CaneSince4Ever
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That play in OP's thread looks like a power play to me.
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Something I'd like to see the offense do more this year
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It's an inside zone scheme. I focused my post on the blocking scheme - not the action between the QB/RB.
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Gotcha, and I'm focused on the blocking scheme also...looks like power to me without a lead blocker.
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One play that intrigued me, was OSU's first TD in the NC game. Looked like a "Wham" play, with the QB reading the back-side DE.
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No, it's not a power play.
Power plays are usually hat-on-hat plays. Those uncovered OL didn't engage the initial contact, but helped w/ their eyes on the second level...waiting for the LB to commit one way or the other before making a move on them.
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This is absolutely an inside zone (IZ) scheme, double first level (hands first level, eyes 2nd) and block up to second, and that's exactly what happened. I've coached ball now for 6 years and since Oline for 3 years and implemented solely inside and outside zone (OZ) techniques.
Going back to Lu comment, the great thing about zone in my opinion, and I've put my reputation on it, is the fact you essentially have 5 guard type of players and still get movement on IZ or OZ, especially if they're all moving at one unit. Point of Attack (POA) plays you have to essentially put certain type of players in certain spots (i.e., a more athletic center, and maulers at guards and behemoths at tackles).
The second benefit to a zone scheme, it put the onus on the RB to make the oline look better then it actually is or vice versa, since they don't have a specific hole to run to in the play call, they go where the sun shines and in a hurry.
Finally, the big benefit is, it doesn't matter what front the defensive coordinator throws at you, as long as the oline takes the proper first 2-3 steps and stays on their tracks, they block the man in the zone, they will come to you. Plus, it's easier to coach overall, POA has so many changes in coaching techniques with every different shade or techniques the opposing players lines up in.
Going back to Lu comment, the great thing about zone in my opinion, and I've put my reputation on it, is the fact you essentially have 5 guard type of players and still get movement on IZ or OZ, especially if they're all moving at one unit. Point of Attack (POA) plays you have to essentially put certain type of players in certain spots (i.e., a more athletic center, and maulers at guards and behemoths at tackles).
The second benefit to a zone scheme, it put the onus on the RB to make the oline look better then it actually is or vice versa, since they don't have a specific hole to run to in the play call, they go where the sun shines and in a hurry.
Finally, the big benefit is, it doesn't matter what front the defensive coordinator throws at you, as long as the oline takes the proper first 2-3 steps and stays on their tracks, they block the man in the zone, they will come to you. Plus, it's easier to coach overall, POA has so many changes in coaching techniques with every different shade or techniques the opposing players lines up in.
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Well the fact that Kaaya cant run 1/2 as well as Marshall does, makes this thread irrelevant.
As I mentioned in another thread, I anticipate that, offensively, we'll heavily rely on Kaaya progressing to his next level, which means lots of 3WR and 4WR looks. From the run game, even out of those sets, I'd really like to see more use of this:
In other words, the inside zone run game. I think Yearby is perfectly suited as a "short-area burst" type back to make the most of it. His cutback ability is obviously elite. His vision is excellent. And, he's put on the necessary weight to withstand some punishment.
*If anyone can edit that gif to just appear on the post, that'd be helpful. I can't seem to get it to work from my current comp.
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Well the fact that Kaaya cant run 1/2 as well as Marshall does, makes this thread irrelevant.
As I mentioned in another thread, I anticipate that, offensively, we'll heavily rely on Kaaya progressing to his next level, which means lots of 3WR and 4WR looks. From the run game, even out of those sets, I'd really like to see more use of this:
In other words, the inside zone run game. I think Yearby is perfectly suited as a "short-area burst" type back to make the most of it. His cutback ability is obviously elite. His vision is excellent. And, he's put on the necessary weight to withstand some punishment.
*If anyone can edit that gif to just appear on the post, that'd be helpful. I can't seem to get it to work from my current comp.
You should consider reading through the thread. I'm not talking about QB/RB action. I'm talking about inside zone blocking. Either this board forgot how to comprehend, or just refuses to accept that inside zone run schemes DO NOT mean you have to run the option read. In fact, we ran a good amount of inside zone with Mike James.
Relevance back on.
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Ahhhhh, now I see what ya'll are talking about. I was looking at all the down blocks, but the RB certainly took an IZ path. My bad fellas.
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Yeah but Lu, you can't just focus on the blocking scheme. The RB/QB action is a huge part of the success of these runs. This is my POV, but the defense is set up in your gif to account for a run by the QB - look at the OLB going upfield for contain. That looks to me that one part of the defense has QB responsibility. If QB responsibility can be ignored by the defense, I'm guessing the results will be very differently than if they were focused on the QB run. JMO.
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But regardless if it's zone or power, both schemes seek double-teams. Watching us run power last year, either Kehoe can't teach it, or the OLmen don't understand their blocking rules...I think it's more of the latter.
In the bowl game, I saw both Guards pull into each other, resulting in a loss.
In the Louisville game, on goal to go...instead of the Center blocking back on the back-side 3-Tech., we try to cut em' with the back-side RT, resulting in a loss.
In the NU game, on Duke's fumble, Dobard was actually supposed to block that LB that stripped Duke.
We can run power, just think our guys have brain farts from time to time on their blocking rules.
In the bowl game, I saw both Guards pull into each other, resulting in a loss.
In the Louisville game, on goal to go...instead of the Center blocking back on the back-side 3-Tech., we try to cut em' with the back-side RT, resulting in a loss.
In the NU game, on Duke's fumble, Dobard was actually supposed to block that LB that stripped Duke.
We can run power, just think our guys have brain farts from time to time on their blocking rules.
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But [MENTION=3]LuCane[/MENTION], I feel ya', JY might be a better IZ runner...I can't picture Him as an OZ runner.
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Didnt mean to downvote my man
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which Coley
Ha Ha, Uptempo? Not with Coley calling his look to the sideline to verify the play game calling. He has not shown uptempo play calling since he has been here. His uptempo is to throw a bubble screen.
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I would like to see our offense score more and our defense not allow teams to score as much. i know this might not be part of the "scheme" but a guy can dream right?
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