Soft Competition of Some Potential Coaches

[Lutzboy247]

What Herman did as a coordinator is just as important as what he's done at head coach. He was already a good coach, being undefeated if just proof of that. I mean the way he can find ways to win games with 2nd and 3rd string qbs again and again, makes him a want for me alone, it's always in big games too. Even if he doesn't win out you can't over look him, at this point it's not even if he's worth the risk, it's can we afford him when other teams come knocking.

Enough with this nonsense, giving Herman credit for winning on a Urban Myer coached team is asinine. Check Myers record at every school he's coached at and you'll see that he's won with non NFL caliber qb's. Alex Smith and Tebag made it to the NFL because of Myer. If anyone of those QB on Ohio St makes it to the NFL its because of Urban Myer. Herman has a 10 game resume with someone else's players period. Last time I checked Gene Chizik did the same thing at Auburn with someone else's players. DO you want him???

That's funny I don't see Urban Meyer at Houston were he used a wide receiver Greg Ward the whole year to win games, then in a big game a couple days ago against Memphis when he gets hurt, the backup comes in and rally's a 20 point comeback in the fourth to win. Sounds similar to Jt Barrett and Cardale Jones coming in after Braxton Miller got hurt. Not a coincidence. Not sayings he got those great players, but he runs an offense where you're players excel and strengths are used. Very unlike what we've gone through the last few years. Not saying he's the best option but don't be suprised when he becomes great and wins for some other big school.

And he also coached before Ohio State do your research.

 

[DaCanes386]

113. Memphis – 65-85, 43.33%
114. Houston – 64-84, 43.24%
114. Arkansas State – 64-84, 43.24%
116. Rice – 64-85, 42.95%
117. Utah State – 68-94, 41.98%
118. ULM – 61-87, 41.22%
119. Troy – 60-87, 40.82%
120. Ball State – 60-89, 40.27%
121. Buffalo – 59-88, 40.14%
122. Marshall – 59-89, 39.86%
123. Texas State – 57-88, 39.31%
124. Middle Tennessee – 58-90, 39.19%
125. Colorado State – 57-91, 38.51%
126. Northern Illinois – 55-91, 37.67%
127. North Texas – 55-92, 37.41%
128. Georgia Southern – 51-95, 34.93%

This is from 2014, didn't stop the gayterds from getting Mac. JS

 

[Gatorhater]

i agree but i liked the way his team came back down 20 and 17 against memphis. that is some heart and coaching adjustments right there.

Or a pussified approach to the second half by Memphis.

they were down by 20 with 13 to go. the last time a miami program has come back like that was 2004 brock berlin game versus florida.

So, hire Coker back?

coker was a better coach than golden or shannon. much better.

True, but kind of like ranking 3 deadly diseases.

 

[rmcid]

What Herman did as a coordinator is just as important as what he's done at head coach. He was already a good coach, being undefeated if just proof of that. I mean the way he can find ways to win games with 2nd and 3rd string qbs again and again, makes him a want for me alone, it's always in big games too. Even if he doesn't win out you can't over look him, at this point it's not even if he's worth the risk, it's can we afford him when other teams come knocking.

Enough with this nonsense, giving Herman credit for winning on a Urban Myer coached team is asinine. Check Myers record at every school he's coached at and you'll see that he's won with non NFL caliber qb's. Alex Smith and Tebag made it to the NFL because of Myer. If anyone of those QB on Ohio St makes it to the NFL its because of Urban Myer. Herman has a 10 game resume with someone else's players period. Last time I checked Gene Chizik did the same thing at Auburn with someone else's players. DO you want him???

Nicely said. But I think his devotees will be coming with torches.

If you don't see the difference in Ohio State with Herman gone, you have not been watching.

 

[Gatorhater]

What Herman did as a coordinator is just as important as what he's done at head coach. He was already a good coach, being undefeated if just proof of that. I mean the way he can find ways to win games with 2nd and 3rd string qbs again and again, makes him a want for me alone, it's always in big games too. Even if he doesn't win out you can't over look him, at this point it's not even if he's worth the risk, it's can we afford him when other teams come knocking.

Enough with this nonsense, giving Herman credit for winning on a Urban Myer coached team is asinine. Check Myers record at every school he's coached at and you'll see that he's won with non NFL caliber qb's. Alex Smith and Tebag made it to the NFL because of Myer. If anyone of those QB on Ohio St makes it to the NFL its because of Urban Myer. Herman has a 10 game resume with someone else's players period. Last time I checked Gene Chizik did the same thing at Auburn with someone else's players. DO you want him???

Nicely said. But I think his devotees will be coming with torches.

If you don't see the difference in Ohio State with Herman gone, you have not been watching.

I don't pay much attention to other teams, but I did noticed that OSU is undefeated this year vs losing a game last year.

 

[TC7D]

Nice post, OP. I always appreciate posts with real data and not just opinions based on feelings.

Only thing I might mention is that although Fuente and Herman have weak SOS, you have to take into consideration that their teams would likely fall in that range - i.e., they are not beating crappy teams with a loaded team (Bama). They are beating crappy teams with a team of equally crappy players.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

....they are not beating crappy teams with a loaded team (Bama). They are beating crappy teams with a team of equally crappy players.

Which makes it a crap shoot to bring guys like that to the next level. Taking crap players and beating guys like Philip Montgomery is a completely different skill set than going head to head on and off the field with Fisher, Swinney, McElwain, etc.

 

[TC7D]

....they are not beating crappy teams with a loaded team (Bama). They are beating crappy teams with a team of equally crappy players.

Which makes it a crap shoot to bring guys like that to the next level. Taking crap players and beating guys like Philip Montgomery is a completely different skill set than going head to head on and off the field with Fisher, Swinney, McElwain, etc.

I don't disagree with that. However, There are few available options in the salary range we'd like to pay that I wouldn't define as crap shoots. Aren't Strong, Chud, Cristobal, Shula, Schiano, Kiffin, Pagano, RichRod, etc, etc, also crap shoots? All of these guys have failed or are failing. Even Butch is a bit risky, even though he's my preferred candidate. There are also plenty of examples of guys that have moved up from playing lower competition - Meyer at Utah, McElwain at Colorado State, etc., that make these newer guys intriguing. Butch seems like the closest thing to a sure thing that I can see (excluding the Patterson's of the world).

 

[Cribby]

Herman was a great coordinator and great x o guy. Golden was neither of those .

Let's stop with the dumb comparisons .

 

[stormbrewing]

I think if Butch isn't hired, it will be an NFL guy, either a fired coach or a coordinator

 

[NVA CANE]

I will let you guys debate this. Butch wasnt included because the softest schedule ever played was 80th. Oh and when he has the 15th hardest schedule in America his team was 11-1 and got screwed out of a chance for a NT.

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Cristobal
Golden
Strong

Arguably Had the most talented rosters in their conference those respective years. The fact Mario and Golden had such a low win percentage tells you how terrible they are.

Charlie Strong had a very talented team, but he needs a big talent advantage to win. It's why in his first two years he was mediocre and by his third and fourth he finally started to take off.

Fuente arguably has the least talent on his team. He's got walk on receivers and lost his DC and 8 starters on defense. Say what you want about him but the man can coach and is the best coach on this list.

Herman inherited a much more talented team than Memphis but regardless he got 10(?) wins from an 8-5 team he inherited. He's the most green and his hire wouldn't be without risk as he doesn't have a big body of work as a HC but the potential is definitely there.

3 of those coaches are great on their side of the ball. Herman and Fuente are great offensive minds. Strong is a great defensive mind regardless of his time Texas he knows how to coach defenses.

Al Golden was a joke on defense even at UVA and lol at Mario, he can't even corch the Oline

 

[NVA CANE]

Nice post, OP. I always appreciate posts with real data and not just opinions based on feelings.

Only thing I might mention is that although Fuente and Herman have weak SOS, you have to take into consideration that their teams would likely fall in that range - i.e., they are not beating crappy teams with a loaded team (Bama). They are beating crappy teams with a team of equally crappy players.

Fuente beat an Ole Miss team that was light years more talented. Agree with your point it's not like they are loaded and beating up terrible teams. Funny thing is the two coaches that had a talent advantage had terrible winning percentages.

 

[TC7D]

Nice post, OP. I always appreciate posts with real data and not just opinions based on feelings.

Only thing I might mention is that although Fuente and Herman have weak SOS, you have to take into consideration that their teams would likely fall in that range - i.e., they are not beating crappy teams with a loaded team (Bama). They are beating crappy teams with a team of equally crappy players.

Fuente beat an Ole Miss team that was light years more talented. Agree with your point it's not like they are loaded and beating up terrible teams. Funny thing is the two coaches that had a talent advantage had terrible winning percentages.

Great point! I forgot about the Ole Miss win. I agree with your other post as well that Fuente has done more with less than any of those guys.

I think we are obviously gun shy to hire a young up and comer because of Golden. I also think that you can't swear off that option either because we got burned once (I'm not including Shannon - he doesn't fit imo). We've had a few huge successes hiring less experienced coaches. I wouldn't expect the retreads to change their spots all of a sudden.

 

[User-4525]

posted this elsewhere. Not one data point will be the decision maker but this is some pretty good evidence in favor of tom herman

I think the success rate for coaches who have started a season 10-0 is very high. Probably above 70%.

Top of my head (since 00)

Sucesses: Saban, Urban, Les Miles, Gary Patterson, Jimbo Fisher, Pete Carroll, Kyle Whittingham, Bob Stoops, Mac Brown, Jim Tressell, Chip Kelly
Failures: Gene Chizik, Tommy T., Larry Coker
TBD: Chris Peterson

if you go 10-0 at any d1 school, odds are that you are an ELITE coach

 

[mirednmediocrity2]

In two weeks people will be calling for Ken Niumatalolo to be our head coach.

Would not be surprised if his name has come up during these BOT meetings.

 

[prinmemo]

posted this elsewhere. Not one data point will be the decision maker but this is some pretty good evidence in favor of tom herman

I think the success rate for coaches who have started a season 10-0 is very high. Probably above 70%.

Top of my head (since 00)

Sucesses: Saban, Urban, Les Miles, Gary Patterson, Jimbo Fisher, Pete Carroll, Kyle Whittingham, Bob Stoops, Mac Brown, Jim Tressell, Chip Kelly
Failures: Gene Chizik, Tommy T., Larry Coker
TBD: Chris Peterson

if you go 10-0 at any d1 school, odds are that you are an ELITE coach

How many of those 10-0 starts were in power 5 conferences? Of the successes, I'd assume Saban, Miles, Fisher, Carroll, Stoops, Brown all started 10-0 as power 5 conferences. The others did so at power 5 conferences and below.

So, you're saying if you start 10-0 at a power 5 conference you are probably elite?

This is powerful stuff.

Lol

 

[User-4525]

posted this elsewhere. Not one data point will be the decision maker but this is some pretty good evidence in favor of tom herman

I think the success rate for coaches who have started a season 10-0 is very high. Probably above 70%.

Top of my head (since 00)

Sucesses: Saban, Urban, Les Miles, Gary Patterson, Jimbo Fisher, Pete Carroll, Kyle Whittingham, Bob Stoops, Mac Brown, Jim Tressell, Chip Kelly
Failures: Gene Chizik, Tommy T., Larry Coker
TBD: Chris Peterson

if you go 10-0 at any d1 school, odds are that you are an ELITE coach

How many of those 10-0 starts were in power 5 conferences? Of the successes, I'd assume Saban, Miles, Fisher, Carroll, Stoops, Brown all started 10-0 as power 5 conferences. The others did so at power 5 conferences and below.

So, you're saying if you start 10-0 at a power 5 conference you are probably elite?

This is powerful stuff.

Lol

You completely missed the point of this post.

The point of the post is to show that despite only one year of HC experience he is doing a phenomenal job. His outstanding work aligns him with other greats such as Gary Patterson & Urban Meyer. Moreover, his lack of experience should not be held with high weight because the job he has done is comparable to many of the top coaches

 

[prinmemo]

posted this elsewhere. Not one data point will be the decision maker but this is some pretty good evidence in favor of tom herman

I think the success rate for coaches who have started a season 10-0 is very high. Probably above 70%.

Top of my head (since 00)

Sucesses: Saban, Urban, Les Miles, Gary Patterson, Jimbo Fisher, Pete Carroll, Kyle Whittingham, Bob Stoops, Mac Brown, Jim Tressell, Chip Kelly
Failures: Gene Chizik, Tommy T., Larry Coker
TBD: Chris Peterson

if you go 10-0 at any d1 school, odds are that you are an ELITE coach

How many of those 10-0 starts were in power 5 conferences? Of the successes, I'd assume Saban, Miles, Fisher, Carroll, Stoops, Brown all started 10-0 as power 5 conferences. The others did so at power 5 conferences and below.

So, you're saying if you start 10-0 at a power 5 conference you are probably elite?

This is powerful stuff.

Lol

You completely missed the point of this post.

The point of the post is to show that despite only one year of HC experience he is doing a phenomenal job. His outstanding work aligns him with other greats such as Gary Patterson & Urban Meyer. Moreover, his lack of experience should not be held with high weight because the job he has done is comparable to many of the top coaches

My point is most of the coaches you listed went 10-0 in a power 5 conference. Of course they are elite! I'd rather see a list of guys that have gone 10-0 in lower conferences and then see how they have performed in better conferences. My hunch is that most did not become elite coaches.

 

[User-4525]

about to make a thread on the topic

 

[jkaz1]

One piece of data for each coach is a point - you can't make a line let alone a trend....

I will let you guys debate this. Butch wasnt included because the softest schedule ever played was 80th. Oh and when he has the 15th hardest schedule in America his team was 11-1 and got screwed out of a chance for a NT.

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