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Since we are doing a thorough OC search why not have some NFL candidates?

cleverjdub said:
And how do we know this? You are doing exactly what you said fans make the mistake of doing assume. Also I guess Lincoln Riley or Kliff Kingsbury has aspirations of being a HC in the NFL one day as well since their names keep coming up, but hey that didn’t stop Riley from being OU’s head coach for the time being.
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I don't know but that's my entire point: We have zero clue how these searches play out.
 
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Anybody recall what happened with Mark Richt brought Brian Schottenheimer in from the NFL to be his OC at UGA?

I know Richt isn't around anymore, but it's a good reminder.
 
1. All those guys the OP mentioned are currently with playoff teams, which means a likely wait to hire an OC.
2. We do not know if the ones mentioned even have aspirations of coaching in college. HC maybe, but if I am an NFL OC, why would I want to drop down to the college level?
3. With the exception of Fisch because he was at Miami before, we don't know how these guys would be as recruiters. OP is making the erroneous assumption that success in the NFL automatically translates to success in college. Lots of unknowns with the guys mentioned.
 
caneworld said:
Most of them hate recruiting...
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Again we know this how? Harbough did both and came back when he didn’t have too. Hmm think about. Brian Dabol went to Alabama as OC and then back to the NFL. If we want to pretend we want to be Bama having coaches specifically coordinators succeed and then bounce to the NFL or college HCs is good for us. That’s exactly what happens when we ruled college football did y’all for get. If you win big time your coaches will get poached because everyone wants a piece of the pie of success.
 
Gsugradcanefan said:
1. All those guys the OP mentioned are currently with playoff teams, which means a likely wait to hire an OC.
2. We do not know if the ones mentioned even have aspirations of coaching in college. HC maybe, but if I am an NFL OC, why would I want to drop down to the college level?
3. With the exception of Fisch because he was at Miami before, we don't know how these guys would be as recruiters. OP is making the erroneous assumption that success in the NFL automatically translates to success in college. Lots of unknowns with the guys mentioned.
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I can tell you didn’t read the post, none of those guys are calling plays and the few that are OCs do not call plays and have Co titles. The OP is just bringing up alternatives and how to conduct a full thorough search. And just because they are in the playoffs doesn’t not stop them or their agents from showing interest in other coaching positions, where have you been why is Josh McDaniels and other names keep coming up for HC jobs in the NFL. SMH you are out of touch with how the process work on being able to show interest and even interview despite your team still being in the playoffs.
 
cleverjdub said:
With new names or at least candidates outside of Fedora and Applewhite coming into the fray as possible OC why not also take a look at a few candidates from modern offenses in the NFL. If we are truly conducting a thorough search to find an OC with a modern offense then we should search not just in college but also the NFL.

With teams like the Chiefs, Rams, Saints, and Eagles all running modern offenses, why not see if there any candidates on their staff who would bring some modernization to our offense. Of course it goes without saying that we probably wouldn't be getting an OC from one of these teams to come here and be an OC but why not look at QB coach or offensive assistant who has had previous experience as a play caller. And before all the pessimist say you can't hire someone without an extensive history of calling plays look no further than the best offensive in the NFL, the Kansas City Chiefs OC Eric Bieniemy. Most of us would kill for that offense or him as a coordinator but what people don't look at is was only the OC for the University of Colorado from 2011-2012 and only called plays for that 1 year if at all prior to calling plays this season. Currently everyone is drooling over him despite the lack of an extensive history or calling plays. My point is innovation and organization can produce results regardless of experience. Sean McVay is another coach he defied the odds of experience and shown that his brilliance can make up for the deficiencies of long time coaching experience.

I am not saying we shouldn't hire someone with college OC experience either, I am just saying that Manny should at least take a look and interview a few of the candidate below and see if they blow him away with their details and plan the way he did with our Administration.

----- Kansas City Quarterbacks – Mike Kafka (Played the QB position has no prior play calling experience but obviously this has worked in Kansas City and in particular under Andy Reid think Doug Pederson little experience calling plays under Reid. Admit would have to show Sean McVay type qualities with him being such a young coach)

----- Los Angeles Rams Senior offensive assistant – Jedd Fisch (obviously a retread but has experience calling plays and has to have learned from his time with the Rams)

----- New Orleans Saints Offensive coordinator – Pete Carmichael (Long time Saints staffer has to know Sean Payton's system in and out)
----- New Orleans Saints Offensive coordinator Quarterbacks – Joe Lombardi (OC experience)


----- Philadelphia Eagles Offensive Coordinator – Mike Groh (Prior OC experience and college coaching experience)
----- Philadelphia Eagles Quarterbacks – Press Taylor (Another that would have to show Sean McVay type qualities with him being such a young coach)
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I would take Kafka in a heartbeat. He'll definitely be calling plays in the NFL soon enough.
 
DTP said:
Every "innovative" mind in the NFL is just copying what college guys have been doing for years anyway. Besides, I doubt a coveted NFL coordinator is going to take a demotion to a college coordinator position.
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You didn’t read either not every guy on the list is a coordinator, it would be silly for a QB coach not consider taking a college OC job. Perfect example many on here want Dorsey as an OC for us but he has only been a QB coach in the NFL that is not a demotion that is the natural progression.
 
Dwinstitles said:
Alot of these guys in the nfl and in college are part of a clique, its why when they get these jobs they do terrible. Its like they never earned it and to me its too risky u need someone who understand college and what goes on in the backrounds aka recruiting.
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Let me ask you how did Brian Dabol do for Alabama? All hires are a risk even Applewhite and Diaz for that matter. Interviewing other candidates to see what their plan would be and how they think never hurts. In fact it gives Diaz an idea a wide range of how others would approach offense and plan.
 
cleverjdub said:
Let me ask you how did Brian Dabol do for Alabama? All hires are a risk even Applewhite and Diaz for that matter. Interviewing other candidates to see what their plan would be and how they think never hurts. In fact it gives Diaz an idea a wide range of how others would approach offense and plan.
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your right every hire is a risk until that guy proves it, thats just the way it goes
 
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djnellz said:
I personally like Kafka. I remember him. Good kid from Northwestern. Would do wonders with the offense. Could make any of our headaches at QB legit. Andy bought him in like he did Dougie P, but Mike is a young up and come IN THE NFL. Doubt he goes college ranks. He's gonna be a head coach in the league in 5 to 10 years.
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Thank you for legitimizing my post was bait to see if anyone on CIS knew Metamorphosis was Franz Kafka's greatest work.
 
According to the wackos on this site, Manny needs a prior working relationship with them.
 
cleverjdub said:
I can tell you didn’t read the post, none of those guys are calling plays and the few that are OCs do not call plays and have Co titles. The OP is just bringing up alternatives and how to conduct a full thorough search. And just because they are in the playoffs doesn’t not stop them or their agents from showing interest in other coaching positions, where have you been why is Josh McDaniels and other names keep coming up for HC jobs in the NFL. SMH you are out of touch with how the process work on being able to show interest and even interview despite your team still being in the playoffs.
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Nah I read the post and what the OP is recommending is a reach. He's assuming that those people mentioned have interest in the Miami OC position. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. I am willing to bet they have aspirations for higher positions with NFL teams versus college, but that is just my opinion. Also, it is unknown whether or not they will be successful at this level. You guys are out here thinking that NFL success/working with teams in the playoffs = collegiate success.
 
First off why would they want to leave the NFL for college. Secondly if they are NFL guys they would prob only be here short time. It seems there is a vast difference between NFL and college coaching and typically they excel at one or the other but not both. There are exceptions... I think we need to scour the college ranks for guys that want to coach college. Just my .02
 
Gsugradcanefan said:
Nah I read the post and what the OP is recommending is a reach. He's assuming that those people mentioned have interest in the Miami OC position. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. I am willing to bet they have aspirations for higher positions with NFL teams versus college, but that is just my opinion. Also, it is unknown whether or not they will be successful at this level. You guys are out here thinking that NFL success/working with teams in the playoffs = collegiate success.
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Bottom line my point is that we can’t say who would be interested until offered. If a position coach has aspiration of being a coordinator or HC for that matter there is no better way to become a coordinator if you get offered a coordinator job and you are currently a position coach and the same goes for HC or play caller or whatever the aspirations are. As I said earlier succes is guaranteed for no one but to pretend like this level is somehow so different that these coaches would forget how to do their profession is silly. Of course there are some nuances that are different but at the end of the day they are coaches and that’s what they need to be able to do as a coordinator first and foremost.

And the guys I listed had nothing to do with the NFL playoffs is more that the teams they work for have innovative offenses period. Their teams just happen to be in the playoffs.
 
marshallrc13 said:
First off why would they want to leave the NFL for college. Secondly if they are NFL guys they would prob only be here short time. It seems there is a vast difference between NFL and college coaching and typically they excel at one or the other but not both. There are exceptions... I think we need to scour the college ranks for guys that want to coach college. Just my .02
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Alabama has had coaches going back and forth from college to the NFL and vice versus and it hasn’t seem to stop them from winning. In fact its what you want because it means you are winning if everyone wants your coaches. If we ever get back to winning back you guys might as well get used to losing coordinators and or coaches because that is what will happen.

Look at Dan Quinn coached in college for a while to start then in the NFL for a while then back to college as a coordinator from a position coach and then back to the NFL again. The profession that these guys are in is called coaching and has no sure path or road that one will stay on.
 
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I don't mean to be a **** but young coaches with Sean McVay qualities are rare. If that is going to be your requirement for a young coach, you will be searching for a very long time.
 
GuptaKnows said:
I don't mean to be a **** but young coaches with Sean McVay qualities are rare. If that is going to be your requirement for a young coach, you will be searching for a very long time.
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You only taking half of what I said lol. A coach can show his knowledge and attention to detail in interviews and display certain qualities that you think breed success. Half of the coaches I listed have experience as OCs only a few don’t and I just used McVay as a comparison to them not having a wealth of experience prior. No one on this board knew who McVay was 2 years ago and had no idea he would thrive once given a chance to be the Rams HC. It’s not an exact thing, use Manny as an example does he have Sean McVay qualities? Not sure but most now think that he has qualities that can lead us back to prominence in part because of how he speaks in interviews, and by his actions in his short time as the HC (firing the whole offensive staff).

I’m sure his plan impressed on how he will get the program back on track impressed the admin and is why he was hired. If he would have not had a plan and seemed disorganized he probably would not be our coach right now.
 
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