Slightly OT: UGA as barometer

[gogeta4]

UGA, Bama, LSU, OU, Clemson all have one thing in common & it has chit do w/ the players they recruit. They put an absolute premium on S&C. We USED to put a premium on this, but we are spotty af. These programs have world class strength coaches, nutritionist, and use technology to enhance what’s already used.

If imma b honest; I would trade in that IPF for an optimum S&C. S&C is just as important as coaching.

Not true.

LSU forever has dudes go to the combine lookin like sh*t.

UGA and Bama run hybrid 3-4 schemes....THEY RECRUIT BIGGER PLAYERS.

I dont know what so hard to realize that they are bigger...they recruit for it in their scheme on defense.

On offense they recruit bigger OL as well...(Bama and UGA usually have some huge guys coming in)...


Its not even fair to ocmpare the trenches when we are honestly doing different things defensively. I mean we play guys at 270 at DT....they recruit 330-340 pd incoming freshman at dt...UF signed a 400 pounder last class.

I dont want UGA as a barometer for anything since they havent won anything worth a sh*t since ive been alive

 

[Rellyrell]

Not true.

LSU forever has dudes go to the combine lookin like sh*t.

UGA and Bama run hybrid 3-4 schemes....THEY RECRUIT BIGGER PLAYERS.

I dont know what so hard to realize that they are bigger...they recruit for it in their scheme on defense.

On offense they recruit bigger OL as well...(Bama and UGA usually have some huge guys coming in)...


Its not even fair to ocmpare the trenches when we are honestly doing different things defensively. I mean we play guys at 270 at DT....they recruit 330-340 pd incoming freshman at dt...UF signed a 400 pounder last class.

I dont want UGA as a barometer for anything since they havent won anything worth a sh*t since ive been alive

Bro, stop it. Look, I respect u, but Man U allow ur fandom to overtake rationale. LSU has Freggin Moffitt as their S&C. U’re talking NFL combine & I’m talking CFB. U know how many Bama players have looked like chit at the NFL combine? Miami players? Like come on, dog.

It doesn’t matter how “big” a player u recruit, it VERY much matters what S&C regimen a player is in. It HELLLLLLA matters how said recruit is being coached up as. Donaldson is big af, and gets pushed around like a shopping cart. Cameron is pretty stout for a RB, and can’t break a tackle worth chit. Fat boy Lucas was big as **** at FSU, and did chit.

****, even Saban himself commented on how important the Strength & Conditioning team is to his entire programs success.

 

[SayWhat]

The elites get the elite body types with elite measurables. It's been that way forever, but technology has made the world a much closer place where you can watch every game on television. Phones can do video calls and you can call at anytime or anyplace.

Lots of kids used to stay home or close to it since it's tough for any parent to make all the games. Now, you don't feel the distance like you used to is what I'm getting at.

What all of this creates is an opportunity like never before for teams to stockpile talent. Technology has been a gamechanger so it comes down to investment by the university. Those willing to hire the best coaches, will win.

 

[gogeta4]

Bro, stop it. Look, I respect u, but Man U allow ur fandom to overtake rationale. LSU has Freggin Moffitt as their S&C. U’re talking NFL combine & I’m talking CFB. U know how many Bama players have looked like chit at the NFL combine? Miami players? Like come on, dog.

It doesn’t matter how “big” a player u recruit, it VERY much matters what S&C regimen a player is in. It HELLLLLLA matters how said recruit is being coached up as. Donaldson is big af, and gets pushed around like a shopping cart. Cameron is pretty stout for a RB, and can’t break a tackle worth chit. Fat boy Lucas was big as **** at FSU, and did chit.

****, even Saban himself commented on how important the Strength & Conditioning team is to his entire programs success.

LSU won a chip because of them having insane amount of talent at skill positions on offense...and a elite offensive play caller. They werent physically imposing whtaso ever recently. They were fast as **** though..but recruited those guys incoming with speed.

There is a difference between big and fat. Donaldson and Lucas appear to be the latter.

Its easy for guys to look a certainw ay in s&c ...when they are COMING in looking like that. Do you think Bama had anything to do with Naje Harris body physique and athleticism?. Son had personal trainers since he was in like 9th or 10th grade. It is what it is...you recruit James Williams types...they dont shrink when they get to college...you land back to back to back of Leonard Taylor's and you have what Bama has. The thing about us is we havent put too many of those back to back classes together..we recently did with theprior two...This szn was 1 chalked up to be able to expand on that....BUT it looks like we will be in flux recruiting again with a coach that looks to be about to get canned at the end of the year.

 

[Super Mario Cane.]

The most ridiculous excuse I have ever heard. More so than paying the players...ask Tyrick how much he was paid at Uga. They just have a coach trained under Bowden and especially Saban and learned the standard....to what it takes to win(our coach does not have a clue)and is arguably the best recruiter in the cfb and has loaded his roster up with top players who want to go there(seeyaShamir)....now he is beginning to stack qb’s..plus he has an unlimited budget....I do not see them losing possibly until they meet Alabama because of their suffocating defense...

Uhhh that’s not an excuse. I’m from Albany GA (where the top headman who handled the bag game for Georgia and and Kirby is from). Trust me , Kirby would’ve never taken the job if they didn’t have boosters willing to pay top dollar for recruits. As far as PEDs. That’s also true. It’s been common knowledge for a while now that Bama S&C staff utilizes not only anabolics but also top androgens and biomarkers. Some of that former Bama staff now works for UGA. Tommy Moffit has the same thing going at LSU to a slightly lesser extent. In 1998 Moffit and a baby faced assistant by the name of Andrew Swasey obtained high grade HGH and synthetic testosterone and used it on our players. That is why we looked physically imposing back then.
Couldn’t careless if you choose to believe it or not. What’s done is done, and what is fact is fact, regardless of your personal feelings.

 

[Cribby]

Watch Kirby beat Nicky in Atlanta and then blow it when it counts in the playoff.

Nothing surprises me with Smart as HC

 

[Bender]

Uhhh that’s not an excuse. I’m from Albany GA (where the top headman who handled the bag game for Georgia and and Kirby is from). Trust me , Kirby would’ve never taken the job if they didn’t have boosters willing to pay top dollar for recruits. As far as PEDs. That’s also true. It’s been common knowledge for a while now that Bama S&C staff utilizes not only anabolics but also top androgens and biomarkers. Some of that former Bama staff now works for UGA. Tommy Moffit has the same thing going at LSU to a slightly lesser extent. In 1998 Moffit and a baby faced assistant by the name of Andrew Swasey obtained high grade HGH and synthetic testosterone and used it on our players. That is why we looked physically imposing back then.
Couldn’t careless if you choose to believe it or not. What’s done is done, and what is fact is fact, regardless of your personal feelings.

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lance armstrong was the best at doping in a sport, where doping was needed to even compete... he was the best and most advanced at hiding it, thats how he did it.

 

[DeanCane]

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lance armstrong was the best at doping in a sport, where doping was needed to even compete... he was the best and most advanced at hiding it, thats how he did it.

WTF are we doing. Why are our players not using said "chips".... The good old fashion article years back confessions of a bag man.... Why the **** are we not participating in any of these fun activities. Are our bag men just sloppy and will get caught? Or are they just to cheap to keep up with the "Bama's"

Meet the bag man: 10 rules for paying college players

How to buy college football players, in the words of men who deliver the money.

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[AlexCane]

Some of you are so [understandably] disenchanted with the program that you think everything is broken. It's not.

I have been on campus at UM (I still use the gym) fairly consistently since 1999 or so. I routinely bump into the players and I have for years. This team-physically-is impressive. It's why I was so hyped for this season. These guys look different than any team I can recall in the last decade. We have a veteran team; guys with 3+ years in a college weight room are gonna look different than a young team. This is our oldest team in a while (hence why the results this year are so disappointing).

Now, are we on the level of UGA, Bama, OSU, etc.? No. But I attribute that more to the fact that they are getting the top of the line recruits that are usually going to be more college ready than a lower ranked recruit. Consider how 56 and 0 look compared to most of our DT and DB recruits over the years.

I think Feeley is more than capable. I have some contacts in the S&C community that speak very highly of him (who, BTW, did not speak highly of Gus or Swasey). I think we're fine in this regard. Unfortunately, we just suck.

 

[LuCane]

Miami used to be the ones who looked different. Now it’s the Bamas, LSU’s , Uga’s and Osu’s.

During what phase did Miami look "different" (presumably bigger, more physical) than other teams?

 

[Cribby]

During what phase did Miami look "different" (presumably bigger, more physical) than other teams?

80-90’s and the early 2000’s we looked as good off the bus as anyone. I’m not even saying big as much as ripped , freakish. I actually remember a comment from an announcer years ago talking about Lsu. He was like “ Lsu looks like Miami players used to look”.

We haven’t looked like that in a long time.

 

[LuCane]

80-90’s and the early 2000’s we looked as good off the bus as anyone. I’m not even saying big as much as ripped , freakish. I actually remember a comment from an announcer years ago talking about Lsu. He was like “ Lsu looks like Miami players used to look”.

We haven’t looked like that in a long time.

Sounds like the announcer was making things up based on assumptions because we used to be good. We've never been big. We were athletic. And, FAST. You can't see speed. Never had size. We had a random guy with size here or there. Other teams in the mid 80s and 90s were entirely bigger than we were.

 

[Cribby]

Sounds like the announcer was making things up based on assumptions because we used to be good. We've never been big. We were athletic. And, FAST. You can't see speed. Never had size. We had a random guy with size here or there. Other teams in the mid 80s and 90s were entirely bigger than we were.

I said i didn’t mean “big“ we all know we were not huge versus other schools . But all of our guys were specimens , they looked different. A big guy doesn’t mean youre jacked or a specimen. Look at Ray Lewis, he was considered undersized for a mike but he looked like a monster . Dude was shredded . Most of our guys looked different versus other teams. Nobody on our team now looks like Rolles, Lewis , Williams , Beason types. You knew you were looking at great athletes when you saw those guys.

 

[ScubaCane]

I said i didn’t mean “big“ we all know we were not huge versus other schools . But all of our guys were specimens , they looked different. A big guy doesn’t mean youre jacked or a specimen. Look at Ray Lewis, he was considered undersized for a mike but he looked like a monster . Dude was shredded . Most of our guys looked different versus other teams. Nobody on our team now looks like Rolles, Lewis , Beasons, Bailey types. You knew you were looking at great athletes when you saw those guys.

Didn't Zook make a comment about how different our team looked than UF when we whipped them in '02 in Gainesville?

 

[LoungeLord]

Been lurking at @Alex Jones, @DMoney, @Liberty City El, @SouthParkCane and other great posters from the shadows over the years.

Went up to Athens for a bachelor party this past weekend and noticed their players physically are just at a different level. Since spectators can go down to the hedges you can really see and feel what a Davis, R. Smith and Washington look like physically. I know these guys are paid handsomely for their services but am I crazy for thinking we can recruit that type of talent with a new staff and the NIL in our back pocket? As @DMoney pointed out last year it’s SIZE and SPEED. It’s a dog**** year but I’m thinking about how we turn the corner. GOCANES!

Yeah, never ending Georgia news.

 

[razrcane]

sadly this is UGA's year....I am not sure even Kirby can fck it up..

Oh he can

 

[LuCane]

I said i didn’t mean “big“ we all know we were not huge versus other schools . But all of our guys were specimens , they looked different. A big guy doesn’t mean youre jacked or a specimen. Look at Ray Lewis, he was considered undersized for a mike but he looked like a monster . Dude was shredded . Most of our guys looked different versus other teams. Nobody on our team now looks like Rolles, Lewis , Beasons, Bailey types. You knew you were looking at great athletes when you saw those guys.

Just don't see it, man. I was around campus during those years - on and off for almost 7 years between undergrad and grad school. For every Ray Lewis, Rolle (who came in jacked, btw), and Bailey, we had starters who were just athletic and actually small compared to other teams.

Yeah, Sean Taylor *came in* huge and grew. Mo Sikes wasn't that different than when he played HS for Pace. Ed Reed wasn't the most "physically imposing" dude. There was nothing about just looking at him that told you he was the athletic stud with the insane balance he flashed on the field. Neither was Clinton Portis. Someone saw Kelly Jennings come off the bus and was impressed? See what happens when we use singular examples?

We did go through a period with Tommy where guys were jacked, but even then, take a look at our roster. It was comparatively small and speed-based. There are guys on the team now who compare.

Think this is a false narrative. We don't suck as bad as we do because of our size or physical fitness. We do because we're poorly prepared to play tackle football.

 

[Cribby]

Just don't see it, man. I was around campus during those years - on and off for almost 7 years between undergrad and grad school. For every Ray Lewis, Rolle (who came in jacked, btw), and Bailey, we had starters who were just athletic and actually small compared to other teams.

Yeah, Sean Taylor *came in* huge and grew. Mo Sikes wasn't that different than when he played HS for Pace. Ed Reed wasn't the most "physically imposing" dude. There was nothing about just looking at him that told you he was the athletic stud with the insane balance he flashed on the field. Neither was Clinton Portis. Someone saw Kelly Jennings come off the bus and was impressed? See what happens when we use singular examples?

We did go through a period with Tommy where guys were jacked, but even then, take a look at our roster. It was comparatively small and speed-based. There are guys on the team now who compare.

Think this is a false narrative. We don't suck as bad as we do because of our size or physical fitness. We do because we're poorly prepared to play tackle football.

Once again you keep talking huge / big, I’m not . It’s like looking at a thoroughbred. You see something that just looks powerful and athletic. Lsu in the early mid 2000’s had that look.

I can see a 6’4 280 pound dude that doesn’t look athletic but he’s a big guy. Then see a 6’2 230 pound guy shredded , vascular and you just know this is an athlete. That’s what I saw in our day. Now it seems like they’re more bloated looking or not much definition . Tyrique is one of the few that look like a rolle. Even though he’s not as shredded.

The early 80’s and 90’s was a bigger difference. But let’s not be naive , there was steroids around the program then.

Im going yo stop now before this gets super *** and we start breaking down shirtless pics from back in the day.

 

[1mg of Epi]

It’s not really the recruiting, the Strength & Conditioning program that they’re in once they hit campus...

The reason why the SEC powerhouses all look physically different is because they literally are, they cycle those boys up with top of the line Dianabol & other high performance anabolic PED’s, they fast track their development process sevenfold. They get kids who are already bigger than most of their peers & typically more athletically gifted & give them that super booster UGA/Bama special in the offseason, then all of the sudden they go from being really good 18-22 year old football players to being high caliber Super humans who are ready to play in the NFL while still being in college.

Could we recruit that? Well no... Maybe if we had a better staff & program altogether, but as it currently stands no we can’t recruit the same caliber of athlete that Bama/UGA/Clemson/LSU/OH St etc are recruiting on an annual basis.

But, we can do the next best thing & still recruit better overall & become a more competitive team, but make no mistake about it we don’t need UGA’s roster to beat UVA, we just need a competent coach that understands how to build & maintain a program.

Why would they use such an easily detected drug when there are newer, less likely detectable options?

Actually, what is the PED testing regiment in CFB nowadays?

 

[LuCane]

Once again you keep talking huge / big, I’m not . It’s like looking at a thoroughbred. You see something that just looks powerful and athletic. Lsu in the early mid 2000’s had that look.

I can see a 6’4 280 pound dude that doesn’t look athletic but he’s a big guy. Then see a 6’2 230 pound guy shredded , vascular and you just know this is an athlete. That’s what I saw in our day. Now it seems like they’re more bloated looking or not much definition . Tyrique is one of the few that look like a rolle. Even though he’s not as shredded.

The early 80’s and 90’s was a bigger difference. But let’s not be naive , there was steroids around the program then.

Im going yo stop now before this gets super *** and we start breaking down shirtless pics from back in the day.

lol. No need to make it weird with pictures. We see this one differently is all. Tyrique does look big. But, he just got here from somewhere else. Anyway, I was never overly impressed by how our team looked compared to other teams. We just had really good, fast football players who loved playing tackle football and were better prepared by their coaches to do so. We have some guys on the current team who look solid coming off the bus, but play like flag football players during the 11 on 11 tackle portion of the day.