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Small 2022 Classes

CAT5Coming

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It's been widely reported that due to Covid waivers/super seniors there will be a giant reduction in the number of football players receiving scholarships in the 2022, maybe 30 to 40% less. Bruce Feldman and Stewart Mandel discussed this on their Audible podcast a few weeks back and after interviewing a group of coaches they speculated that most top programs were planning to sign 15-18 players in the class.

Also here is a quote from Greg Biggins of 247 Sports which gets right to the point:

"Now, the '22 class however, you've got to get back to that 85-man [roster]. Basically, you're looking at a very small 2022 class for a lot of schools. It's also not just the seniors re-classifying. It's everybody, so you're not going to have a lot of space available for that 2022 class. It could be between 10 and 15, so a lot of colleges are maybe being careful on how many rides they offer. And if you're a player, you better jump on that quick, right, because you don't know how many spots you have. If you're a quarterback especially you want to be quick and jump on the school you like. That's why I keep saying that the 2022 class is going to be a smaller one."

This means a lot of top quality kids that are waiting for the Bama, Clemson, OSU offer that would be forthcoming in a normal year are going to have to go to plan B. You add in the fact that college coaches haven't seen most of these kids play in an actual football game in person you are going to have even more missed evals than usual and kids emerging after breakout HS senior seasons.

So while all the CIS recruiting board chicken littles get in their feelings this July there is a unique, legitimate and strategic advantage to having open spots in your 2022 signing class, and it must be acknowledged this is a completely different year than any before it numbers-wise.

You can say what you will about Manny's results on the field, but he has certainly been strategic and calculating off the field, with the transfer portal and NLI. Bolden, Phillips, King, Rambo, Stevenson, Deandre Johnson, Cody Brown, Isiah Wilson, Jarrid Williams - show me a program that has better leveraged an unknown like the portal to its advantage. There have certainly been misses this cycle already, but no need for Canes tears because the rollercoaster is just getting started. Enjoy the ride fellas we will be fine.
 

305407cane

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I believe the issue is some schools don’t have the money to carry that many scholarship athletes. But then also if you let football have more you have to let women’s volleyball have more. Which adds up monetarily. Cause whatever the football players get the other athletes get too. Even tho they don’t being in any money to the school
 

90scane

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Wow this makes everything very interesting, I would like to see a break down of our roster how many seniors we have
8 Seniors
8 Walk-ons that were given ships
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16 spots before other departures as we are likely around 85 kids on ships.
Assuming 7-8 departures (transfers, medical retirements, NFL draft) and we can sign 23 kids.
We are using 2 of the '22 spots on late additions to the '21 roster.

A team like Bama will have close to 105 kids on ships in '21. For Bama to sign 15 kids in '22, they would have to have 35 kids leave the program. This is why Earl Little Jr could end up in a Miami Uni. All that said, the NCAA could very well grant another year of additional counters over 85.

FSU, Miami, and VT are the 3 teams that were well below the 85 in '20 thus allowing them to sign full classes in '21 and '22.
 

BS85

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It's been widely reported that due to Covid waivers/super seniors there will be a giant reduction in the number of football players receiving scholarships in the 2022, maybe 30 to 40% less. Bruce Feldman and Stewart Mandel discussed this on their Audible podcast a few weeks back and after interviewing a group of coaches they speculated that most top programs were planning to sign 15-18 players in the class.

Also here is a quote from Greg Biggins of 247 Sports which gets right to the point:



This means a lot of top quality kids that are waiting for the Bama, Clemson, OSU offer that would be forthcoming in a normal year are going to have to go to plan B. You add in the fact that college coaches haven't seen most of these kids play in an actual football game in person you are going to have even more missed evals than usual and kids emerging after breakout HS senior seasons.

So while all the CIS recruiting board chicken littles get in their feelings this July there is a unique, legitimate and strategic advantage to having open spots in your 2022 signing class, and it must be acknowledged this is a completely different year than any before it numbers-wise.

You can say what you will about Manny's results on the field, but he has certainly been strategic and calculating off the field, with the transfer portal and NLI. Bolden, Phillips, King, Rambo, Stevenson, Deandre Johnson, Cody Brown, Isiah Wilson, Jarrid Williams - show me a program that has better leveraged an unknown like the portal to its advantage. There have certainly been misses this cycle already, but no need for Canes tears because the rollercoaster is just getting started. Enjoy the ride fellas we will be fine.
Great post
 

TRick72

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It's been widely reported that due to Covid waivers/super seniors there will be a giant reduction in the number of football players receiving scholarships in the 2022, maybe 30 to 40% less. Bruce Feldman and Stewart Mandel discussed this on their Audible podcast a few weeks back and after interviewing a group of coaches they speculated that most top programs were planning to sign 15-18 players in the class.

Also here is a quote from Greg Biggins of 247 Sports which gets right to the point:



This means a lot of top quality kids that are waiting for the Bama, Clemson, OSU offer that would be forthcoming in a normal year are going to have to go to plan B. You add in the fact that college coaches haven't seen most of these kids play in an actual football game in person you are going to have even more missed evals than usual and kids emerging after breakout HS senior seasons.

So while all the CIS recruiting board chicken littles get in their feelings this July there is a unique, legitimate and strategic advantage to having open spots in your 2022 signing class, and it must be acknowledged this is a completely different year than any before it numbers-wise.

You can say what you will about Manny's results on the field, but he has certainly been strategic and calculating off the field, with the transfer portal and NLI. Bolden, Phillips, King, Rambo, Stevenson, Deandre Johnson, Cody Brown, Isiah Wilson, Jarrid Williams - show me a program that has better leveraged an unknown like the portal to its advantage. There have certainly been misses this cycle already, but no need for Canes tears because the rollercoaster is just getting started. Enjoy the ride fellas we will be fine.
As usual it sucks that the NCAA has dragged their feet and not addressed this. Unfortunately it will only hurt the athletes. Also, don’t worry about Bama, they will still sign more than 25 and tell the NCAA to go fück themselves to which Emmert will grab the Vaseline and comply.
 

JD08

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There are also 2500 players in the portal. Why take a chance on a 3 star long snapper when you can pick up a 4 star with film of his college games already out there.

The NCAA will need to figure out that situation pretty soon.
 

IndayArtHauz

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There are also 2500 players in the portal. Why take a chance on a 3 star long snapper when you can pick up a 4 star with film of his college games already out there.

The NCAA will need to figure out that situation pretty soon.
The compounding issue is that we are tunneling our perspective through CFB almost exclusively. You can expand a football roster by another 5 guys for a year or two, but you cannot require that for all non revenue sports — which Title IX would. I don’t give the NCAA credit for any of this, but their hands are tied to some degree on this. That, from what I’ve heard, is why this issue isn’t being resolved as quickly as it was started.
 

JD08

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The compounding issue is that we are tunneling our perspective through CFB almost exclusively. You can expand a football roster by another 5 guys for a year or two, but you cannot require that for all non revenue sports — which Title IX would. I don’t give the NCAA credit for any of this, but their hands are tied to some degree on this. That, from what I’ve heard, is why this issue isn’t being resolved as quickly as it was started.
I don't disagree that it has an easy solution, but if 20% of the FBS schools reserve 5 places for transfers, that's 130 high school players that won't get scholarships. It's kind of hard to claim to be helping student athletes when you're helping to prevent them from going to college.
 

90scane

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There are also 2500 players in the portal. Why take a chance on a 3 star long snapper when you can pick up a 4 star with film of his college games already out there.

The NCAA will need to figure out that situation pretty soon.

There is a simple reason. The average stay for portal kids isn't 3.5 years.

25 class spots * 3.4 years = 85 kids on roster.

I'd guess that our portal kids are more likely 1.5 years averaged and not all of them have played all the years here. Thus, we can take portal kids that have 2+ years left without risking playing well below 85 in the future. The rest have to come from HS and get developed.

I'd actually say that we need to lean away from the portal more with the risk of losing kids to higher-paying programs after 1-2 years on campus. Lets hope the NCAA addresses some unique portal cases like Medical(or outright) Retirements, NFL departures, transfers without playing a snap...
 

90scane

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I don't disagree that it has an easy solution, but if 20% of the FBS schools reserve 5 places for transfers, that's 130 high school players that won't get scholarships. It's kind of hard to claim to be helping student athletes when you're helping to prevent them from going to college.

Your math is off. The transfers aren't the issue most of the time as teams have additional class counters but not 85 roster counters (most of the time). Thus, there are only so many kids playing D1 sports. COVID's extra year is the bigger issue.
 

DTP

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Currently, Miami is at 90 scholarships on football. If it's true that they have to be back at the 85 scholarship limit by next year, they are almost certainly not going to use all 25 IC spots for 2022.

Also, that small handful of walk-ons who have been getting the last remaining scholarships will be paying tuition again.
 

JD08

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Your math is off. The transfers aren't the issue most of the time as teams have additional class counters but not 85 roster counters (most of the time). Thus, there are only so many kids playing D1 sports. COVID's extra year is the bigger issue.
130 FBS schools x 20% = 26. 26 x 5 = 130. There will be variations based on IC usage, but not accommodating transferring students will result in fewer HS offers.

Now you can make an argument that the sudden surge of portal jumpers ending up going nowhere will result in less transfers down the road, but again, is the NCAA really helping the student athlete?

Yes, the portal should be for a few weak areas, development is critical.
 

Odin

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When there was talk earlier about this been a smaller class the sentiment was the remaining spots would be used on portal kids.Not that there would not be the 23 available spots now.
 

da truth

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It's been widely reported that due to Covid waivers/super seniors there will be a giant reduction in the number of football players receiving scholarships in the 2022, maybe 30 to 40% less. Bruce Feldman and Stewart Mandel discussed this on their Audible podcast a few weeks back and after interviewing a group of coaches they speculated that most top programs were planning to sign 15-18 players in the class.

Also here is a quote from Greg Biggins of 247 Sports which gets right to the point:



This means a lot of top quality kids that are waiting for the Bama, Clemson, OSU offer that would be forthcoming in a normal year are going to have to go to plan B. You add in the fact that college coaches haven't seen most of these kids play in an actual football game in person you are going to have even more missed evals than usual and kids emerging after breakout HS senior seasons.

So while all the CIS recruiting board chicken littles get in their feelings this July there is a unique, legitimate and strategic advantage to having open spots in your 2022 signing class, and it must be acknowledged this is a completely different year than any before it numbers-wise.

You can say what you will about Manny's results on the field, but he has certainly been strategic and calculating off the field, with the transfer portal and NLI. Bolden, Phillips, King, Rambo, Stevenson, Deandre Johnson, Cody Brown, Isiah Wilson, Jarrid Williams - show me a program that has better leveraged an unknown like the portal to its advantage. There have certainly been misses this cycle already, but no need for Canes tears because the rollercoaster is just getting started. Enjoy the ride fellas we will be fine.
probably effects fcs and d2 as well. Wonder if prep schools will get a bunch of sleepers as well as juco?
 
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