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OriginalGatorHater said:
Interesting. I have never known someone that learned from being disciplined after middle school.
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Look OGH, I respect you and agree with 99.9% of the posts you make here. But as a high school administrator in the discipline office with a masters in special education, I can give you countless examples and data to contradict your stance on this. It is not discipline so much as it is teaching a young person why their behavior is a detriment and empowering them to take responsibility for their actions. You can hold someone accountable and teach them how to make better choices as well as help them see the ways in which their negative choices adversely impact people they care about.
You can't be more wrong here.
 
rekofred said:
Look OGH, I respect you and agree with 99.9% of the posts you make here. But as a high school administrator in the discipline office with a masters in special education, I can give you countless examples and data to contradict your stance on this. It is not discipline so much as it is teaching a young person why their behavior is a detriment and empowering them to take responsibility for their actions. You can hold someone accountable and teach them how to make better choices as well as help them see the ways in which their negative choices adversely impact people they care about.
You can't be more wrong here.
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I am sure you know much more about this topic than I do. I actually agree with you on that. I was referring to discipline as suspensions and the like. Teaching someone what they did was wrong I think has benefits. I was more so coming from the angle that Dabo, Jimbo, Meyer, Saban, etc let their kids do whatever they want and any laws they break they cover up. This is also how most billion dollar companies are run. If you have irreplaceable employees. You let them get away with whatever they want to do as long as they still are earning you money. JT for example is not an easily replaceable player. So he should get a longer leash than say Bar Milo.
 
rekofred said:
I must disagree cuzin. JT4 is an itchy ****** that has no arm to scratch. He is a disrespectful cancer regardless of his talent. Without a quality headcoach/leader to keep his mental health issues in check, JT4 is a detriment to this team. I would prefer his return alongside an upgrade at the top, however we both know there is a better chance at winning the lottery
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I understand your thinking but we absolutely need him and there's likely to at least be a new OC
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
I am sure you know much more about this topic than I do. I actually agree with you on that. I was referring to discipline as suspensions and the like. Teaching someone what they did was wrong I think has benefits. I was more so coming from the angle that Dabo, Jimbo, Meyer, Saban, etc let their kids do whatever they want and any laws they break they cover up. This is also how most billion dollar companies are run. If you have irreplaceable employees. You let them get away with whatever they want to do as long as they still are earning you money. JT for example is not an easily replaceable player. So he should get a longer leash than say Bar Milo.
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As I cruised thru the thread and read more of where you are coming from I agree with you in the sense that the the reality of top earning professionals being withheld from doing what they do best, which is making money, because of a poor choice, is highly unlikely. But you and I were approaching this from totally different angles.
Money indeed talks, plain and simple. In college football winning is money so I can easily see the scenario where richt and Co allow him back.
IF THIS BS HAS TRUTH
 
rekofred said:
As I cruised thru the thread and read more of where you are coming from I agree with you in the sense that the the reality of top earning professionals being withheld from doing what they do best, which is making money, because of a poor choice, is highly unlikely. But you and I were approaching this from totally different angles.
Money indeed talks, plain and simple. In college football winning is money so I can easily see the scenario where richt and Co allow him back.
IF THIS BS HAS TRUTH
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Lol. I started drinking early so my initial post was muddied up because of that. I was by no means saying that colleges/HS should allow their kids to do whatever they want with no repercussions lol. In regards to that I will definitely take your opinion on that since you obviously have a MUCH deeper understanding and WAY more experience than I do.
 
duke4heisman said:
I understand your thinking but we absolutely need him and there's likely to at least be a new OC
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We do need him. But we need a real and innovative OC coach even more. I'd take the latter without JT4 issues if that's available. Both would be ideal as long as it isn't allowed to set a **** poor example in the locker room
 
rekofred said:
We do need him. But we need a real and innovative OC coach even more. I'd take the latter without JT4 issues if that's available. Both would be ideal as long as it isn't allowed to set a **** poor example in the locker room
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That I can agree with. It's absolutely deflating watching this championship caliber defense followed by this horrendous offense!
 
Nah.

He quit.

You know what quitters do?

They quit. The first time quitting, it may have been difficult - but the bad thing about quitting is that it gets easier and easier -

He crapped his nest - now let him go find another - it will be a good lesson.

I've had a belly full of these kids who thing they're so special the rules don't really apply to them -

A great life lesson here if he's smart enough.
 
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SFbayCane said:
If Im Richt I'd look at it like this:

He was going to punish JT4 for his bad attitude. What better punishment can there be that's more effective than sending a kid to East St. Louis for 72 hours to ponder what life will be like there with no college degree, no shot at the NFL and a nagging baby momma?
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The nagging baby momma alone would do it for me.

Anything but that.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
I think it's up to his teammates like in high school. Otherwise, you could divide the team if it'sjust the coaches decision. He wouldn't automatically be given a starting role. Would have to start over from scratch. If the player's want him back and he accepts humility, then I'm ok with a 2nd chance.
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Make him earn his number too. It don’t give it to him at all.
 
UMFarArcher said:
Nah.

He quit.

You know what quitters do?

They quit. The first time quitting, it may have been difficult - but the bad thing about quitting is that it gets easier and easier -

He crapped his nest - now let him go find another - it will be a good lesson.

I've had a belly full of these kids who thing they're so special the rules don't really apply to them -

A great life lesson here if he's smart enough.
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Well said
 
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i'd say if he could catch sure.... but then barry jackson in his postgame report changed my mind.... before todays game UM had 31 dropped passes. JT4 had 7 of those.....
 
Dhatguy said:
“Because my life is the blueprint for how everyone else should live theirs”
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Nobody is preaching ****breath. If you had bothered to see what I was replying to you would see why I wrote what I wrote Pfatguy.
 
If he wants back in, let him come back if and only if we hire an OC. You have to feed the beasts.
 
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