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Special Teams Elephant in the Room

Canes Legacy said:
Your points are valid but it’s not like special teams cost us a natty or anything like that…
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chris farley what the fuck GIF
 
JamesQuall said:
This isn't the dunk you think it is. I think your reading comprehension might need a tune up. It says "right now" which was 100% true. This is from the week before we lost to Louisville. The team before and after the SMU loss were not the same team.
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100% true?

Ok.
 
The impact of punt and kick return on games has been diminished immensely. Kickers routinely kick the balls several yards into the endzone and its an advantage to take the knee versus run it out from 5-6 yards back most of the time. Punters have also gotten much better and don't stand there like statues and punt like they did in 1990s but rather run to the right and take 2-3 seconds to let their cover teams get down in coverage (taking advantage of the rules). There are less than 20 teams in FBS that have more than 1 punt and/or kick return in total. And there are less than 50% of the return TDs there used to be just in the 90s. It's just not a big part of the game anymore cause of the safety stuff and cause the athletes covering are also better. So, we could take more risk in punt returns but then when Toney gets hurt or fumbles, everyone will lose their mind. Having said all of that, there is no excuse for the mistake again Indiana last year or the many times that we get called for holding on KRs, which is why i think we instruct our guys to just take a knee. Or why in a big game we don't surprise and run a fake like some other teams do. (but then you have to question whether a fake is better than letting Mensah and team go for it on 4th).
 
The gap between special teams in college is capable of being massive. It is absolutely criminal to not focus a lot of energy into the 3rd phase of this sport.

I gotta tell you, this team spending very little effort on special teams is absolutely moronic. For me, it's not kneeling against GT levels of malpractice. I cannot begin to tell you how mad it makes me.

I genuinely think we're leaving 4-7 points on the field every single game because of it.
 
passitback said:
In theory, sure. I guess we do. That math don't math because that coach aint coaching. Danny needs to gtfo. Completely useless.

Check out this resume:
  • Danny Kalter is entering his third season as the Miami Hurricanes’ special teams coordinator in 2026.
  • Kalter was promoted to senior quality control analyst in 2021 and served in that role through the 2023 season.
  • A south Florida native, Kalter spent three years as a graduate assistant (2017-19) before serving as a quality control analyst for the 2020 season.
  • He was a student volunteer at Miami for the 2013-2016 seasons.
  • Kalter graduated from the University of Miami in 2017."
He should not be the ST coach at Miami. Perhaps a job like Buffalo is more suitable. He's in way over his head, and has already ****ed a lot of **** up for us. His time to go has come, and I hope Mario sends him on his way, sooner than later.
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Only thing missing from his résumé is that he went to Columbus high school
 
JamesQuall said:
This isn't the dunk you think it is. I think your reading comprehension might need a tune up. It says "right now" which was 100% true. This is from the week before we lost to Louisville. The team before and after the SMU loss were not the same team.
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Yep and imagine bringing up a post from a year ago…if that’s his clap back then I feel sorry for the little man.
 
Fair points but for once, we had the STs advantage in a big game. Holy crap I'd be ****ed with their kicker - 2 out of bounds kicks.
 
JayCane20 said:
That's not even remotely close to being true lol our coverage is terrible, but the punter is good. Point the blame in the right direction.

Joyce is 45th in the nation in yards per punt at 44.8 - he's 2 yards shy of being top 15 at 46.8

Notre Dame is 55th, Pitt is 70th, Stanford is 81st, CMU is 71st, FSU, Clemson, and UNC aren't in the top 100

Wake is 42nd at 44.9 yards per punt. The only team ranked ahead of us that we've played and Joyce was better H2H.

Joyce's average vs opponents' punters average H2H:

ND - 43.8 vs 40.6 - Miami had the better punter
UNC - 1 for 43 vs 1 for 28 - Miami had the better punter
Pitt - 49.5 vs 44.3 - Miami had the better punter
FSU - 41.65 vs 43.2 - FSU had the better punter (Joyce had the bad 30-yard punt + the facemask that was a killer and then punted from the 40 that went into the endzone hurting his avg FSU punted line drives that bounced and rolled favorably for them)
Clemson - 48.7 vs 35.8 - Miami had the better punter
Wake - 47 vs 44.5 - Miami had the better punter
Stanford- 44.5 vs 44.7 - Effectively the same - both fair caught inside the 20 - exactly what you want
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Fair enough. However his longest punt against ND was a line drive that out kicked the coverage, not allowing them to get set, resulting in a long return that ended at the 30 yard line. So no, Miami did not have the punter in this game. Our punter cost us valuable field position, theirs did not. It’s not always about raw stats.
 
3rd-43 said:
And still lost by 7… gave up a 56 yard punt return that lead to a TD.
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Ugh, forgot about that. Our STs coverage was bound to give up a big run. We have a punter that kicks a line drive and too many slow LBs on the return unit.
 
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