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Simpson better than Kul...?

Just gunna throw out there that Joe Jackson's technique hasn't been great, Jon Ford who we were all expecting to step up, never did, Demetrius Jackson has definitely regressed, and Gerald Willis literally never wins with power.

Lets not pretend like Jess Simpson is all of a sudden an elite coach because our Dline, who EVERYONE knew was going to be great, played very well. Lets see how he finishes recruiting this year (will he land Bogle? a top DT? We lost Ingraham....) and how Next year goes down when He NEEDS to get Rousseau, Ford, Nesta, and at least one freshman DE (assuming Joe Jackson leaves early) playing at a high level for the Dline to keep their performance at a high level.

Don't care what yall say, he had an easy job of coaching this year. LBs and Safeties that are super experienced, so the Dline can be even more aggressive than normal. And All The DLine were filled with studs this year. Everyone knew Gerald Willis was going to have a great year, and that Joe Jackson and Jon Garvin were future potential 1st round picks.
 
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calinative umstudent said:
Just gunna throw out there that Joe Jackson's technique hasn't been great, Jon Ford who we were all expecting to step up, never did, Demetrius Jackson has definitely regressed, and Gerald Willis literally never wins with power.

Lets not pretend like Jess Simpson is all of a sudden an elite coach because our Dline, who EVERYONE knew was going to be great, played very well. Lets see how he finishes recruiting this year (will he land Bogle? a top DT? We lost Ingraham....) and how Next year goes down when He NEEDS to get Rousseau, Ford, Nesta, and at least one freshman DE (assuming Joe Jackson leaves early) playing at a high level for the Dline to keep their performance at a high level.

Don't care what yall say, he had an easy job of coaching this year. LBs and Safeties that are super experienced, so the Dline can be even more aggressive than normal. And All The DLine were filled with studs this year. Everyone knew Gerald Willis was going to have a great year, and that Joe Jackson and Jon Garvin were future potential 1st round picks.
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Disagree completely. Joe Jackson has maximized his ability this year. He's shown a variety of moves, routinely sheds blocks, was positionally sound in the run game especially against Pitt. He's improved throughout the year which is a testament to coaching. 1st year position coaches can't snap their fingers for instant results; it takes time.

Ford was always a long-term project. Let's judge that in a couple years. Jackson isn't the same coming off injury. Willis is a disruptive penetrator why would you want him to try power moves? You're grasping at straws to try to play devil's advocate.
 
Slightly OT, but does anyone have a clue as to what J.Jackson's injury is besides the obvious. I was watching the VT game again the other day and he slightly hyper-extended that arm and the pain was obvious on his face and he stopped almost dead in his tracks.
I'm thinking this alone may keep him from leaving after this season.
 
calinative umstudent said:
Just gunna throw out there that Joe Jackson's technique hasn't been great, Jon Ford who we were all expecting to step up, never did, Demetrius Jackson has definitely regressed, and Gerald Willis literally never wins with power.

Lets not pretend like Jess Simpson is all of a sudden an elite coach because our Dline, who EVERYONE knew was going to be great, played very well. Lets see how he finishes recruiting this year (will he land Bogle? a top DT? We lost Ingraham....) and how Next year goes down when He NEEDS to get Rousseau, Ford, Nesta, and at least one freshman DE (assuming Joe Jackson leaves early) playing at a high level for the Dline to keep their performance at a high level.

Don't care what yall say, he had an easy job of coaching this year. LBs and Safeties that are super experienced, so the Dline can be even more aggressive than normal. And All The DLine were filled with studs this year. Everyone knew Gerald Willis was going to have a great year, and that Joe Jackson and Jon Garvin were future potential 1st round picks.
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I agree with this. Defensive interior exceeded expectation but did so with a ton of advantages. Very few seasons will feature experience and talent in the back seven like 2018 had. Also the conference schedule was favorable. The top four teams in the ACC in yards per game are Clemson, Syracuse, North Carolina State and Wake Forest. You'll note how many of those we played. We also missed Notre Dame this year.

Last year Pittsburgh took it smack at us. This year I was laughing early in the game when everything was sideways. The first play busted for big yardage. Who cares? Keep trying to outrun us to the perimeter and see how you fare. Several teams seemed to do exactly what I wanted them to do against us. Boston College in the first half was a notable exception. That is the type of situation we would face if we advanced to an ACC title game or the national playoffs. We would be shell shocked at the difference, just like Michigan was shell shocked last week upon stepping up in class against a mega talented Ohio State team with Haskins coming into his own.

I think Simpson benefits partially because McIntosh and Norton were so overrated around here. Somehow you had first or second round tags placed on them a year earlier and people actually believed it. Willis this season has been superior to those two in any season. Whether it was coaching or a talented player realizing his was playing for his financial future is difficult to pinpoint. I prefer the second version.

Joe Jackson does not have great technique, as you indicate. His stock has fallen somewhat this season on draft boards but it is more a case of others stepping up than Jackson slipping.

We need elite players. Otherwise the position coaches are always in jeopardy of raves one season and condemnation the next. Disruptive defensive tackles are amazing cleansers. They alter plays and shorten plays and cause quarterbacks to think about things they don't want to be thinking about.
 
HighSeas said:
Disagree completely. Joe Jackson has maximized his ability this year. He's shown a variety of moves, routinely sheds blocks, was positionally sound in the run game especially against Pitt. He's improved throughout the year which is a testament to coaching. 1st year position coaches can't snap their fingers for instant results; it takes time.

Ford was always a long-term project. Let's judge that in a couple years. Jackson isn't the same coming off injury. Willis is a disruptive penetrator why would you want him to try power moves? You're grasping at straws to try to play devil's advocate.
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Maximized his ability? Lol thats a joke. He's played well. But just watch when its draft time and the number one point every analyst makes against Joe Jackson is "He has the athleticism, strength, and bend, but doesn't have the technique to be a 1st rounder." Dude consistently lets OTs get into his body easily and first when he is pass rushing. Its like he has no idea what pass rush move to use or when to use it. Does he have the ability to use a rip/spin/bull? Obviously. And he's a solid block shedder and played well against the run this year. BUT THAT WAS ALL EXPECTED!!! My point is for everyone saying Jess is so much better than Kool, its not like Joe Jackson took some huge leap. With his talent, he should be better at pass rushing than he is. IMO I call that coaching.

....and now Ford was only a long term project? Lol youre lying to yourself if you don't think EVERYONE on here and in the coaches room werent hoping/expecting he was going to be the #2 DT that steps up this year. Instead we had Odenigbo who 80% of the time got worked getting heavy reps ESPECIALLY as the season progressed. Bethel played solid, but nothing great. Jess Simpson better coach Ford up asap, cause we need him and Nesta to step the **** up next year with Gerald Willis gone. And If he doesn't get them playing at a HIGH level, next years Dline isn't going to be nearly as good as this year....So like I said, I'll wait to judge Jess Simpson and proclaim him as some elite coach for when he proves it when his job is actually difficult.

And I don't mean Power moves specifically. But the fact is its kinda alarming when your stud DT can't win with anything that isn't a swim move immediately. If he didn't beat the OG with a move immediately off the snap, he was generally getting moved back. Maybe that has more to do with the Strength program. But the fact is Willis was mostly a one trick pony. He was extremely great with that trick, and it will likely be enough to get him drafted pretty high (nfl is caring more purely for pass rushing DTs who can win with speed). But for as much as you mention Joe Jackson being able to do it all, Gerald Willis isn't.
 
BoxingRobes said:
Yeah, brother.

I don't agree with this.

His rep from 5 years ago?

Did you watch Bama this year? Quinnen Williams and Isaiah Buggs have been UNREAL under just an off-season with Kuligowski.
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LOL. Jagr could coach up those freak shows. Are you kidding me? And Mike Locksley is now a genius OC and play caller too.

Pretty sure Alabaga’s run D took a slide this year in Tool’s first year. Didn’t Citadel just hang 250 yards rushing on them?
 
Only reason I’d hesitate right now for is Willis was dominant no matter who the coach is and demanded a lot of attention. Think kul would probably have same success with Willis. But who knows, Simpson seems to be the better recruiter so far
 
The Franchise said:
LOL. Jagr could coach up those freak shows. Are you kidding me? And Mike Locksley is now a genius OC and play caller too.

Pretty sure Alabaga’s run D took a slide this year in Tool’s first year. Didn’t Citadel just hang 250 yards rushing on them?
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Buggs goes from 1.5 sacks to 9.5. 4 TFL to 12.5. He played a lot the year before, too.
Williams is just getting his first real action, but he's been the best interior lineman in the nation.

Took a slide would be anywhere other than 1, since they were the best run defense in football in 2017, but they were still 12th in the country in average and they lost numerous players to the NFL...not sure I'd hold that against Kuligowski.

Kuligowski is the best DL coach in the country, man. His resume is vast...and its not via recent vintage...he coached up last years line and all of this years lineman had ample time with him. Not sure why we are trying to knock him. Yeah, he's not a recruiter. But that doesn't mean Simpson is a better DL coach than him. I find that notion to be laughable at this point, and Simpson has been fine.
 
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calinative umstudent said:
Maximized his ability? Lol thats a joke. He's played well. But just watch when its draft time and the number one point every analyst makes against Joe Jackson is "He has the athleticism, strength, and bend, but doesn't have the technique to be a 1st rounder." Dude consistently lets OTs get into his body easily and first when he is pass rushing. Its like he has no idea what pass rush move to use or when to use it. Does he have the ability to use a rip/spin/bull? Obviously. And he's a solid block shedder and played well against the run this year. BUT THAT WAS ALL EXPECTED!!! My point is for everyone saying Jess is so much better than Kool, its not like Joe Jackson took some huge leap. With his talent, he should be better at pass rushing than he is. IMO I call that coaching.

....and now Ford was only a long term project? Lol youre lying to yourself if you don't think EVERYONE on here and in the coaches room werent hoping/expecting he was going to be the #2 DT that steps up this year. Instead we had Odenigbo who 80% of the time got worked getting heavy reps ESPECIALLY as the season progressed. Bethel played solid, but nothing great. Jess Simpson better coach Ford up asap, cause we need him and Nesta to step the **** up next year with Gerald Willis gone. And If he doesn't get them playing at a HIGH level, next years Dline isn't going to be nearly as good as this year....So like I said, I'll wait to judge Jess Simpson and proclaim him as some elite coach for when he proves it when his job is actually difficult.

And I don't mean Power moves specifically. But the fact is its kinda alarming when your stud DT can't win with anything that isn't a swim move immediately. If he didn't beat the OG with a move immediately off the snap, he was generally getting moved back. Maybe that has more to do with the Strength program. But the fact is Willis was mostly a one trick pony. He was extremely great with that trick, and it will likely be enough to get him drafted pretty high (nfl is caring more purely for pass rushing DTs who can win with speed). But for as much as you mention Joe Jackson being able to do it all, Gerald Willis isn't.
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I don't think 99 is as athletic as you think he is. He has average snap quickness and doesn't bend very well. He's more of an effort/power rusher who gets cleanup production and coverage sacks. If there's a DE on this roster who should have produced more it's Garvin.

Ford is still growing into his frame. He needs to continue to add bulk and strength. He was like 6'5 and 270 or less when he arrived. It's not his fault the fans had unrealistic expectations. Ford and Jordan Miller should be effective players next season. If they're not then we can complain.

Your last paragraph is common for most guys. They either win with quickness or power. Gerald McCoy has always relied on his initial quickness and outside move and he's an NFL All-Pro.
 
filmcane said:
This seemed like an absurd question even in September, but as of today... if we could have either one and NOT include recruiting....I think I'm going with Simpson.

Our DE's are at least as good as they were the previous year and our DT's, as a unit, performed better this year than last year, and most importantly, the DL on the whole has actually improved and gotten MORE dominant as the season's gone on.

Thoughts?
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What is clear is that Simpson at least try to recruit. Kul was not obligated to do it.
 
HighSeas said:
I don't think 99 is as athletic as you think he is. He has average snap quickness and doesn't bend very well. He's more of an effort/power rusher who gets cleanup production and coverage sacks. If there's a DE on this roster who should have produced more it's Garvin.

Ford is still growing into his frame. He needs to continue to add bulk and strength. He was like 6'5 and 270 or less when he arrived. It's not his fault the fans had unrealistic expectations. Ford and Jordan Miller should be effective players next season. If they're not then we can complain.

Your last paragraph is common for most guys. They either win with quickness or power. Gerald McCoy has always relied on his initial quickness and outside move and he's an NFL All-Pro.
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This sounds like I'm complaining about the best aspect of our team, but I'm only pointing out the fact that we shouldn't all rush to praise Jess Simpson when he was working with an absolutely loaded front 4 this year....that Imo while absolutely GREAT, could have been even better. Thats it.

I think Joe Jackson is as athletic as many of the top EDGE rushers in this draft class, some of whom will be drafted ahead of him simply due to their technical ability. He definitely has ENOUGH bend to be a much better pure pass rusher than he showed this year. He will be a better pass rusher in the NFL than in College imo with good coaching. And I agree that Garvin should end up being a better pass rusher than Joe Jackson is. But Garvin was a Sophomore while Joe Jackson was a draft eligible Junior. So I expected Joe Jackson to have been coached up better this season. Next year I'll expect Garvin to be playing at an All-American level cause he has that talent.

Yeah Ford is still growing into his frame....as a 2nd year player and was getting outsnapped by Odenigbo to end this season. **** I saw Nesta on the field making plays way more than Ford. Maybe thats a Weight Room problem then. But fact is he was completely non existant this yr.
 
calinative umstudent said:
Just gunna throw out there that Joe Jackson's technique hasn't been great, Jon Ford who we were all expecting to step up, never did, Demetrius Jackson has definitely regressed, and Gerald Willis literally never wins with power.

Lets not pretend like Jess Simpson is all of a sudden an elite coach because our Dline, who EVERYONE knew was going to be great, played very well. Lets see how he finishes recruiting this year (will he land Bogle? a top DT? We lost Ingraham....) and how Next year goes down when He NEEDS to get Rousseau, Ford, Nesta, and at least one freshman DE (assuming Joe Jackson leaves early) playing at a high level for the Dline to keep their performance at a high level.

Don't care what yall say, he had an easy job of coaching this year. LBs and Safeties that are super experienced, so the Dline can be even more aggressive than normal. And All The DLine were filled with studs this year. Everyone knew Gerald Willis was going to have a great year, and that Joe Jackson and Jon Garvin were future potential 1st round picks.
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I see what you’re saying bro but Joe Jax has a dead arm and still has 8.5 sacks. Djax admitted that he didn’t feel the same. Ford looks like his issue is maturity and not skill set.
 
Sigma_Cane_7 said:
I see what you’re saying bro but Joe Jax has a dead arm and still has 8.5 sacks. Djax admitted that he didn’t feel the same. Ford looks like his issue is maturity and not skill set.
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Regardless, I'm going to hold off before bowing down like the rest of the people here.
 
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From my prism Pass rushed has improved and DT play vs the run is light years better and this is ALL without blitzing.

Watching Bama vs UGA, Bama's DL is getting their **** pushed in so far and their Line can't seem to Get a good pass rush without blitzing
 
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