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So close and yet so far....

ddann said:
I don't get the negativity.

Richt pulled the trigger and replaced Rosier with Perry.

Richt benched Feagles.

The defense scored 2 more TDs than UNC's offense.

Miami won by 37 points to start ACC play.

Isn't this what we've all been waiting for???
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Yes, Now we want to see it done to Clemson and FSU.
 
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I'm usually with you @k9cane but not on this one.

I could get into it in depth, but that won't go anywhere.

We throttled an inferior opponent, period.

We have a QB with legitimate upside.

Our biggest problem was our defensive scoring messed up our offensive game plan.

And calling out Diaz? 6 TOs, 3 TDs. Knocked two QBs silly.

South FL athletes have a boom or bust quality. For decades we've had DC fattening them up, suppressing that or both.

We now have one who is turning them loose, getting more booms, and your *****ing.

Just not with you, brother.
 
Echtcane said:
First Downs:

UNC 24
Miami 14

If you try to spin that any way other than a major concern, you're fooling yourself. UNC is a bad team. Yes, the turnovers were fantastic. Love the exciting moments and the win. But at a fundamental level where we line up against the other team and run plays and vice versa, they had their way with us FAR FAR more than they should have given our talent disparity over them.
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The problem with this is not accounting for the D scoring.

Every defensive score gives the ball back to the other team. The stats usually looks like this when a D has multiple scores. Time possession, plays and yards can all get flipped due to the D scoring.
 
Echtcane said:
So what were the first down stats in the game you watched?
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The fck do I care about first down stats? How about the front 7 of our defense dominating UNC and forcing 6 turnovers on the night. Offense wasn't perfect. But we had well over 200 yards in rushing and Perry was accurate with the ball and had a solid day outside of the first 2 drives to start the 2nd half. Miami broke off several big plays that negated picking up more 1st downs that you're keeping track of. Where do you think the improvement could've come from?
 
NE Canes said:
The problem with this is not accounting for the D scoring.

Every defensive score gives the ball back to the other team. The stats usually looks like this when a D has multiple scores. Time possession, plays and yards can all get flipped due to the D scoring.
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That is a valid point and accounts for some of it. But they averaged 5.4 yds per rush and put up those 24 first downs. The game thread was full of exasperation when all this was happening play by play. But now suddenly everyone wants to pretend it's not a concern. And if we played UNC every game it certainly wouldn't be. But we play better teams.
 
NE Canes said:
The problem with this is not accounting for the D scoring.

Every defensive score gives the ball back to the other team. The stats usually looks like this when a D has multiple scores. Time possession, plays and yards can all get flipped due to the D scoring.
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It's really hard for me to look at 1st down statistics when we win 47-10. Also, on our first scoring drive, Homer had a 56-yard run followed by a Deejay Dallas 5-yard TD run. That sequence really resulted in one 1st down. See how ridiculous it is focusing solely on 1st down stats without context?
 
Echtcane said:
That is a valid point and accounts for some of it. But they averaged 5.4 yds per rush and put up those 24 first downs. The game thread was full of exasperation when all this was happening play by play. But now suddenly everyone wants to pretend it's not a concern. And if we played UNC every game it certainly wouldn't be. But we play better teams.
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And the Miami defense adjusted. It's something to take into consideration, but outside of Alabama, what team is playing perfectly across the board? The answer is no one.
 
After that 1st quarter, UNC didn't do **** on the ground. If it weren't for a bull **** penalty on Willis, they wouldn't have even scored a TD on the night. Some of ya'll need a drink. This team can still improve, but holy **** fvck, some of you are miserably *****.
 
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Echtcane said:
That is a valid point and accounts for some of it. But they averaged 5.4 yds per rush and put up those 24 first downs. The game thread was full of exasperation when all this was happening play by play. But now suddenly everyone wants to pretend it's not a concern. And if we played UNC every game it certainly wouldn't be. But we play better teams.
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Uh, yeah. That's how the gameday thread works.

Gameday thread overreactions are not admissible as evidence to support your case.
 
orange&green84 said:
The fck do I care about first down stats? How about the front 7 of our defense dominating UNC and forcing 6 turnovers on the night. Offense wasn't perfect. But we had well over 200 yards in rushing and Perry was accurate with the ball and had a solid day outside of the first 2 drives to start the 2nd half. Miami broke off several big plays that negated picking up more 1st downs that you're keeping track of. Where do you think the improvement could've come from?
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Yeah, we ran for over 200 yards, but so did they. You don't think that could be improved?
 
ddann said:
Uh, yeah. That's how the gameday thread works.

Gameday thread overreactions are not admissible as evidence to support your case.
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I think it's just the opposite. The game thread is honesty in the moment. Post game is mob reinforcement of whatever people want to feel. After a win it's over the top things are great. After a loss, it's over the top fire everybody. I'm just saying this was a weird game and wasn't always reflective of the final score if you break it down play by play. Last year people talked themselves into the playoffs because they got blinded by all the turnovers and one truly great game. I'm always happy to win, but I watched the game closely enough not to be euphoric about what it shows with respect to where we are as a team.
 
K9s a great loyal fan who like many message board types doesn’t see the big picture. He loved Golden for awhile there. End of the day you can nitpick every play but 47-10 says it all.
 
k9cane said:
Miami hammered UNC, took care of business at home. But I dunno, that second half was tough to watch. Good news is that it's clear N'kosi Perry is now the starter at QB. Bottom line, every week the offense has to be expanded and you have let this kid grow into the job. He'll make mistakes(and he needs to do a better job in protecting the ball) but he gives this offense certain dimensions that Rosier could never give ou

- but that second half, geez, I mean, yeah I dont want to ***** and moan too much about a 47-10 victory but the way I look at it A) UNC is awful. For their fan base it's already hoops season. B) you want to keep creating momentum going into a rivalry game and C) You want to keep a certain level of play.

that's what the great teams do, that's what the elite coaches stress. Well, I would love to hear how Richt approaches this team in the post-game speech. If he's that guy to lead this program to a title, he's not happy about this game. Sorry, it was a **** show in the 3rd quarter vs a very bad team. Richt is a fine man, a good person - but gimme a red-*** like Saban who treat every play as if it's tied and stay on their players. Richt, simply doesn't give off that vibe. There's a reason why UGA wanted to bring in Smart - they knew Richt was limited in these areas. It truly is the little things that matter over a course of time

Yeah, I may be a tad harsh here but hey, that's how I feel, I hope Im proven wrong. But there was a chance to really keep building on a pretty good first half and they just laid an egg till UNC just gave up

- On the defense, this is the truth about Diaz - his units will always have a boom or bust quality to it. We as a fan base will just have to live with that. tonight, versus a putrid team it was very opportunistic. But against sounder squads, you wonder how long you can sustain this. At times they were swarming and really disrupting things, other times they couldn't set the edge, at all. Again, it's hit-or-miss with this unit

- Joe Jax played a very good game and Willis is the ultimate 'Trench Bully'(been the best player on this team in 18)

- Hey, can we give credit to Mike Smith, guy is flashing a lot and he's making plays out there. Honestly, he plays faster than our starting backers, as Gogeta4 mentioned

- Ahmonn Redshirt continues to look good on the sidelines in his sweatpants and jersey. OK, I kid, I kid, but is he ever going to play again? It's imperative that he and Jacquan Johnson are ready to go moving forward. But there comes a point where Richards just may not be a factor this season.

- Jeff Thomas I think had one target today. Yeah, this has to change versus the better teams. This is why Richt cant coach scared with Perry because if he does, 'the Jet'(who is Miami's most dangerous weapon) will be grounded. But it's good to see Mike Harley making plays, he and Perry already have a nice chemistry.

- One last thing that bugs me( I swear) can Richt and Searles just get the best 5 Olineman out there and run with them? Certain guys are a liability and you don't have to Alex Gibbs to figure that out.

- Deejay Dallas is our best RB, this is no knock on Homer. But Dallas has better vision, feet and the ability to run through tacklers. I've always felt that Homer was better as a 2nd back who gashes tired defenses late in games. I get the sense Richt should be leaning more on Dallas early in games, guy just consistently moves the chains.

- Anyway thats it, yeah, Im a bit bothered by that 3rd quarter. But hey, what do they say about winning? It beats losing. Now, they get extra prep time for FSU at home.
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Great post Steve. You pretty much nailed everything. I agree on every point. The idea of Richards redshirting has crossed my mind as well. Now if he can be 100% for FSU or shortly thereafter then great but he needs to be 100% or darn close to it.

I also think that Richt is over protecting Perry a bit. Richt is the type that fears the turnover so much that he ends up holding the offense back in the process. I knew in my gut after the 2nd turnover that he would go into a shell. I just feel that when you react in that manner on a regular basis, the team is going to play tentatively, and afraid to lose. I'm certainly not *****ing about a 47-10 beat down but it needs to be said. At some point Richt is just going to have to let go and let Perry sling it. It's going to be interesting to me to see how we come out vs FSU.

Defensively there were many positives but I admit I'm a bit miffed as to why we had the trouble we did against the run last night. As you mentioned, there is a feast or famine quality to this run defense and the D in general. We knew they were going to run the ball given their anemic passing game so the intermittent lapses in terms of setting the edge are honestly a bit baffling to me. I fully realize that many will say it is scheme related and it is to a point but that's not a good enough answer for me. It certainly isn't a talent issue. I don't care what kind of scheme you run, if you have the talent on defense to shut down the run but are inconsistent in doing so to me that lands squarely on Diaz in regard to his playcalling and alignments. Could it have something to do with Carter's youth and him not making the proper pre snap checks? Would it have been different with Jaquan in the game? Maybe/Probably. Could it be that Fedora did a good job with formation and personnel groupings and was able to scheme effectively in the run game against us? Sure but what bothers me is that I feel we should have had the answers relatively quickly but Diaz never completely adjusted. It didn't hurt us because we forced 6 turnovers but as someone posted in another thead, that is not sustainable especially against better competition. We need to figure that out and the sooner the better. I honestly think we will figure it out as the season progresses. Still, this was a great blowout victory against a conference opponent on national television. I'll take it.
 
I wouldn’t assume Richt is unconcerned about the 3rd quarter turnovers and the gash plays the defense surrendered early. He’s just not going to go into a post-game presser and publicly focus on mistakes when he just opened conference-divisional play with a a 37-point win. Yelling and screaming might seem like a positive but that’s not why Saban wins.

Enjoy it. Especially when you beat a HC you seem to dislike.

#beatFSU
 
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FrancisSaywer said:
Great post Steve. You pretty much nailed everything. I agree on every point. The idea of Richards redshirting has crossed my mind as well. Now if he can be 100% for FSU or shortly thereafter then great but he needs to be 100% or darn close to it.

I also think that Richt is over protecting Perry a bit. Richt is the type that fears the turnover so much that he ends up holding the offense back in the process. I knew in my gut after the 2nd turnover that he would go into a shell. I just feel that when you react in that manner on a regular basis, the team is going to play tentatively, and afraid to lose. I'm certainly not *****ing about a 47-10 beat down but it needs to be said. At some point Richt is just going to have to let go and let Perry sling it. It's going to be interesting to me to see how we come out vs FSU.

Defensively there were many positives but I admit I'm a bit miffed as to why we had the trouble we did against the run last night. As you mentioned, there is a feast or famine quality to this run defense and the D in general. We knew they were going to run the ball given their anemic passing game so the intermittent lapses in terms of setting the edge are honestly a bit baffling to me. I fully realize that many will say it is scheme related and it is to a point but that's not a good enough answer for me. It certainly isn't a talent issue. I don't care what kind of scheme you run, if you have the talent on defense to shut down the run but are inconsistent in doing so to me that lands squarely on Diaz in regard to his playcalling and alignments. Could it have something to do with Carter's youth and him not making the proper pre snap checks? Would it have been different with Jaquan in the game? Maybe/Probably. Could it be that Fedora did a good job with formation and personnel groupings and was able to scheme effectively in the run game against us? Sure but what bothers me is that I feel we should have had the answers relatively quickly but Diaz never completely adjusted. It didn't hurt us because we forced 6 turnovers but as someone posted in another thead, that is not sustainable especially against better competition. We need to figure that out and the sooner the better. I honestly think we will figure it out as the season progresses. Still, this was a great blowout victory against a conference opponent on national television. I'll take it.
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That's the thing, I really didnt want to come off as overly critical( seriously, I didnt, lol) but the variable here is that UNC is awful. Im not surprised by the score but there are things I saw that I didn't like. Hey, it is what it is. Most of my original post is actually positive it's that I do have lingering concerns about Richt's ability to get a team over the top.

Regardless, I appreciate the feedback. This is why message boards were created

I see great hope in Perry and the WR's - Oline still needs to be developed - and the defense has a lot of future NFL guys. So yeah, I have high expectations. Perhaps I should temper them a bit
 
k9cane said:
That's the thing, I really didnt want to come off as overly critical( seriously, I didnt, lol) but the variable here is that UNC is awful. Im not surprised by the score but there are things I saw that I didn't like. Hey, it is what it is. Most of my original post is actually positive it's that I do have lingering concerns about Richt's ability to get a team over the top.

Regardless, I appreciate the feedback. This is why message boards were created

I see great hope in Perry and the WR's - Oline still needs to be developed - and the defense has a lot of future NFL guys. So yeah, I have high expectations. Perhaps I should temper them a bit
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Imagine how miserable of a ***** you; have to be to write an essay *****ing and moaning about a 47-10 conference win.

No other fanbase has such miserable humans. and no, message boards exists for discussion. And this is a Miami message board. You're just **** talking the team you claim to be a "fan" of.

we could have won 500-0 and you would complain because you think "UNC sucks"
 
TheRichtShow said:
Imagine how miserable of a ***** you; have to be to write an essay *****ing and moaning about a 47-10 conference win.

No other fanbase has such miserable humans. and no, message boards exists for discussion. And this is a Miami message board. You're just **** talking the team you claim to be a "fan" of.

we could have won 500-0 and you would complain because you think "UNC sucks"
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Miserable is your middle name.... Imagine getting your panties in a bunch over a message board post. Yeah, UNC sucks - almost as bad as you.

Remember that whiny DM you sent me? Seriously, that was funny(but not in a ha ha way)
 
k9cane said:
That's the thing, I really didnt want to come off as overly critical( seriously, I didnt, lol) but the variable here is that UNC is awful. Im not surprised by the score but there are things I saw that I didn't like. Hey, it is what it is. Most of my original post is actually positive it's that I do have lingering concerns about Richt's ability to get a team over the top.

Regardless, I appreciate the feedback. This is why message boards were created

I see great hope in Perry and the WR's - Oline still needs to be developed - and the defense has a lot of future NFL guys. So yeah, I have high expectations. Perhaps I should temper them a bit
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It's all good. I had no problem at all with your post and I agreed with everything you said. I share the same concerns and have the same high expectations for this team. My concern with Richt is basically the same as yours. Its not something that is at the forefront of my mind but the concern that Richt won't be able to get us over the top is a thought that constantly lingers in the back of my mind. Is Richt Marty Schottenheimer or is he Tony Dungy/Roy Williams? I think that is the key question here. Once again great post and I agree 100%.
 
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