this happen is far from being an impossibility!

This comment reminds me of one of my family members. She is broke, has a couple kids out of wedlock, and no high school diploma. She always tells me that she plans on finding a rich guy that will marry her and take care of her problems.

 

[CaneFan79]

The NCAA under Mark "Really, I didn't know" Emmert will always be biased towards the state schools who spend money...Love to know how many "favors" he got on this project:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2013/04/02/ncaa-president-emmert-previous-cases-uconn-lsu/2047607/

Where the NCAA is lacking, the free market may correct; those rights deals CFB is enjoying right now may change:

https://www.si.com/tech-media/2017/12/10/college-footballs-declining-ratings-2017-media-circus

Less $$$ from TV and exhausted donors (The last $50 million Stephen Ross gave to Michigan was for his eponymous Business School, not athletics) may turn this arms race into a trot...At least we can hope so, as it's unsustainable. What happens when your gleaming bauble turns 20? O$Uck brought on line a myriad of facilities in 1997 (Woody Hayes Center, etc.), but now needs to spend more...

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-athletics/2017/05/82438/ohio-state-releases-high-detail-renderings-of-future-athletic-district

Of course, the facilities are from "donated" money, but the real property maintenance (i.e. the technicians hired to fix these places when they break down, to include their health care, retirement, etc.) is borne by the Ohio taxpayer (how would you like your tax dollars going to something you despise?)

https://www.osu.edu/departments/dept/Physical%20Planning%20and%20Real%20Estate

Let's not forget the dorms the student-athletes use and other state-funded perks.

Bottom line: UM can't tax like a state can. Right now, the Michigan taxpayer looks to be on the on the hook for at least some of the heinous Nasser crimes:

https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/nancy-kaffer/2018/01/04/msu-taxpayers-nassar-crimes/1001199001/

It's an inherent advantage that only a few private schools have been able to compete against and all of the other schools not named Miami are a LOT wealthier (ND, SC, Stanford).

Not like I haven't whistled past the grave yard before:

https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/alabamas-dominance-context-death-cfb/104100?highlight=death+cab

Unfortunately, Florida announced their $100,000,000 athletic compound during September 2016, along with a number of other programs stating that building state of the art football facilities is on their current to-do-list. Further, in recent weeks Florida made public the designer/architect and builder for their project. While I hope this trends stops I think there is simply to much momentum for that hope to come true. Also, one could make the argument that the programs that have already built these Disney like facilities would love to see it stop as that would mean less competition.

So what is UF (actually their UAA) spending this money on exactly? Of course, the O'Connell center renovation was done in conjunction with UF itself, so all those fees you pay the state went to help that endeavor...Something UM doesn't have as a funding source. Okay, here are the planned facility items:

http://floridagators.com/sports/2017/3/2/facility-projects.aspx

- UM has no women's softball team, so that $$$ isn't of any consequence as far as competitiveness with UF goes

- They are spending on their baseball stadium. They won their first NC (after who knows how many CWS trips) before any shovel has hit the ground. Is A-Roid at Mark Light that run down after NINE years? I think Miami's competitiveness has more to do with the non-headcount scholarship limitations of NCAA Baseball (MUCH cheaper for baseball recruits to go to UF/FSU than UM) and an aging coach still at the helm, than it does with facilities.

- http://hurricanesfootballfacility.com/overview.html

http://hurricanesfootballfacility.com/features.html

In conjunction with the Schwartz and the Hecht renovation after the coaches move into the IPF, what more do you want?!? You can't outspend the UAA, especially when they can team up with the university and be augmented by state funds (FSU did this by putting classrooms at Doak Campbell, there are academic facilities at Michigan Stadium, etc.)

Spending $$$ to just spend it is stupid. Where there are capability gaps, you spend the money, but don't waste it.

You probably think buying new F-35s to do CAS is better than keeping A-10s!

 

[SPAMM]

I can't believe it. After migrating over from Grassy, where it was more frequent. I have finally ignored my first person on this site.

 

[kryptonite]

Miami will never be able to outdo the bigger schools in terms of facilities, so as always, the sales pitch will highlite other benefits of the U. There’s also gotta be a point of diminishing returns here, so we don’t need to keep up with Bama. Instead we just need to keep improving facilities as possible. The university had done a good job here the last few years.

Not only don't we need to, we can't. OP can post all the articles and diagrams he wants, but none of that matters. If we spend as much as bama, they'll just spend more. At some point we're going to be outspent, so we best do the best we can with what we've got. And the fact remains that velvet lined lockers aren't the best use of our money.

we need to keep up. no, we can't outspend bammer but we have to get innovative and clever with the money we do have/receive. our facilities need to be at a level where a kid isn't 'blown away' after seeing bammer's, clemson's, A&M's facilities compared to ours. that should be the goal.

I think that was Epi's point. We need to get the most for our money which probably doesn't mean spending on a waterfall in the locker room. We need to have the facilities period. Our IPF may not have a ******* machine in the bathroom, but at least we've got the building.

 

[kryptonite]

Miami will never be able to outdo the bigger schools in terms of facilities, so as always, the sales pitch will highlite other benefits of the U. There’s also gotta be a point of diminishing returns here, so we don’t need to keep up with Bama. Instead we just need to keep improving facilities as possible. The university had done a good job here the last few years.

Not only don't we need to, we can't. OP can post all the articles and diagrams he wants, but none of that matters. If we spend as much as bama, they'll just spend more. At some point we're going to be outspent, so we best do the best we can with what we've got. And the fact remains that velvet lined lockers aren't the best use of our money.

we need to keep up. no, we can't outspend bammer but we have to get innovative and clever with the money we do have/receive. our facilities need to be at a level where a kid isn't 'blown away' after seeing bammer's, clemson's, A&M's facilities compared to ours. that should be the goal.

BINGO!!!

That's exactly what I said.

 

[Gatorhater]

If we get anywhere close to the others we are equal and passing them. They need to spend massively to just balance off where we are and who we are. Get to the playoffs once and even Bama will have to triple their investments. Win and we are THE U. That can’t be bought at any price. Look at what 10 wins and the TOC did. Talk of media for weeks. Imagine what it would have been if we had beat Clemson.

 

[TheEye]

How about we pay off the balance of the IPF before we start bringing up $100M facilities? This fall on fans and fundraisers.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Ernest Bass is responding in a way similar to his namesake.

What an idiot.

He uses a hotel analogy, I destroy his argument using the same analogy, and he tries to invalidate the argument because I used the analogy he chose. Maybe next time pick a different analogy for me to destroy you with.

You actually have no coherent response, so you chose some pretty lame insults to counter with.

You really have no counter to my response. It’s simple. We can’t spend lavishly like the SEC powers, nor do we need to. Additionally, surpluses at Miami are better allocated to coaching talent and functional facility improvements. We have enough now with campus, location, stadium improvements and other magic city advantages to have a strong product to sell. Even Ernest T. Bass can see that.

Cut the act. You’re just trolling for attention.

Finally, you literally have no clue what “inner city kids” like or don’t like and much of your commentary about them was stereotypical and ignorant.

You clearly spend zero time with any urban kids, otherwise you would know you can’t categorize them as all the same. But that’s typical of your attention starved shallow posting.

 

[CoachDannyMiaz]

OriginalCanesCanesCanes said: But ***** wants to use that money to add crushed velvet lining to the lockers and full length mirrors with inlaid Swarovski crystals...that way we can land some bloodthirsty savages.

That thinking, if accepted, means other programs, who are smart and forward thinking, will gain an insurmountable advantage over the Canes. This is already in full swing as for example; the Gators are in the process of investing $100,000,000 (yes, one hundred million dollars) for construction of a new athletic compound and a standalone football facility.

Recently, a big topic of conversation has been Miami underclassman opting for the NFL draft (McIntosh and Norton). Some believe that due to the wealth these players see in the South Florida area it motivates them to leave early for the cash. Those people could be on to something. When you follow their reasoning to its logical conclusion those same type of players as recruits must also be enthralled when visiting the Clemson’s, Alabama’s, Oregon’s and a horde of other college football programs that have jaw dropping football facilities (video links below). Furthermore, not only have those facilities become a magnet for the best 5 star players in the country, but they may even play a role in retention of underclassman.

“A decade of rampant athletics construction across the country has redefined what it takes to field a competitive top-tier college sports program. Football stadiums and basketball arenas now must be complemented by practice facilities, professional-quality locker rooms, players' lounges with high-definition televisions and video game systems, and luxury suites to coax more money from boosters.”

“The University of Tennessee built a $45 million Training Center, a 145,000-square-foot home for its football team with a two-story weight room, hydrotherapy room, amphitheater-style team meeting room and a public entrance featuring a water wall and museum commemorating Volunteers football history.” I’ll save the naysayers the trouble of posting that those facilities have not paid off for Tennessee football…YET!!!

“Virginia and Rutgers, athletic departments both highly dependent on student fees, have new football headquarters on their wish lists. And at Maryland, the university is planning a $155 million project to convert Cole Field House, its former basketball arena, into an indoor football practice facility, new locker rooms and offices for football, a training center for all athletes and an "Academy of Innovation and Entrepreneurship" for students. University of South Florida has committed $45,000.000 towards football facilities”

“Clemson Athletic Director, Dan Radakovich, asked Dabo Swinney what he needed to take Clemson football to the next level. Swinney jotted down a few BIG ideas for a football headquarters. I really thought he would take that piece of paper and just laugh," Swinney said. "But he didn't. ... every dream starts with a dreamer."

To be clear; I deplore what big money has done to college football, and what it will do in the future, but if you are going to compete at the highest level then new state of the art athletic facilities will be the price of admission. And yes, I am fully aware of the challenges Miami faces in funding such ventures, but despite the wonderful new indoor practice facility the Canes are already significantly behind most all of the top football schools, which makes me worry for the future of the program.

Finally if you take a kid to a Four Season Hotel with extraordinary management and then take him to a Days Inn with comparable management, where will he elect to stay? Bring a 5 star player to a college with a state of the art athletic compound whose coaching staff is also 5 star, and then bring him to a college who isn’t in the same universe facility wise, but also has a 5 star coaching staff…where is he most likely to sign? By the way; it is those headwinds that make the job Mark Richt and his staff have done concerning the 2018 recruiting class nothing short of remarkable.

PHOTOS: Clemson's new $55 million football facility - Business Insider

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lupS-rvh6Zw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMQ7eso_a8A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMvru1j4tp8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta_uTdXl-tE[/FONT]

I'm no expert on how this stuff is getting funded, so maybe its all private funds/donations etc. But if it's not, even a small bit of it, I'm left with this thought:
One day, just like taxpayer funded pro stadiums and arenas, one would hope that taxpayers in states where these state schools are spending RACKS on all this extra nonsense, will start asking "What does this have to do with education? Even better, what does this have to do with football?"

It's one thing to question why Miami can't keep up with these schools and their eternal "5 Star Wars" space race, but the other question needs to be asked of those big state schools.
Why you need all this, when is enough, and why (usually in struggling states where public funds are like gold) is so much money going to pimpin out locker rooms and game rooms and wutever other nonessential mess coaches/ADs keep asking for and getting.

Now if its private money from boosters? Fine, its their money and they can spend it how they want (still doesn't answer the "what does this have to do with football" question) and they will do just that.

But any percentage, whether big or small, that is public funds and is going to all this stuff that doesn't matter one iota when that whistle blows and the ball is snapped, needs to be under more public scrutiny.

I'd say this is getting ridiculous, but its been ridiculous for about 15 years now.

 

[1mg of Epi]

Not only don't we need to, we can't. OP can post all the articles and diagrams he wants, but none of that matters. If we spend as much as bama, they'll just spend more. At some point we're going to be outspent, so we best do the best we can with what we've got. And the fact remains that velvet lined lockers aren't the best use of our money.

We don't need too? Ridiculous! The only question...can we keep-up? High school kids are attracted to shiny objects and many have never seen the opulence that these programs are now bringing to college football. You can deny what's happening all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that college football is in the process of going to the next level. Get on board or get left at the station. Our glorious past is becoming dated and what is meaningful to the older generation of Canes does not have the same appeal to an 18 year old kid. Due to Mark Richt 5 star players will still join the Canes, but those will be one or two per recruiting cycle, not the 5, 6, 7 or more that the cutting edge programs now draw.

Look no further than Dabo Swinney's words and then what he has accomplished.

So, you identified a perceived problem.
I'm not winning a billion $ in the lottery and our current fans/alumni donors are not going to start quadrupling their donations anytime soon.
What is your solution?

As I commented in one of my earlier posts...the program needs to attract a donor along the lines of a Phil Knight or Boone Pickens. Phillip Frost "might" be a candidate or someone else in his stratosphere. Making this happen is far from being an impossibility!

This comment reminds me of one of my family members. She is broke, has a couple kids out of wedlock, and no high school diploma. She always tells me that she plans on finding a rich guy that will marry her and take care of her problems.

She hot?
I’m not rich, but I can put on an act for a couple months.

 

[1mg of Epi]

Miami will never be able to outdo the bigger schools in terms of facilities, so as always, the sales pitch will highlite other benefits of the U. There’s also gotta be a point of diminishing returns here, so we don’t need to keep up with Bama. Instead we just need to keep improving facilities as possible. The university had done a good job here the last few years.

Not only don't we need to, we can't. OP can post all the articles and diagrams he wants, but none of that matters. If we spend as much as bama, they'll just spend more. At some point we're going to be outspent, so we best do the best we can with what we've got. And the fact remains that velvet lined lockers aren't the best use of our money.

we need to keep up. no, we can't outspend bammer but we have to get innovative and clever with the money we do have/receive. our facilities need to be at a level where a kid isn't 'blown away' after seeing bammer's, clemson's, A&M's facilities compared to ours. that should be the goal.

I think that was Epi's point. We need to get the most for our money which probably doesn't mean spending on a waterfall in the locker room. We need to have the facilities period. Our IPF may not have a ******* machine in the bathroom, but at least we've got the building.

Exactly.