Someone smarter than me needs to explain

[Ironmanfootball]

Someone tell me why Ajay has limited touches, please

He's too boom or bust, Martinez gets his 3 yards and a cloud of field turf pellets much like Fletcher which keeps the offense in 3rd and 6 which seems where Ward thrives either drilling some dime in to X or Horton or running for a 1st.

I think the staff knows if it's 3rd and 8 or less Cam has it taken care of. 3rd and 13 bc Allen went goofy is harder to scramble / hit a dig route to pick up.

 

[P-Tizzle]

Why we motion a man into the box on a running play that we never block well? I just don't understand our running philosophy.

Because, typically, the man in motion comes across the play and settles inside the "box" but his defender (especially if the defense is running zone, although gets closer to the LOS, the offense is still running away from him. The man in motion now has a new assignment, and it's to block someone on the other side of the LOS that is in the box who previously did not have an assigned blocker to him.

For instance:

Play starts with:

Miami having 5 offensive lineman, 1 TE, 1 QB, 1 RB, 3 WRs (or 2 TE and 2 WRs).

VT (or the defense) has 4 DL, 2LB, and 1 DB in the "BOX" at the LOS.

X comes into motion from left to right. His defender follows him but not all the way across the field. So, X is free now to block the DB or one of the LBs who was in the box when the play started.

So Miami now has 5 OL, 2 TE, and 1 WR blocking 7 guys. 8 on 7.

 

[P-Tizzle]

Because, typically, the man in motion comes across the play and settles inside the "box" but his defender (especially if the defense is running zone, although gets closer to the LOS, the offense is still running away from him. The man in motion now has a new assignment, and it's to block someone on the other side of the LOS that is in the box who previously did not have an assigned blocker to him.

For instance:

Play starts with:

Miami having 5 offensive lineman, 1 TE, 1 QB, 1 RB, 3 WRs (or 2 TE and 2 WRs).

VT (or the defense) has 4 DL, 2LB, and 1 DB in the "BOX" at the LOS.

X comes into motion from left to right. His defender follows him but not all the way across the field. So, X is free now to block the DB or one of the LBs who was in the box when the play started.

So Miami now has 5 OL, 2 TE, and 1 WR blocking 7 guys. 8 on 7.

The problem with Miami is two fold.

1. They run the same **** play whether it's zone or man-to-man. And when it's man to man the DB follows the plays run motion.

2. Miami isn't winning 7 on 7 battles at the LOS. Pic for emphasis.

 

[P-Tizzle]

The problem with Miami is two fold.

1. They run the same **** play whether it's zone or man-to-man. And when it's man to man the DB follows the plays run motion.

2. Miami isn't winning 7 on 7 battles at the LOS. Pic for emphasis.

This is the result of the play attached above. TE Riley Williams gets thrown to the side at initial contact with the defender. A 6-7 yard gain goes only for 2

 

[bacane]

Someone tell me why Ajay has limited touches, please

Probably because coaches deem those getting touches to be better options. Can’t rotate 5 RBs.

 

[MiamisMoperiestMopes]

I porsted in another thread it seems we predominately only run out of tight formations and whenever we motion in it’s a run. idk if that’s accurate but it’s how I’m remembering things. Anyone beg to differ?

 

[major kong]

Someone has to explain to me why Mario calls two - count 'em two - time outs when they are scrambling to get their last two plays off. Yeah, we want to set the defense etc., but it's a much bigger advantage to the offense when they are in last second Hail Mary mode. Dumb as all ****.

 

[ristwasdown]

Someone has to explain to me why Mario calls two - count 'em two - time outs when they are scrambling to get their last two plays off. Yeah, we want to set the defense etc., but it's a much bigger advantage to the offense when they are in last second Hail Mary mode. Dumb as all ****.

He knew yall would also give him **** if he saved all of them.

 

[88]

Sucking a guy into the box to block someone else In the box. I'll never get it

 

[JeffreyG]

Fun drinking game this year. Take a shot every time you hear the phrase, "Martinez for 2 yards."

 

[SSCanes]

Again, always start with - what the **** do I know - but, I'm getting RB vibes to a time long past.

In 2000, I remember watching the Canes play Washington and our running game getting bottled up when our starters were in (I think it was JJ at the time...and comparing today to Fletch and Martinez) but when a smaller back with a little more wiggle and burst (Clinton Portis) was getting carries, the running game looked explosive.

Look, I'm not saying AA is Portis, and I'm smart enough to assume he may be a bit of a liability in pass protection, but I would have really liked to have seen him last night. Martinez did not play poorly, but we needed more and understanding there are limited touches, please shift a few to AA.

Also, all of this could be void if AA was out - he took a big shot last week and could be under protocol...but regardless, point stands.

Brings back memories, once Portis learned to hang onto the ball he wasn’t coming out.
I totally forgot about that hit last week, good point

 

[Canaanite]

Sucking a guy into the box to block someone else In the box. I'll never get it

Because as previously explained by other posters the point is to get your motion receiver to chip-block a DE, LB or SS (who are more likely to make a tackle on your RB) and now have your RB instead going against a CB/ NB who are smaller and less willing to tackle a Power back consistently. Here's a short video of OL coach Matt Luke explaining the Duo that we often run

 

[88]

Because as previously explained by other posters the point is to get your motion receiver to chip-block a DE, LB or SS (who are more likely to make a tackle on your RB) and now have your RB instead going against a CB/ NB who are smaller and less willing to tackle a Power back consistently. Here's a short video of OL coach Matt Luke explaining the Duo that we often run

Sounds good in theory but how often are our running backs coming 1x1 with a corner?

With our splits and condensed sets, then moving WR's into the box is just pile of bodies and a one yard gain most of the time.

 

[Canaanite]

Sounds good in theory but how often are our running backs coming 1x1 with a corner?

With our splits and condensed sets, then moving WR's into the box is just pile of bodies and a one yard gain most of the time.

It works like consistent body blows in boxing. Early in the fight You're just bruising him internally and it doesn't show the effects on the outside. But late in the fight they'll have more effect and hurt his resolve to continue, every move he makes hurts him. Then you get to the 10-12th rounds and he has no gas left and now he's ready to go down with some haymakers.

So to translate that into our games, you'll see 6 & 4 getting 2, 3, & 4 yards consistently throughout the game. Then in the second half we'll bring in 21 24 & 28 and you'll see them picking up chunk plays after the defense is worn down. Now late in the 4th We just pummel the defense into submission according to our will. You look up the game is over and now we have 200yds rushing even though we only had maybe 50yds to end the 1st half. Last night against VT we had 165yds rushing.

 

[twes.305]

Without getting into the nitty gritty of it, we run tight splits. This takes away lanes for blitzes, tightening down on the D Line formation. On the contrary it also limits lanes for our ball carriers. There is no room for patience in our RBs, they need to get downhill in a hurry. Damien Martinez for example is a really bad fit for the way we run the ball.

With the tight splits there is a lot more room for our quick hitting plays on the boundary creating mismatches/numbers advantage out there.

This is the nature of our scheme and not to burst anyone’s bubble, the run game isn’t going to change..it is what it is.

Last note, this is why we see a lot of success when getting our guys in space because it’s our WRs blocking with their DBs in space. I would like to see more Jet Sweeps and Rocket Sweeps as we have seen success there with CJ24.

Jet sweeps and rocket sweeps are the key, u got to keep the defense honest. Regardless of tight splits or not the run game is too predictable. Majority of time they call a run play the defense is just crashing immediately, pair that with tight splits u not gonna get many yards.

 

[WR Cane]

It's a power spread scheme designed to be tough and fyzical. It's not about success or failure it's about building character and elite human beings.

Brilliant

 

[Canaanite]

Sounds good in theory but how often are our running backs coming 1x1 with a corner?

With our splits and condensed sets, then moving WR's into the box is just pile of bodies and a one yard gain most of the time.

You don't always get the 1on1 versus a corner but that's the idea. And if you get the 1on1 and the CB makes a great tackle, so be it, Applause for him. But we don't believe he'll be able to make that play consistently for 4 Quarters, The D will have to adjust and pick their poison. Either move a man out of the box and give up 5-7yds a carry, or risk your corner blowing a tackle and we break a big gain.

 

[flips]

Why we motion a man into the box on a running play that we never block well? I just don't understand our running philosophy.

First run play of the game we motioned Arroyo he got a great block on #52, and everyone except Bell did their job. Play only went for 3 yards because of that. Rivers makes that block, and Bell should have. 6 probaly should have went to the right but I don't fault him for running with the lead blocker.

The biggest problem with our run game last night was that we didn't try to run the ball enough in the first half. We ran for 130+ yards in the second half and we wore them down in the 4th quarter. We were able to get the edge numerous times when we created heavy boxes out of tight formations. We ran the ball well out of spread too. Cam ran well when there were opportunities for him. The reverse to 24 was a beauty and post snap 9 faked like he was coming across to lead block like 8 did in the screenshotted play.

All in all I think our run game is fine and will only improve when Rivers comes back and if our runningbacks make better decisions on when to cut back vs follow the lead block. We don't run toss plays, so what, our swing passing game has been great in place of that. I dont think we've been stopped from getting a first down running on 2nd and 3rd and short the entire season.

Relative to last year we've struggled to run between the guards out of condensed sets on 1st/2nd and long, but we're trying those runs a copule of times a game not 10. We also did that dumb thing once last night when we audible in a condensed set, then all the TEs point to who they're gonna block, and the run gets stuffed (Spencer beat 88 and made tackle IIRC). Please stop doing this.

 

[Mnhurricane]

This is the result of the play attached above. TE Riley Williams gets thrown to the side at initial contact with the defender. A 6-7 yard gain goes only for 2

You’re right in your posts above. We could vary the blocking assignments so much on the looks it’s too easy on the defense. We also aren’t a great run block team no matter light or heavy box

 

[Canaanite]

You don't always get the 1on1 versus a corner but that's the idea. And if you get the 1on1 and the CB makes a great tackle, so be it, Applause for him. But we don't believe he'll be able to make that play consistently for 4 Quarters, The D will have to adjust and pick their poison. Either move a man out of the box and give up 5-7yds a carry, or risk your corner blowing a tackle and we break a big gain.

Also in the 1st half while they have that extra man in the box, your QB & Receivers have 1on1 matchups with their DBs outside so we're f'n him up through the Air instead