Spring QB battle

[gatorsSUCK!]

Perry will win, and curious to see if Williams can pass up Rozier in fall

 

[Hemsleysalmons]

I’d bet big money on Perry

Perry was reportedly the recruit Richt prioritized above all when he first got here.

Richt refused to name a starter until Perry got on campus.

Richt wanted Perry to win the job last year. This year, I think Perry’s ready (enough) to do so.

He refused to name a starter because he wanted to keep a fire lit under the guys in front of him. Once Perry arrived and Richt discovered he'd never watched film, I guarantee you he didn't want Perry taking the field. The FANS, who had no clue, were the ones begging for Perry to start right away.

Williams is an EE, and is coming in better prepared than Perry did. Perry's jump on Williams will not be a significant one. It will be a huge battle, and whichever QB gets it right between the ears AND makes plays will win the job.

Very constructive post. Perry is over whelming choice of forum to start next year. I agree with you that Williams may surprise and be chosen to be starter in 2018.

 

[ThomasM]

I'm going to put this as gently as I can.

If Perry can't beat out Rosier this off season....he's never going to amount to ****. His path to being the starter could not be any clearer.

Yup. Amazing 2-10 teams like UNC have 3rd string freshman QBs that so far are light years better than anything we have. If Perry aint ready in '18, he's a bust. Has to be the easiest QB slot in the country. Anyone who is half *** can waltz in and start for their career.

Maybe not. I just think he was WAY behind in terms of knowing how to watch film, progress reads, read a D, etc. Wayyyy behind. I wouldn't be shocked if it takes him more than one season to win the job. He's athletically ahead of everyone, but he has a lot of work to do to catch up on the mental aspect. When he does, look the **** out. He will be a good one.

I said it when he signed and I'll say it again. I hope everyone is patient with him and doesn't turn on him when he doesn't win the job as soon as everyone wants/expects. He has the talent, but sometimes that talent takes time to develop. With him and Williams pushing each other, great days are ahead. Just be patient.

This ain't about "winning the job when everyone wants/expects"....it's really rather simple. The only thing standing between Perry and the starting job is a QB who we all now know is completely erratic and not what Richt wants behind center.

I couldn't disagree more and I'll reiterate it one more time...if Perry doesn't beat out Rosier my money is on him never being a starter here and eventually getting passed up by Williams. I'll stand by that prediction the same way I stood by Rosier being the starter LAST off season when everyone thought I was out of my ****ing mind and was buying the Sheriff and true freshman Perry talk.

I completely understand TRUE freshman Nkosi Perry not starting...but given what we have next year I simply won't understand REDSHIRT freshman Nkosi Perry not starting. His time is right now and he'll be given every opportunity to win the job. If he doesn't it will be telling.

The one edge Rosier has on Perry is that he doesn't make a lot of stupid mistakes, because he knows where NOT to throw the ball. Not saying Perry is a turnover waiting to happen, but we honestly have no clue where he is in his development when it comes to reading a D, progressions, etc. Talent wise, we all know it's not even close. Perry is light years ahead of Rosier in that department. I just believe a guy coming in with no real training is further behind than most freshman QBs that have watched some film before coming in. So, will a redshirt season be enough? I sure hope so, for everyone's sake.

What I don't know is how well coached Williams was in high school. Watching his film he LOOKS like a guy that has been coached well, not just relying on his talent. If he was well coached for 3-4 years, and can come in already knowing how to do the things Perry didn't, he has a really good shot at stealing the job.

I'm glad Richt brought in a guy like Williams to push Perry, instead of Perry simply being better than an extremely average Rosier and Shirreffs, he will have to work hard to stay ahead of Williams. Competition is a wonderful thing.

 

[3FW]

Good chance Rosier isn't even here next year. Perry will be the QB, question is if Weldon or Williams are the backups.

 

[ThomasM]

Good chance Rosier isn't even here next year. Perry will be the QB, question is if Weldon or Williams are the backups.

I don't see Weldon being ahead of Williams. Williams is the real deal.

 

[fresssh]

Good chance Rosier isn't even here next year. Perry will be the QB, question is if Weldon or Williams are the backups.

I don't see Weldon being ahead of Williams. Williams is the real deal.

Im sure they want to create seperation with him and Perry. A redshirt would be ideal

 

[walker_0019]

I don't care who it is. I would love for 1 of these guys to step up and take the spot and have Richt definitively have a starter at the end of Spring.

 

[ThomasM]

Good chance Rosier isn't even here next year. Perry will be the QB, question is if Weldon or Williams are the backups.

I don't see Weldon being ahead of Williams. Williams is the real deal.

Im sure they want to create seperation with him and Perry. A redshirt would be ideal

Ideal yes. He can win the #2 spot and still redshirt, since "ideally" the backup will only be in the game if there is a big lead. However, if he comes in and blows everyone's doors off he can start. Richt isn't going to redshirt him if he is absolutely ready to play, and is the best QB available. He only redshirted Perry because he absolutely had to.

It's going to be a huge can of worms if Williams wins the job, at least for the fans.

 

[Lildirtycane]

Imagine what type of numbers a really QB would put up in this offense with all that speed. If Rosier can break Vinnys record imagine with a legit Qb.

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[ThomasM]

Imagine what type of numbers a really QB would put up in this offense with all that speed. If Rosier can break Vinnys record imagine with a legit Qb.

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I found myself saying the same thing. What if we had an NFL caliber QB?

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

I'm going to put this as gently as I can.

If Perry can't beat out Rosier this off season....he's never going to amount to ****. His path to being the starter could not be any clearer.

Yup. Amazing 2-10 teams like UNC have 3rd string freshman QBs that so far are light years better than anything we have. If Perry aint ready in '18, he's a bust. Has to be the easiest QB slot in the country. Anyone who is half *** can waltz in and start for their career.

Maybe not. I just think he was WAY behind in terms of knowing how to watch film, progress reads, read a D, etc. Wayyyy behind. I wouldn't be shocked if it takes him more than one season to win the job. He's athletically ahead of everyone, but he has a lot of work to do to catch up on the mental aspect. When he does, look the **** out. He will be a good one.

I said it when he signed and I'll say it again. I hope everyone is patient with him and doesn't turn on him when he doesn't win the job as soon as everyone wants/expects. He has the talent, but sometimes that talent takes time to develop. With him and Williams pushing each other, great days are ahead. Just be patient.

This ain't about "winning the job when everyone wants/expects"....it's really rather simple. The only thing standing between Perry and the starting job is a QB who we all now know is completely erratic and not what Richt wants behind center.

I couldn't disagree more and I'll reiterate it one more time...if Perry doesn't beat out Rosier my money is on him never being a starter here and eventually getting passed up by Williams. I'll stand by that prediction the same way I stood by Rosier being the starter LAST off season when everyone thought I was out of my ****ing mind and was buying the Sheriff and true freshman Perry talk.

I completely understand TRUE freshman Nkosi Perry not starting...but given what we have next year I simply won't understand REDSHIRT freshman Nkosi Perry not starting. His time is right now and he'll be given every opportunity to win the job. If he doesn't it will be telling.

The one edge Rosier has on Perry is that he doesn't make a lot of stupid mistakes, because he knows where NOT to throw the ball. Not saying Perry is a turnover waiting to happen, but we honestly have no clue where he is in his development when it comes to reading a D, progressions, etc. Talent wise, we all know it's not even close. Perry is light years ahead of Rosier in that department. I just believe a guy coming in with no real training is further behind than most freshman QBs that have watched some film before coming in. So, will a redshirt season be enough? I sure hope so, for everyone's sake.

What I don't know is how well coached Williams was in high school. Watching his film he LOOKS like a guy that has been coached well, not just relying on his talent. If he was well coached for 3-4 years, and can come in already knowing how to do the things Perry didn't, he has a really good shot at stealing the job.

I'm glad Richt brought in a guy like Williams to push Perry, instead of Perry simply being better than an extremely average Rosier and Shirreffs, he will have to work hard to stay ahead of Williams. Competition is a wonderful thing.

For the purposes of THIS offseason...forget Williams. You can't ask/expect a true freshman to come in and be ready to play at this level. It's the same reason why last offseason I knew Perry was never a serious contender for the starting job and that Rosier would win it by default.

The track record for TRUE (not REDSHIRT) FRESHMEN starting isn't good . What the kid from Georgia did this year was an anomaly, an act of God, and can't be expected from Williams. Before anyone gets cute and cites the kid from Bama ask yourself why he didn't get into meaningful action until late in the season...cause he needed all that time to learn the playbook and get acclimated to the point the coaches trusted him.

No sir...this a 2 horse race or maybe a 3 horse race if Weldon shows something. The chances are it comes down to Rosier and Perry and like I said before...it would speak VOLUMES of Perry if he can't win the job. It was pretty obvious just by what happened in that Pittsburgh game with Richt yanking Rosier that any chance he gets to replace him...he will.

The time is NOW for Perry. Plain and simple. There are no excuses and the kid couldn't ask for a better situation. If Perry doesn't win the job THIS offseason then you can go ahead and pencil in Williams for the year after that.

 

[ddann]

Imagine what type of numbers a really QB would put up in this offense with all that speed. If Rosier can break Vinnys record imagine with a legit Qb.

I found myself saying the same thing. What if we had an NFL caliber QB?

What's wrong with you guys? Don't you know that Mark Richt's offensive scheme is out of date and his playcalling is lousy? Stick to the script!

 

[ThomasM]

Yup. Amazing 2-10 teams like UNC have 3rd string freshman QBs that so far are light years better than anything we have. If Perry aint ready in '18, he's a bust. Has to be the easiest QB slot in the country. Anyone who is half *** can waltz in and start for their career.

Maybe not. I just think he was WAY behind in terms of knowing how to watch film, progress reads, read a D, etc. Wayyyy behind. I wouldn't be shocked if it takes him more than one season to win the job. He's athletically ahead of everyone, but he has a lot of work to do to catch up on the mental aspect. When he does, look the **** out. He will be a good one.

I said it when he signed and I'll say it again. I hope everyone is patient with him and doesn't turn on him when he doesn't win the job as soon as everyone wants/expects. He has the talent, but sometimes that talent takes time to develop. With him and Williams pushing each other, great days are ahead. Just be patient.

This ain't about "winning the job when everyone wants/expects"....it's really rather simple. The only thing standing between Perry and the starting job is a QB who we all now know is completely erratic and not what Richt wants behind center.

I couldn't disagree more and I'll reiterate it one more time...if Perry doesn't beat out Rosier my money is on him never being a starter here and eventually getting passed up by Williams. I'll stand by that prediction the same way I stood by Rosier being the starter LAST off season when everyone thought I was out of my ****ing mind and was buying the Sheriff and true freshman Perry talk.

I completely understand TRUE freshman Nkosi Perry not starting...but given what we have next year I simply won't understand REDSHIRT freshman Nkosi Perry not starting. His time is right now and he'll be given every opportunity to win the job. If he doesn't it will be telling.

The one edge Rosier has on Perry is that he doesn't make a lot of stupid mistakes, because he knows where NOT to throw the ball. Not saying Perry is a turnover waiting to happen, but we honestly have no clue where he is in his development when it comes to reading a D, progressions, etc. Talent wise, we all know it's not even close. Perry is light years ahead of Rosier in that department. I just believe a guy coming in with no real training is further behind than most freshman QBs that have watched some film before coming in. So, will a redshirt season be enough? I sure hope so, for everyone's sake.

What I don't know is how well coached Williams was in high school. Watching his film he LOOKS like a guy that has been coached well, not just relying on his talent. If he was well coached for 3-4 years, and can come in already knowing how to do the things Perry didn't, he has a really good shot at stealing the job.

I'm glad Richt brought in a guy like Williams to push Perry, instead of Perry simply being better than an extremely average Rosier and Shirreffs, he will have to work hard to stay ahead of Williams. Competition is a wonderful thing.

For the purposes of THIS offseason...forget Williams. You can't ask/expect a true freshman to come in and be ready to play at this level. It's the same reason why last offseason I knew Perry was never a serious contender for the starting job and that Rosier would win it by default.

The track record for TRUE (not REDSHIRT) FRESHMEN starting isn't good . What the kid from Georgia did this year was an anomaly, an act of God, and can't be expected from Williams. Before anyone gets cute and cites the kid from Bama ask yourself why he didn't get into meaningful action until late in the season...cause he needed all that time to learn the playbook and get acclimated to the point the coaches trusted him.

No sir...this a 2 horse race or maybe a 3 horse race if Weldon shows something. The chances are it comes down to Rosier and Perry and like I said before...it would speak VOLUMES of Perry if he can't win the job. It was pretty obvious just by what happened in that Pittsburgh game with Richt yanking Rosier that any chance he gets to replace him...he will.

The time is NOW for Perry. Plain and simple. There are no excuses and the kid couldn't ask for a better situation. If Perry doesn't win the job THIS offseason then you can go ahead and pencil in Williams for the year after that.

An EE with the frame Williams has, and ability, can and will push for the starting job, especially when the front runner to win that job is a redshirt freshman. Perry basically just has a 7 month jump on him, and nothing more. No game time. No reps with the first team. He has spent his entire time here learning, and SOME of that he should have already had some grasp of.

Now, Richt might want Perry to start, and to redshirt Williams, but if Williams comes in and wins it, he will start. He didn't come here to wait 3-4 years.

 

[SinisterCane]

The one edge Rosier has on Perry is that he doesn't make a lot of stupid mistakes, because he knows where NOT to throw the ball.

Nosier lead the ACC in Ints

 

[TemplarCane]

Ideally Perry wins the job outright and Williams shows enough promise to be confident in him should he need to play. I hate to say it, but Rosier is the backup unless his regression at the end of 2017 was permanent. The goal is to redshirt Williams. A year of separation between the two QBs would be a good thing.

What we don’t want is jumping back and forth between Perry and Williams. This usually is not a good sign.

Sherriffs and Weldon are non-factors.

 

[ThomasM]

The one edge Rosier has on Perry is that he doesn't make a lot of stupid mistakes, because he knows where NOT to throw the ball.

Nosier lead the ACC in Ints

For most of the season he did pretty well not throwing costly INTs. Where he struggled most of the season was inaccuracy, in my opinion, not poor decisions.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

Maybe not. I just think he was WAY behind in terms of knowing how to watch film, progress reads, read a D, etc. Wayyyy behind. I wouldn't be shocked if it takes him more than one season to win the job. He's athletically ahead of everyone, but he has a lot of work to do to catch up on the mental aspect. When he does, look the **** out. He will be a good one.

I said it when he signed and I'll say it again. I hope everyone is patient with him and doesn't turn on him when he doesn't win the job as soon as everyone wants/expects. He has the talent, but sometimes that talent takes time to develop. With him and Williams pushing each other, great days are ahead. Just be patient.

This ain't about "winning the job when everyone wants/expects"....it's really rather simple. The only thing standing between Perry and the starting job is a QB who we all now know is completely erratic and not what Richt wants behind center.

I couldn't disagree more and I'll reiterate it one more time...if Perry doesn't beat out Rosier my money is on him never being a starter here and eventually getting passed up by Williams. I'll stand by that prediction the same way I stood by Rosier being the starter LAST off season when everyone thought I was out of my ****ing mind and was buying the Sheriff and true freshman Perry talk.

I completely understand TRUE freshman Nkosi Perry not starting...but given what we have next year I simply won't understand REDSHIRT freshman Nkosi Perry not starting. His time is right now and he'll be given every opportunity to win the job. If he doesn't it will be telling.

The one edge Rosier has on Perry is that he doesn't make a lot of stupid mistakes, because he knows where NOT to throw the ball. Not saying Perry is a turnover waiting to happen, but we honestly have no clue where he is in his development when it comes to reading a D, progressions, etc. Talent wise, we all know it's not even close. Perry is light years ahead of Rosier in that department. I just believe a guy coming in with no real training is further behind than most freshman QBs that have watched some film before coming in. So, will a redshirt season be enough? I sure hope so, for everyone's sake.

What I don't know is how well coached Williams was in high school. Watching his film he LOOKS like a guy that has been coached well, not just relying on his talent. If he was well coached for 3-4 years, and can come in already knowing how to do the things Perry didn't, he has a really good shot at stealing the job.

I'm glad Richt brought in a guy like Williams to push Perry, instead of Perry simply being better than an extremely average Rosier and Shirreffs, he will have to work hard to stay ahead of Williams. Competition is a wonderful thing.

For the purposes of THIS offseason...forget Williams. You can't ask/expect a true freshman to come in and be ready to play at this level. It's the same reason why last offseason I knew Perry was never a serious contender for the starting job and that Rosier would win it by default.

The track record for TRUE (not REDSHIRT) FRESHMEN starting isn't good . What the kid from Georgia did this year was an anomaly, an act of God, and can't be expected from Williams. Before anyone gets cute and cites the kid from Bama ask yourself why he didn't get into meaningful action until late in the season...cause he needed all that time to learn the playbook and get acclimated to the point the coaches trusted him.

No sir...this a 2 horse race or maybe a 3 horse race if Weldon shows something. The chances are it comes down to Rosier and Perry and like I said before...it would speak VOLUMES of Perry if he can't win the job. It was pretty obvious just by what happened in that Pittsburgh game with Richt yanking Rosier that any chance he gets to replace him...he will.

The time is NOW for Perry. Plain and simple. There are no excuses and the kid couldn't ask for a better situation. If Perry doesn't win the job THIS offseason then you can go ahead and pencil in Williams for the year after that.

An EE with the frame Williams has, and ability, can and will push for the starting job, especially when the front runner to win that job is a redshirt freshman. Perry basically just has a 7 month jump on him, and nothing more. No game time. No reps with the first team. He has spent his entire time here learning, and SOME of that he should have already had some grasp of.

Now, Richt might want Perry to start, and to redshirt Williams, but if Williams comes in and wins it, he will start. He didn't come here to wait 3-4 years.

No chance and stop hoping/expecting for it. If it happens it would be a miracle and would also mean Perry still isn't very good. Chances are Williams won't be ready and it will come down to him and Rosier. History tells you this is the most likely turn of events.

 

[ThomasM]

This ain't about "winning the job when everyone wants/expects"....it's really rather simple. The only thing standing between Perry and the starting job is a QB who we all now know is completely erratic and not what Richt wants behind center.

I couldn't disagree more and I'll reiterate it one more time...if Perry doesn't beat out Rosier my money is on him never being a starter here and eventually getting passed up by Williams. I'll stand by that prediction the same way I stood by Rosier being the starter LAST off season when everyone thought I was out of my ****ing mind and was buying the Sheriff and true freshman Perry talk.

I completely understand TRUE freshman Nkosi Perry not starting...but given what we have next year I simply won't understand REDSHIRT freshman Nkosi Perry not starting. His time is right now and he'll be given every opportunity to win the job. If he doesn't it will be telling.

The one edge Rosier has on Perry is that he doesn't make a lot of stupid mistakes, because he knows where NOT to throw the ball. Not saying Perry is a turnover waiting to happen, but we honestly have no clue where he is in his development when it comes to reading a D, progressions, etc. Talent wise, we all know it's not even close. Perry is light years ahead of Rosier in that department. I just believe a guy coming in with no real training is further behind than most freshman QBs that have watched some film before coming in. So, will a redshirt season be enough? I sure hope so, for everyone's sake.

What I don't know is how well coached Williams was in high school. Watching his film he LOOKS like a guy that has been coached well, not just relying on his talent. If he was well coached for 3-4 years, and can come in already knowing how to do the things Perry didn't, he has a really good shot at stealing the job.

I'm glad Richt brought in a guy like Williams to push Perry, instead of Perry simply being better than an extremely average Rosier and Shirreffs, he will have to work hard to stay ahead of Williams. Competition is a wonderful thing.

For the purposes of THIS offseason...forget Williams. You can't ask/expect a true freshman to come in and be ready to play at this level. It's the same reason why last offseason I knew Perry was never a serious contender for the starting job and that Rosier would win it by default.

The track record for TRUE (not REDSHIRT) FRESHMEN starting isn't good . What the kid from Georgia did this year was an anomaly, an act of God, and can't be expected from Williams. Before anyone gets cute and cites the kid from Bama ask yourself why he didn't get into meaningful action until late in the season...cause he needed all that time to learn the playbook and get acclimated to the point the coaches trusted him.

No sir...this a 2 horse race or maybe a 3 horse race if Weldon shows something. The chances are it comes down to Rosier and Perry and like I said before...it would speak VOLUMES of Perry if he can't win the job. It was pretty obvious just by what happened in that Pittsburgh game with Richt yanking Rosier that any chance he gets to replace him...he will.

The time is NOW for Perry. Plain and simple. There are no excuses and the kid couldn't ask for a better situation. If Perry doesn't win the job THIS offseason then you can go ahead and pencil in Williams for the year after that.

An EE with the frame Williams has, and ability, can and will push for the starting job, especially when the front runner to win that job is a redshirt freshman. Perry basically just has a 7 month jump on him, and nothing more. No game time. No reps with the first team. He has spent his entire time here learning, and SOME of that he should have already had some grasp of.

Now, Richt might want Perry to start, and to redshirt Williams, but if Williams comes in and wins it, he will start. He didn't come here to wait 3-4 years.

No chance and stop hoping/expecting for it. If it happens it would be a miracle and would also mean Perry still isn't very good. Chances are Williams won't be ready and it will come down to him and Rosier. History tells you this is the most likely turn of events.

So, I should stop expecting/hoping for it, but 90% of the board was clinging to the hope Perry would start from day one? Sure thing, chief. Williams coming in early, and already physically ready, gives him a leg up on what and when Perry came in as. Dude has 8 full months to compete for the job, and his biggest obstacle is a redshirt freshman, yet I am to believe it's impossible?

My belief is that Perry came in so raw that it could very well take him more than one redshirt season to get up to par, and that will allow an EE like Williams to jump into the mix. But hey, what do I know?

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

The one edge Rosier has on Perry is that he doesn't make a lot of stupid mistakes, because he knows where NOT to throw the ball. Not saying Perry is a turnover waiting to happen, but we honestly have no clue where he is in his development when it comes to reading a D, progressions, etc. Talent wise, we all know it's not even close. Perry is light years ahead of Rosier in that department. I just believe a guy coming in with no real training is further behind than most freshman QBs that have watched some film before coming in. So, will a redshirt season be enough? I sure hope so, for everyone's sake.

What I don't know is how well coached Williams was in high school. Watching his film he LOOKS like a guy that has been coached well, not just relying on his talent. If he was well coached for 3-4 years, and can come in already knowing how to do the things Perry didn't, he has a really good shot at stealing the job.

I'm glad Richt brought in a guy like Williams to push Perry, instead of Perry simply being better than an extremely average Rosier and Shirreffs, he will have to work hard to stay ahead of Williams. Competition is a wonderful thing.

For the purposes of THIS offseason...forget Williams. You can't ask/expect a true freshman to come in and be ready to play at this level. It's the same reason why last offseason I knew Perry was never a serious contender for the starting job and that Rosier would win it by default.

The track record for TRUE (not REDSHIRT) FRESHMEN starting isn't good . What the kid from Georgia did this year was an anomaly, an act of God, and can't be expected from Williams. Before anyone gets cute and cites the kid from Bama ask yourself why he didn't get into meaningful action until late in the season...cause he needed all that time to learn the playbook and get acclimated to the point the coaches trusted him.

No sir...this a 2 horse race or maybe a 3 horse race if Weldon shows something. The chances are it comes down to Rosier and Perry and like I said before...it would speak VOLUMES of Perry if he can't win the job. It was pretty obvious just by what happened in that Pittsburgh game with Richt yanking Rosier that any chance he gets to replace him...he will.

The time is NOW for Perry. Plain and simple. There are no excuses and the kid couldn't ask for a better situation. If Perry doesn't win the job THIS offseason then you can go ahead and pencil in Williams for the year after that.

An EE with the frame Williams has, and ability, can and will push for the starting job, especially when the front runner to win that job is a redshirt freshman. Perry basically just has a 7 month jump on him, and nothing more. No game time. No reps with the first team. He has spent his entire time here learning, and SOME of that he should have already had some grasp of.

Now, Richt might want Perry to start, and to redshirt Williams, but if Williams comes in and wins it, he will start. He didn't come here to wait 3-4 years.

No chance and stop hoping/expecting for it. If it happens it would be a miracle and would also mean Perry still isn't very good. Chances are Williams won't be ready and it will come down to him and Rosier. History tells you this is the most likely turn of events.

So, I should stop expecting/hoping for it, but 90% of the board was clinging to the hope Perry would start from day one? Sure thing, chief. Williams coming in early, and already physically ready, gives him a leg up on what and when Perry came in as. Dude has 8 full months to compete for the job, and his biggest obstacle is a redshirt freshman, yet I am to believe it's impossible?

My belief is that Perry came in so raw that it could very well take him more than one redshirt season to get up to par, and that will allow an EE like Williams to jump into the mix. But hey, what do I know?

That's exactly my point...you should learn from the mistake the majority of the board made LAST year.

TRUE freshman rarely start...and even more rarely do well. You're not even arguing with me at this point, you're arguing with history.

 

[ThomasM]

For the purposes of THIS offseason...forget Williams. You can't ask/expect a true freshman to come in and be ready to play at this level. It's the same reason why last offseason I knew Perry was never a serious contender for the starting job and that Rosier would win it by default.

The track record for TRUE (not REDSHIRT) FRESHMEN starting isn't good . What the kid from Georgia did this year was an anomaly, an act of God, and can't be expected from Williams. Before anyone gets cute and cites the kid from Bama ask yourself why he didn't get into meaningful action until late in the season...cause he needed all that time to learn the playbook and get acclimated to the point the coaches trusted him.

No sir...this a 2 horse race or maybe a 3 horse race if Weldon shows something. The chances are it comes down to Rosier and Perry and like I said before...it would speak VOLUMES of Perry if he can't win the job. It was pretty obvious just by what happened in that Pittsburgh game with Richt yanking Rosier that any chance he gets to replace him...he will.

The time is NOW for Perry. Plain and simple. There are no excuses and the kid couldn't ask for a better situation. If Perry doesn't win the job THIS offseason then you can go ahead and pencil in Williams for the year after that.

An EE with the frame Williams has, and ability, can and will push for the starting job, especially when the front runner to win that job is a redshirt freshman. Perry basically just has a 7 month jump on him, and nothing more. No game time. No reps with the first team. He has spent his entire time here learning, and SOME of that he should have already had some grasp of.

Now, Richt might want Perry to start, and to redshirt Williams, but if Williams comes in and wins it, he will start. He didn't come here to wait 3-4 years.

No chance and stop hoping/expecting for it. If it happens it would be a miracle and would also mean Perry still isn't very good. Chances are Williams won't be ready and it will come down to him and Rosier. History tells you this is the most likely turn of events.

So, I should stop expecting/hoping for it, but 90% of the board was clinging to the hope Perry would start from day one? Sure thing, chief. Williams coming in early, and already physically ready, gives him a leg up on what and when Perry came in as. Dude has 8 full months to compete for the job, and his biggest obstacle is a redshirt freshman, yet I am to believe it's impossible?

My belief is that Perry came in so raw that it could very well take him more than one redshirt season to get up to par, and that will allow an EE like Williams to jump into the mix. But hey, what do I know?

That's exactly my point...you should learn from the mistake the majority of the board made LAST year.

TRUE freshman rarely start...and even more rarely do well. You're not even arguing with me at this point, you're arguing with history.

Yes, but let's compare the three areas and see if we can find some differences.

Time of enrollment.

Advantage, Williams. Enrolling early is HUGE for incoming players that want to play their freshman seasons. Especially at QB. It hurt Perry's chances a lot by not enrolling early, while it helps Williams.

Physical makeup.

Advantage, Williams. Dude is 6'3" 210ish already. Perry came in rail thin and needed a year to get physically ready. Williams does not.

Mental aspect.

While I can't say I KNOW Williams is coming in better prepared, it's hard to imagine a QB coming in less prepared by his high school coaches than Perry. By watching their film, I see Williams going through progressions and finding the right guy. I saw Perry playing street ball. Albeit, he was **** GOOD AT IT. You can see his potential, without a doubt.

Bottom line. All the reasons I believed Perry had very little chance of playing his freshman year, I don't see with Williams. Again, that's just my opinion.

This was a comparison of the two at time of enrollment. Perry has made advances since he's been here. This was only to compare the two and their chances when they first arrived.