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So we finally offer Treon Harris as a QB.

sebastian91 said:
chicanego said:
sebastian91 said:
OBLIVION said:
Let me add this too the excuse list of why Cooper decided to go to Tuscaloosa vs staying home.
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What is it with the fugging trolls around here and everything has to be labelled as an "excuse"? The world isn't black and white. South Florida football is not black and white. Any time a SoFla kid leaves to go play somewhere other than Miami, the coach is a failure and should be fired. There are no legit reasons why that might ever happen, right? Dumbarse fanbase...
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I agree that recruiting, particularly in SoFLA, isn't black and white, but we should have a better hit rate.

In the last two classes alone, we've missed on Collins, Thomas, Bryant, Bostwick, Michel, Cook, Rudolph, Dixon, and Powell. Lane, in all likelihood, is gone, and I'm still iffy on Valentine. I hope I'm wrong, but I still think he pops for LSU. Looks like JC Jackson is no longer a UM lean either, but again, I hope I'm wrong.

Not all of those kids were paid to go to schools. Maybe some wanted out of Miami, but Golden and the staff need to do their jobs and convince kids to stay. Enough trying to convince yourself that Golden can't do anything to keep kids home who want to leave; he gets paid millions to do so.

We can't get them all, but some of those kids we're big time needs.

We need to do better.
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A lot of kids have always left SoFla to play elsewhere. It's always been that way, even when Howard wanted to put up his fence. I don't want any coach at Miami to waste time and resources recruiting a kid who isn't interested, just because he's local. He needs to expend those finite resources convincing the kids who he has a real shot at convincing. Enough trying to convince yourself that Golden can change the way SoFla football and recruiting have ALWAYS been; there's no amount of money you can pay a coach to change it.
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Nobody is arguing we need to get everyone from South Florida. We simply need to do better, particularly when it comes to big-time talents at positions where we are thin.

The bolded statement is absolutely pathetic, and I hope the coaching staff doesn't look at these prospects in the same fashion. This goes well beyond the "local" factor: Guys like Cook, Michel, M. Thomas, those are all transcendent talents, arguably the best talents at their respective positions. Forget the fact they're located in our backyard, we should be all over these guys simply because they're gamechangers.

I'm not saying Golden has to or even can change SoFLA recruiting. But he needs to do a better job.
 
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GrozDozer said:
lauderdaleballer said:
mavericksouth said:
lauderdaleballer said:
mavericksouth said:
I want Treon too, but Towner4life has to be Ice or relative of Brandon and Treon. This dude was on Grassy a few years ago arguing with me and everybody on the board that told him that Brandon shouldn't leave early for the NFL because he wasn't skilled enough yet. Years later, Brandon still hasn't done squat in the league. A year with Paul teaching him proper fundamentals could have done him some good.
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I don't think you made a good argument... If anything, he may not have been in the league... He's three years strong in the league... He contributes just isn't a star... Looks like Brandon is doing good for himself...
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Dude could have done much better for himself had he just stayed. He had first round talent. He could have been a star not just a JAG.
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What evidence suggests staying would have made him better? If anything, everyone who returns draft stock drops... That's been this staff's issues since they became coaches... I haven't saw anything from the secondary that points to him being a potential 1st round talent... Harris went 2bd round... So far it looks like this staff would have had him udfa...
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Lmao. The staff turned Brandon McGee and Tommy Streeter into draftable players where they would have been nothing before hand. Please name the players whose draft stock has dropped as a direct result of the staffs after staying for their senior years.
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You don't want me to do that... So their claim to "development" fame is a 6th round pick and a 4th round pick? Man that entire 2011 crew who left early... You had guys like Forston and VT who had solid 2010 seasons going undrafted when they had 4th-5th round grades... You had an all-conference guard in Washington dropping to the 6th round after they move him to tackle... Man Streeter definitely improve but why did TB and Byrd regress? That's not development.... There is no indication that Harris would have improved under this staff from being a 2nd round selection... And the funny thing is all of these guys are still in the league pulling in at least 6 figures... Oh lets not forget about that bogus press conference from last year... You think Porter, Henderson, and Linder improved on their draft stocks? Linder is solid but you have all of those players who performed well as freshman but making minimal steps progress...
 
Even if we were winning - With the way college football is today, it will still be a challenge to get the top talent to come even if it's in our own backyard.
 
I also want to know what indicates that Ice will cause a scene if his son doesn't play? Haha we use so many excuses... That man has never done anything to suggests that's a possibility... If we point to last years situation then that's on the staff... Don't offer, rescind, then re-offer a couple days later... That just shows you don't know what you're doing... If anything rescind and leave it at that...
 
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Alabama OL coach Mario Cristobal, who recruits south Florida for the Crimson Tide, called Booker T's staff on Friday as new OC Lane Kiffin liked Harris and they wanted to see his interest level. The coaches at BTW told him it was too late in the game.

Petrino offered Treon when he was at Western Kentucky. They called and inquired on Friday, too, but received the same message in the return.

Harris is down to FSU, Florida, Miami and Auburn.
 
Thread Killa said:
Per Ryan Bartow


Alabama OL coach Mario Cristobal, who recruits south Florida for the Crimson Tide, called Booker T's staff on Friday as new OC Lane Kiffin liked Harris and they wanted to see his interest level. The coaches at BTW told him it was too late in the game.

Petrino offered Treon when he was at Western Kentucky. They called and inquired on Friday, too, but received the same message in the return.

Harris is down to FSU, Florida, Miami and Auburn.
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I pray that we get him, because i want to see what he can do. For this program, and no other.
 
kendallcanes said:
Even if we were winning - With the way college football is today, it will still be a challenge to get the top talent to come even if it's in our own backyard.
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Yep, and it's ALWAYS been that way down here. Golden isn't going to change that. When Joey Bosa tells you he's going to O$U no matter what you say or do, you let him go and use your energy elsewhere. When a kid is bought by Clempson or some $EC school, and is being sold to the highest bidder, you let him go and concentrate your efforts elsewhere. When a kid tells you that he's going to leave SoFla to play ball, you let him go and use your finite resources with a kid you have a shot at. That's just smart management, but these idiots down here want the coaches to bust their ****s (i.e., waste their time) trying to convince these kids that they should stay home and play for a ***** team in a ***** stadium in front of ***** fans. Yeah, good luck with that.
 
No inside info, but I get impression that if UM had offered him as a QB much earlier in the process, he'd be committed here. Seems like if Miami begs and grovels enough, might just sway him here. Miami is kind of like the dude dating some chic that gets dumped right before prom and is now angling for the other girl who's been secretly begging for a date for prom for months, lol.
 
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sebastian91 said:
kendallcanes said:
Even if we were winning - With the way college football is today, it will still be a challenge to get the top talent to come even if it's in our own backyard.
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Yep, and it's ALWAYS been that way down here. Golden isn't going to change that. When Joey Bosa tells you he's going to O$U no matter what you say or do, you let him go and use your energy elsewhere. When a kid is bought by Clempson or some $EC school, and is being sold to the highest bidder, you let him go and concentrate your efforts elsewhere. When a kid tells you that he's going to leave SoFla to play ball, you let him go and use your finite resources with a kid you have a shot at. That's just smart management, but these idiots down here want the coaches to bust their ****s (i.e., waste their time) trying to convince these kids that they should stay home and play for a ***** team in a ***** stadium in front of ***** fans. Yeah, good luck with that.
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You have a point, but the others do to.

It's the coaches job to convince recruits that their school is the right one, that's what they get paid to do. A lot of times these kids name a top 5 based on stupid chit like jerseys, having a favorite players on the team, their record that year, where other kids are going, etc. Just because a kid says he isn't initially interested, or that he'd like to leave the area doesn't mean you give up and say **** it. Any coach who recruits that way won't have a job for too long.

Now you're right no coaches get every player from an area. **** Muschamp has lot kids from Gainesville to other places, it happens. But its your job to sell your program despite that obstacles, just like a salesperson. You won't win em all, but if a salesperson gave up every time a buyer said 'I'm not interested' they'd be broke and homeless. Gotta keep pitching.
 
killa1storm said:
sebastian91 said:
kendallcanes said:
Even if we were winning - With the way college football is today, it will still be a challenge to get the top talent to come even if it's in our own backyard.
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Yep, and it's ALWAYS been that way down here. Golden isn't going to change that. When Joey Bosa tells you he's going to O$U no matter what you say or do, you let him go and use your energy elsewhere. When a kid is bought by Clempson or some $EC school, and is being sold to the highest bidder, you let him go and concentrate your efforts elsewhere. When a kid tells you that he's going to leave SoFla to play ball, you let him go and use your finite resources with a kid you have a shot at. That's just smart management, but these idiots down here want the coaches to bust their ****s (i.e., waste their time) trying to convince these kids that they should stay home and play for a ***** team in a ***** stadium in front of ***** fans. Yeah, good luck with that.
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You have a point, but the others do to.

It's the coaches job to convince recruits that their school is the right one, that's what they get paid to do. A lot of times these kids name a top 5 based on stupid chit like jerseys, having a favorite players on the team, their record that year, where other kids are going, etc. Just because a kid says he isn't initially interested, or that he'd like to leave the area doesn't mean you give up and say **** it. Any coach who recruits that way won't have a job for too long.

Now you're right no coaches get every player from an area. **** Muschamp has lot kids from Gainesville to other places, it happens. But its your job to sell your program despite that obstacles, just like a salesperson. You won't win em all, but if a salesperson gave up every time a buyer said 'I'm not interested' they'd be broke and homeless. Gotta keep pitching.
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Indeed. Crootin' south Florida isn't for the weak. If you can't stand the heat, head back to Temple.
 
My point is that you have finite resources, which have to be used wisely. If you have two kids you like at one position, and one tells you he's leaving the area for school, and the other one tells you he wants to leave but is open to staying, you're going to focus on convincing the kid who's open, along with others like him. A salesperson can't camp out at one person's door who said "not interested", when he could be working on convincing someone who said "I'm busy right now, but come back later". The cost-benefits of success and failure constantly have to be weighed by any manager in any field. You use the resources you have to obtain the best possible result. Focusing all or most of your energy on a few prospects, only to be left at the alter by most or all of them, isn't the way you build a program. That's what Randy did, when he bothered at all.
 
Prior to this class a lot of the kids we missed on were silents to us and BURNED us at the last minute. Or in the last week or so of recruiting. Which in my opinion makes the pulls of guys like Gus Edwards, Renfrow, the DE from Wisky, such great pulls. We were able to salvage bad situations. Also most of the players mentioned CHOSE someone other than us because of the NCAA crap. We offered these guys, we did beg, we did put in the time and effort and got played by the players. I mean it would be one thing if all those guys weren't recruited, then this argument would have a little more validity but at this point it is just a bunch of blind optimism. ****, in our best years we lost higher rated kids in our back yard to FSU. And honestly, some of our best players in the past were not even from sofla! Reed, Wayne, DJ Williams, EVERY QB.

I am telling you, this staff tries to get kids locally early that have pull with other kids like Duke. But in the case of Treon, where we do not project him at QB, we played it safe as to not burn any bridges locally. And to ANYONE that wants to say that ICE would not run straight to Twitter to run his fuggin mouth if he felt like Treon didn't get a fair shot at the QB job is kidding themselves!
 
can somebody answer me this question. did anybody see him play in the Army All American bowl ? because i never saw him touch the field in the 3 quarters i watched.
 
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Not coming to the U...He said it was a "trust" thing. Pretty close to what Ice Harris said when we pulled a scholarship from a blue chip BTW player last year. smh
 
AlexCane said:
No inside info, but I get impression that if UM had offered him as a QB much earlier in the process, he'd be committed here. Seems like if Miami begs and grovels enough, might just sway him here. Miami is kind of like the dude dating some chic that gets dumped right before prom and is now angling for the other girl who's been secretly begging for a date for prom for months, lol.
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Except, Miami got the top QB prospect that they were targeting in Kaaya. No QB that we wanted badly "dumped" us, causing us to go after Treon as a QB, so your analogy fails badly. More accurately, now that this recruiting cycle is further along and our core class is set up, the coaches could take a look at our scholarship situation and decide to take a gamble on Treon as a QB (where he's a project) instead of just as an athlete (where he excels).
 
pb5cane said:
Not coming to the U...He said it was a "trust" thing. Pretty close to what Ice Harris said when we pulled a scholarship from a blue chip BTW player last year. smh
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If that's the case, then Treon and/or Ice needs to reflect on who can actually be trusted. The UM coaches did not lie to Treon and pretend they wanted him as a QB all along like other programs (including FSU) no doubt have done. Only after later in the recruiting period, when the staff saw that we could squeeze in another QB recruit did they offer him as one, which is completely appropriate since as a QB he's a project and a gamble. If he wants to disagree with their (and many others) assessment of his potential as a QB then that's fine. However, trust shouldn't be the issue because the staff clearly didn't try to play him early on like other programs.
 
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