SIAP POST-SPRING DEPTH CHART

[stormbrewing]

Everyday is one day closer to Al being gone....

 

[hoover437]

This is just because certain guys missed time in spring like KC, Rayshawn, etc. Also trying to reward the guys that worked hard like Crawford and Sunny, as well as trying to get other guys to work even harder this fall like Chad, AQM, etc.

I would be shocked if KC, Isidora, Burns, Bush and others don't start come September.

It's old, stop trying to play game with the players. This staff needs to get their crap together. The playcalling was horrible simple as that!!!

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

At least we're no longer pretending to be a 4-3 base defense.

It was a spit in the face to fans that want a 4-3. Straight up lying to hide it. The players see through the depth chart bull**** anyway. KC behind Odogwu? Is he even a guy that needs motivation to play? If not, and he sees through it, I could see why players don't trust the coaches.

who cares what the fans want? seriously. the vast majority never played a lick of football.

A vast majority of the fans have been right from the jump about general scheme and such in the Al Golden era. So those who want wins and accuracy should put some stock in the consensus fan estimations.

In the name of fairness: considering the fact that AG is not a winner and hasn't won anything here, anything anyone says negatively about his strategy is correct. Its perfectly fair for 100% fans to see 500 yards allowed per game and a bunch of L's on the schedule and call for change. That's cool.

But, at the risk of sounding arrogant, I'll say that probably .01% of fans (hyperbole) are qualified to specifically criticize scheme. Its important to appreciate the amount of experience required and how much time goes into really understanding nuts and bolts of the game. Generally, even players don't understand the total schematic picture until they spend time being trained as a coach.

In 2013 they listed us as a 43 hybrid. It was fair. We played our fair share of 43 that year. I remember watching whole games and not seeing a 50 front being employed at all or just a handful of times. In 2014 we were also listed as a 43 hybrid and we played almost exclusively out of a 50. Criticism for 2014 is definitely warranted. That ****ed me off too. Its funny how we're listed as a 34 now, but the position names are exactly the same and all they did was group the Rush position with the LBs. Our DL positions are End/Nose/Tackle. lol.

That's fair. I tried to specify in my comment that the fans have said attacking 4-3 predicated on speed with aggressive secondary play is the way to go as opposed to a passive 3-4 predicated on size with vanilla secondary play. As far as finer details of scheme of strategy, I'll say that the pedestrian fan should probably just limit themselves to the 4-3 favoritism.

 

[WestEndZone]

It was a spit in the face to fans that want a 4-3. Straight up lying to hide it. The players see through the depth chart bull**** anyway. KC behind Odogwu? Is he even a guy that needs motivation to play? If not, and he sees through it, I could see why players don't trust the coaches.

who cares what the fans want? seriously. the vast majority never played a lick of football.

A vast majority of the fans have been right from the jump about general scheme and such in the Al Golden era. So those who want wins and accuracy should put some stock in the consensus fan estimations.

In the name of fairness: considering the fact that AG is not a winner and hasn't won anything here, anything anyone says negatively about his strategy is correct. Its perfectly fair for 100% fans to see 500 yards allowed per game and a bunch of L's on the schedule and call for change. That's cool.

But, at the risk of sounding arrogant, I'll say that probably .01% of fans (hyperbole) are qualified to specifically criticize scheme. Its important to appreciate the amount of experience required and how much time goes into really understanding nuts and bolts of the game. Generally, even players don't understand the total schematic picture until they spend time being trained as a coach.

In 2013 they listed us as a 43 hybrid. It was fair. We played our fair share of 43 that year. I remember watching whole games and not seeing a 50 front being employed at all or just a handful of times. In 2014 we were also listed as a 43 hybrid and we played almost exclusively out of a 50. Criticism for 2014 is definitely warranted. That ****ed me off too. Its funny how we're listed as a 34 now, but the position names are exactly the same and all they did was group the Rush position with the LBs. Our DL positions are End/Nose/Tackle. lol.

That's fair. I tried to specify in my comment that the fans have said attacking 4-3 predicated on speed with aggressive secondary play is the way to go as opposed to a passive 3-4 predicated on size with vanilla secondary play. As far as finer details of scheme of strategy, I'll say that the pedestrian fan should probably just limit themselves to the 4-3 favoritism.

Oh for sure, if you're a Miami fan, you want to see us in a 43 Over Quarters coverage based system (see Michigan State). Something that I see a lot of, that is a bit inaccurate, is that the 43 system that we made famous was predicated on heavy blitzing. We have never been a heavy blitz team. We only blitzed as a way to answer. We were so dominant on defense for so long because we could line up in base (4 down linemen, who could all both stop the run and get to the QB--really hard to do both; and a pattern match Quarters zone behind them) and shut your *** down. There is literally no answer to a defense that can play base and stop you. It's suffocating. What made us aggressive were our alignments, techniques, and personnel.

Without getting into too many specifics: any one gap system is based on gap exchange. We played with 3 stacked linebackers those stacked dudes were all missiles. If they were to exchange any gap with a defensive lineman, they were doing it from a stacked alignment, thus getting a running start. Our defensive linemen DID rush up field, but they were so ******* disciplined. They all followed their triangle reads, they all exchanged gaps when they were asked to. To oversimplify it, our defensive linemen feverishly rushed up field on snap, but they did so in a pinching manner. In the secondary, since we're quarters based, both deep safeties are primary run defenders. On the snap, those dudes weren't back pedaling, they were sitting tight waiting for a read. If it was run, they were flying to the line of scrimmage with bad intentions. On pass, it was the same thing, if they had to exchange routes with a corner, they were flying down to their assignment, looking to take someone's head off. Everything was based on exchanging. If an exchange was made, it was made in a violent manner.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

who cares what the fans want? seriously. the vast majority never played a lick of football.

A vast majority of the fans have been right from the jump about general scheme and such in the Al Golden era. So those who want wins and accuracy should put some stock in the consensus fan estimations.

In the name of fairness: considering the fact that AG is not a winner and hasn't won anything here, anything anyone says negatively about his strategy is correct. Its perfectly fair for 100% fans to see 500 yards allowed per game and a bunch of L's on the schedule and call for change. That's cool.

But, at the risk of sounding arrogant, I'll say that probably .01% of fans (hyperbole) are qualified to specifically criticize scheme. Its important to appreciate the amount of experience required and how much time goes into really understanding nuts and bolts of the game. Generally, even players don't understand the total schematic picture until they spend time being trained as a coach.

In 2013 they listed us as a 43 hybrid. It was fair. We played our fair share of 43 that year. I remember watching whole games and not seeing a 50 front being employed at all or just a handful of times. In 2014 we were also listed as a 43 hybrid and we played almost exclusively out of a 50. Criticism for 2014 is definitely warranted. That ****ed me off too. Its funny how we're listed as a 34 now, but the position names are exactly the same and all they did was group the Rush position with the LBs. Our DL positions are End/Nose/Tackle. lol.

That's fair. I tried to specify in my comment that the fans have said attacking 4-3 predicated on speed with aggressive secondary play is the way to go as opposed to a passive 3-4 predicated on size with vanilla secondary play. As far as finer details of scheme of strategy, I'll say that the pedestrian fan should probably just limit themselves to the 4-3 favoritism.

Oh for sure, if you're a Miami fan, you want to see us in a 43 Over Quarters coverage based system (see Michigan State). Something that I see a lot of, that is a bit inaccurate, is that the 43 system that we made famous was predicated on heavy blitzing. We have never been a heavy blitz team. We only blitzed as a way to answer. We were so dominant on defense for so long because we could line up in base (4 down linemen, who could all both stop the run and get to the QB--really hard to do both; and a pattern match Quarters zone behind them) and shut your *** down. There is literally no answer to a defense that can play base and stop you. It's suffocating. What made us aggressive were our alignments, techniques, and personnel.

Without getting into too many specifics: any one gap system is based on gap exchange. We played with 3 stacked linebackers those stacked dudes were all missiles. If they were to exchange any gap with a defensive lineman, they were doing it from a stacked alignment, thus getting a running start. Our defensive linemen DID rush up field, but they were so ******* disciplined. They all followed their triangle reads, they all exchanged gaps when they were asked to. To oversimplify it, our defensive linemen feverishly rushed up field on snap, but they did so in a pinching manner. In the secondary, since we're quarters based, both deep safeties are primary run defenders. On the snap, those dudes weren't back pedaling, they were sitting tight waiting for a read. If it was run, they were flying to the line of scrimmage with bad intentions. On pass, it was the same thing, if they had to exchange routes with a corner, they were flying down to their assignment, looking to take someone's head off. Everything was based on exchanging. If an exchange was made, it was made in a violent manner.

I still think that in today's football that this can happen at Miami. Even the almighty zone read would be stopped by our ideally dominant attack. It takes the Miami-right staff and ideology.

 

[valid]

looking at that roster....6 wins is the ceiling.

 

[WestEndZone]

A vast majority of the fans have been right from the jump about general scheme and such in the Al Golden era. So those who want wins and accuracy should put some stock in the consensus fan estimations.

In the name of fairness: considering the fact that AG is not a winner and hasn't won anything here, anything anyone says negatively about his strategy is correct. Its perfectly fair for 100% fans to see 500 yards allowed per game and a bunch of L's on the schedule and call for change. That's cool.

But, at the risk of sounding arrogant, I'll say that probably .01% of fans (hyperbole) are qualified to specifically criticize scheme. Its important to appreciate the amount of experience required and how much time goes into really understanding nuts and bolts of the game. Generally, even players don't understand the total schematic picture until they spend time being trained as a coach.

In 2013 they listed us as a 43 hybrid. It was fair. We played our fair share of 43 that year. I remember watching whole games and not seeing a 50 front being employed at all or just a handful of times. In 2014 we were also listed as a 43 hybrid and we played almost exclusively out of a 50. Criticism for 2014 is definitely warranted. That ****ed me off too. Its funny how we're listed as a 34 now, but the position names are exactly the same and all they did was group the Rush position with the LBs. Our DL positions are End/Nose/Tackle. lol.

That's fair. I tried to specify in my comment that the fans have said attacking 4-3 predicated on speed with aggressive secondary play is the way to go as opposed to a passive 3-4 predicated on size with vanilla secondary play. As far as finer details of scheme of strategy, I'll say that the pedestrian fan should probably just limit themselves to the 4-3 favoritism.

Oh for sure, if you're a Miami fan, you want to see us in a 43 Over Quarters coverage based system (see Michigan State). Something that I see a lot of, that is a bit inaccurate, is that the 43 system that we made famous was predicated on heavy blitzing. We have never been a heavy blitz team. We only blitzed as a way to answer. We were so dominant on defense for so long because we could line up in base (4 down linemen, who could all both stop the run and get to the QB--really hard to do both; and a pattern match Quarters zone behind them) and shut your *** down. There is literally no answer to a defense that can play base and stop you. It's suffocating. What made us aggressive were our alignments, techniques, and personnel.

Without getting into too many specifics: any one gap system is based on gap exchange. We played with 3 stacked linebackers those stacked dudes were all missiles. If they were to exchange any gap with a defensive lineman, they were doing it from a stacked alignment, thus getting a running start. Our defensive linemen DID rush up field, but they were so ******* disciplined. They all followed their triangle reads, they all exchanged gaps when they were asked to. To oversimplify it, our defensive linemen feverishly rushed up field on snap, but they did so in a pinching manner. In the secondary, since we're quarters based, both deep safeties are primary run defenders. On the snap, those dudes weren't back pedaling, they were sitting tight waiting for a read. If it was run, they were flying to the line of scrimmage with bad intentions. On pass, it was the same thing, if they had to exchange routes with a corner, they were flying down to their assignment, looking to take someone's head off. Everything was based on exchanging. If an exchange was made, it was made in a violent manner.

I still think that in today's football that this can happen at Miami. Even the almighty zone read would be stopped by our ideally dominant attack. It takes the Miami-right staff and ideology.

It could definitely happen here with the right staff. I would be ecstatic if we ran a 425 down here. None of those principles are dead or outdated. Everything is cyclical, maybe even trendy. Defensively, College football hasn't changed too much schematically. The biggest difference is that defenses are becoming more multiple today than ever. Everyone has an even front; everyone has an odd front. I like to use TCU as an example. They've been pioneers in developing that 425 system. It was essentially modeled after Jimmy's system. Even they need to jump in and out of odd fronts every now and again. Offenses do so much more these days than ever before. Defenses need to have answers.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Gorlden is a genius! He really knows how to get the kids motivated and mentally prepared for the season.

I think if we could just squeeze in one more pool party we would be headed to the playoffs!

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

In the name of fairness: considering the fact that AG is not a winner and hasn't won anything here, anything anyone says negatively about his strategy is correct. Its perfectly fair for 100% fans to see 500 yards allowed per game and a bunch of L's on the schedule and call for change. That's cool.

But, at the risk of sounding arrogant, I'll say that probably .01% of fans (hyperbole) are qualified to specifically criticize scheme. Its important to appreciate the amount of experience required and how much time goes into really understanding nuts and bolts of the game. Generally, even players don't understand the total schematic picture until they spend time being trained as a coach.

In 2013 they listed us as a 43 hybrid. It was fair. We played our fair share of 43 that year. I remember watching whole games and not seeing a 50 front being employed at all or just a handful of times. In 2014 we were also listed as a 43 hybrid and we played almost exclusively out of a 50. Criticism for 2014 is definitely warranted. That ****ed me off too. Its funny how we're listed as a 34 now, but the position names are exactly the same and all they did was group the Rush position with the LBs. Our DL positions are End/Nose/Tackle. lol.

That's fair. I tried to specify in my comment that the fans have said attacking 4-3 predicated on speed with aggressive secondary play is the way to go as opposed to a passive 3-4 predicated on size with vanilla secondary play. As far as finer details of scheme of strategy, I'll say that the pedestrian fan should probably just limit themselves to the 4-3 favoritism.

Oh for sure, if you're a Miami fan, you want to see us in a 43 Over Quarters coverage based system (see Michigan State). Something that I see a lot of, that is a bit inaccurate, is that the 43 system that we made famous was predicated on heavy blitzing. We have never been a heavy blitz team. We only blitzed as a way to answer. We were so dominant on defense for so long because we could line up in base (4 down linemen, who could all both stop the run and get to the QB--really hard to do both; and a pattern match Quarters zone behind them) and shut your *** down. There is literally no answer to a defense that can play base and stop you. It's suffocating. What made us aggressive were our alignments, techniques, and personnel.

Without getting into too many specifics: any one gap system is based on gap exchange. We played with 3 stacked linebackers those stacked dudes were all missiles. If they were to exchange any gap with a defensive lineman, they were doing it from a stacked alignment, thus getting a running start. Our defensive linemen DID rush up field, but they were so ******* disciplined. They all followed their triangle reads, they all exchanged gaps when they were asked to. To oversimplify it, our defensive linemen feverishly rushed up field on snap, but they did so in a pinching manner. In the secondary, since we're quarters based, both deep safeties are primary run defenders. On the snap, those dudes weren't back pedaling, they were sitting tight waiting for a read. If it was run, they were flying to the line of scrimmage with bad intentions. On pass, it was the same thing, if they had to exchange routes with a corner, they were flying down to their assignment, looking to take someone's head off. Everything was based on exchanging. If an exchange was made, it was made in a violent manner.

I still think that in today's football that this can happen at Miami. Even the almighty zone read would be stopped by our ideally dominant attack. It takes the Miami-right staff and ideology.

It could definitely happen here with the right staff. I would be ecstatic if we ran a 425 down here. None of those principles are dead or outdated. Everything is cyclical, maybe even trendy. Defensively, College football hasn't changed too much schematically. The biggest difference is that defenses are becoming more multiple today than ever. Everyone has an even front; everyone has an odd front. I like to use TCU as an example. They've been pioneers in developing that 425 system. It was essentially modeled after Jimmy's system. Even they need to jump in and out of odd fronts every now and again. Offenses do so much more these days than ever before. Defenses need to have answers.

I'm standing by theory of simplicity gets the job done at the college level. If scheme hasn't shifted too much, the response shouldn't have needed to shift too much either. Find me somebody with that mentality to get the job done here.

 

[gfer1988]

Jesus people, fall camp hasn't even started yet. Wait till week 1 before you complain about who starts over who. These depth charts mean nothing this early

How about we complain bc its year 5 and golden is still doing this stupid depth chart shuffle that has not proven to be a good motivation tactic nor yield positive results

 

[UMFarArcher]

At least we're no longer pretending to be a 4-3 base defense.

It was a spit in the face to fans that want a 4-3. Straight up lying to hide it. The players see through the depth chart bull**** anyway. KC behind Odogwu? Is he even a guy that needs motivation to play? If not, and he sees through it, I could see why players don't trust the coaches.

who cares what the fans want? seriously. the vast majority never played a lick of football.

A vast majority of the fans have been right from the jump about general scheme and such in the Al Golden era. So those who want wins and accuracy should put some stock in the consensus fan estimations.

In the name of fairness: considering the fact that AG is not a winner and hasn't won anything here, anything anyone says negatively about his strategy is correct. Its perfectly fair for 100% fans to see 500 yards allowed per game and a bunch of L's on the schedule and call for change. That's cool.

But, at the risk of sounding arrogant, I'll say that probably .01% of fans (hyperbole) are qualified to specifically criticize scheme. Its important to appreciate the amount of experience required and how much time goes into really understanding nuts and bolts of the game. Generally, even players don't understand the total schematic picture until they spend time being trained as a coach.

In 2013 they listed us as a 43 hybrid. It was fair. We played our fair share of 43 that year. I remember watching whole games and not seeing a 50 front being employed at all or just a handful of times. In 2014 we were also listed as a 43 hybrid and we played almost exclusively out of a 50. Criticism for 2014 is definitely warranted. That ****ed me off too. Its funny how we're listed as a 34 now, but the position names are exactly the same and all they did was group the Rush position with the LBs. Our DL positions are End/Nose/Tackle. lol.

BS.

I don't need to be a fighter pilot to criticize our unpreparedness when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

I don't need to be a meteorologist to know that the Redcoats at Valley Forge had a hard winter.

And I don't need to be a football analyst to know that Golden, D'Onofrio as coaches and their schemes sukasss.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

It was a spit in the face to fans that want a 4-3. Straight up lying to hide it. The players see through the depth chart bull**** anyway. KC behind Odogwu? Is he even a guy that needs motivation to play? If not, and he sees through it, I could see why players don't trust the coaches.

who cares what the fans want? seriously. the vast majority never played a lick of football.

A vast majority of the fans have been right from the jump about general scheme and such in the Al Golden era. So those who want wins and accuracy should put some stock in the consensus fan estimations.

In the name of fairness: considering the fact that AG is not a winner and hasn't won anything here, anything anyone says negatively about his strategy is correct. Its perfectly fair for 100% fans to see 500 yards allowed per game and a bunch of L's on the schedule and call for change. That's cool.

But, at the risk of sounding arrogant, I'll say that probably .01% of fans (hyperbole) are qualified to specifically criticize scheme. Its important to appreciate the amount of experience required and how much time goes into really understanding nuts and bolts of the game. Generally, even players don't understand the total schematic picture until they spend time being trained as a coach.

In 2013 they listed us as a 43 hybrid. It was fair. We played our fair share of 43 that year. I remember watching whole games and not seeing a 50 front being employed at all or just a handful of times. In 2014 we were also listed as a 43 hybrid and we played almost exclusively out of a 50. Criticism for 2014 is definitely warranted. That ****ed me off too. Its funny how we're listed as a 34 now, but the position names are exactly the same and all they did was group the Rush position with the LBs. Our DL positions are End/Nose/Tackle. lol.

BS.

I don't need to be a fighter pilot to criticize our unpreparedness when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

I don't need to be a meteorologist to know that the Redcoats at Valley Forge had a hard winter.

And I don't need to be a football analyst to know that Golden, D'Onofrio as coaches and their schemes sukasss.

Don't start using logic. It confuses the chalkboard warriors.

 

[Spookcane]

Gorlden is a genius! He really knows how to get the kids motivated and mentally prepared for the season.

I think if we could just squeeze in one more pool party we would be headed to the playoffs!

This post was a GOAT.. this sh*t had me laughing.. good lawd. lol.

 

[WestEndZone]

It was a spit in the face to fans that want a 4-3. Straight up lying to hide it. The players see through the depth chart bull**** anyway. KC behind Odogwu? Is he even a guy that needs motivation to play? If not, and he sees through it, I could see why players don't trust the coaches.

who cares what the fans want? seriously. the vast majority never played a lick of football.

A vast majority of the fans have been right from the jump about general scheme and such in the Al Golden era. So those who want wins and accuracy should put some stock in the consensus fan estimations.

In the name of fairness: considering the fact that AG is not a winner and hasn't won anything here, anything anyone says negatively about his strategy is correct. Its perfectly fair for 100% fans to see 500 yards allowed per game and a bunch of L's on the schedule and call for change. That's cool.

But, at the risk of sounding arrogant, I'll say that probably .01% of fans (hyperbole) are qualified to specifically criticize scheme. Its important to appreciate the amount of experience required and how much time goes into really understanding nuts and bolts of the game. Generally, even players don't understand the total schematic picture until they spend time being trained as a coach.

In 2013 they listed us as a 43 hybrid. It was fair. We played our fair share of 43 that year. I remember watching whole games and not seeing a 50 front being employed at all or just a handful of times. In 2014 we were also listed as a 43 hybrid and we played almost exclusively out of a 50. Criticism for 2014 is definitely warranted. That ****ed me off too. Its funny how we're listed as a 34 now, but the position names are exactly the same and all they did was group the Rush position with the LBs. Our DL positions are End/Nose/Tackle. lol.

BS.

I don't need to be a fighter pilot to criticize our unpreparedness when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

I don't need to be a meteorologist to know that the Redcoats at Valley Forge had a hard winter.

And I don't need to be a football analyst to know that Golden, D'Onofrio as coaches and their schemes sukasss.

You're a funny guy, Archer.

My comment was in reference to specific criticisms. I guess you skipped over the part where I agreed with you.

 

[WestEndZone]

That's fair. I tried to specify in my comment that the fans have said attacking 4-3 predicated on speed with aggressive secondary play is the way to go as opposed to a passive 3-4 predicated on size with vanilla secondary play. As far as finer details of scheme of strategy, I'll say that the pedestrian fan should probably just limit themselves to the 4-3 favoritism.

Oh for sure, if you're a Miami fan, you want to see us in a 43 Over Quarters coverage based system (see Michigan State). Something that I see a lot of, that is a bit inaccurate, is that the 43 system that we made famous was predicated on heavy blitzing. We have never been a heavy blitz team. We only blitzed as a way to answer. We were so dominant on defense for so long because we could line up in base (4 down linemen, who could all both stop the run and get to the QB--really hard to do both; and a pattern match Quarters zone behind them) and shut your *** down. There is literally no answer to a defense that can play base and stop you. It's suffocating. What made us aggressive were our alignments, techniques, and personnel.

Without getting into too many specifics: any one gap system is based on gap exchange. We played with 3 stacked linebackers those stacked dudes were all missiles. If they were to exchange any gap with a defensive lineman, they were doing it from a stacked alignment, thus getting a running start. Our defensive linemen DID rush up field, but they were so ******* disciplined. They all followed their triangle reads, they all exchanged gaps when they were asked to. To oversimplify it, our defensive linemen feverishly rushed up field on snap, but they did so in a pinching manner. In the secondary, since we're quarters based, both deep safeties are primary run defenders. On the snap, those dudes weren't back pedaling, they were sitting tight waiting for a read. If it was run, they were flying to the line of scrimmage with bad intentions. On pass, it was the same thing, if they had to exchange routes with a corner, they were flying down to their assignment, looking to take someone's head off. Everything was based on exchanging. If an exchange was made, it was made in a violent manner.

I still think that in today's football that this can happen at Miami. Even the almighty zone read would be stopped by our ideally dominant attack. It takes the Miami-right staff and ideology.

It could definitely happen here with the right staff. I would be ecstatic if we ran a 425 down here. None of those principles are dead or outdated. Everything is cyclical, maybe even trendy. Defensively, College football hasn't changed too much schematically. The biggest difference is that defenses are becoming more multiple today than ever. Everyone has an even front; everyone has an odd front. I like to use TCU as an example. They've been pioneers in developing that 425 system. It was essentially modeled after Jimmy's system. Even they need to jump in and out of odd fronts every now and again. Offenses do so much more these days than ever before. Defenses need to have answers.

I'm standing by theory of simplicity gets the job done at the college level. If scheme hasn't shifted too much, the response shouldn't have needed to shift too much either. Find me somebody with that mentality to get the job done here.

I think you're right. Simplicity does get the job done, especially at the college level. There needs to be a balance, but much higher importance should go to simplicity rather than having every answer in the playbook.

 

[BWCD]

I think you're right. Simplicity does get the job done, especially at the college level. There needs to be a balance, but much higher importance should go to simplicity rather than having every answer in the playbook.

Bingo. My big thing has been, why not steep the guys you've got from day one in the basics of whatever scheme you want to run, then once they do the simple things at a high level, you can add on to that and make more tweaks and improvements. This staff is all about tweaks/improvements/complication, but they forgot the teaching the basics part of the 3-4 and making sure everyone knows the base scheme inside-out.

At this point, guys like Kirby should be making the right calls from MLB in their sleep, and making the plays to go along with it. It shouldn't continue to be a learning "process", and continual tweaking of the scheme to 1-gap or 2-gap, or a different mix of blitzes and coverages...we should have a base D bread & butter, and build off of that.

 

[WestEndZone]

I think you're right. Simplicity does get the job done, especially at the college level. There needs to be a balance, but much higher importance should go to simplicity rather than having every answer in the playbook.

Bingo. My big thing has been, why not steep the guys you've got from day one in the basics of whatever scheme you want to run, then once they do the simple things at a high level, you can add on to that and make more tweaks and improvements. This staff is all about tweaks/improvements/complication, but they forgot the teaching the basics part of the 3-4 and making sure everyone knows the base scheme inside-out.

At this point, guys like Kirby should be making the right calls from MLB in their sleep, and making the plays to go along with it. It shouldn't continue to be a learning "process", and continual tweaking of the scheme to 1-gap or 2-gap, or a different mix of blitzes and coverages...we should have a base D bread & butter, and build off of that.

I think you're spot on with identifying their teaching philosophy. We went to a few practices when they first took the job and coach D was telling us how they want to establish the branches of the tree (teaching the basics of the whole system), then fill in the leaves (details) as they go along. That philosophy is fine, if you have the time to do it. I think they were way too ambitious. Apparently they switched things up last year and started adding in on-field teaching periods so that they could teach each defense in detail--something we saw Gary Patterson himself doing for the entire TCU defense. They had a 15 minute on-field teaching period before stretching, where Patterson would shoo away the rest of this staff and break down in detail the defensive installs of the day. That dude is the man.

On another note, having a bread and butter defense is super valuable. The Seahawks are all about their bread and butter. They're ridiculously simple. The positive thing about this 34/43 hybrid is that your bread and butter defense can be different every year according to your personnel. Do we properly shape our defense around the players we have? Probably not. Instead of playing one of those controlled chaos systems where you're doing different **** all time time, I prefer showing the offense a baseline, then counter-punching when needed. Too often do you get gashed for massive gains when you're taking unnecessary risks.

 

[PUNCICANE]

at least Golden's been consistent with these stupid motivational depth charts....

which ='s him gone this year

 

[UMFarArcher]

who cares what the fans want? seriously. the vast majority never played a lick of football.

A vast majority of the fans have been right from the jump about general scheme and such in the Al Golden era. So those who want wins and accuracy should put some stock in the consensus fan estimations.

In the name of fairness: considering the fact that AG is not a winner and hasn't won anything here, anything anyone says negatively about his strategy is correct. Its perfectly fair for 100% fans to see 500 yards allowed per game and a bunch of L's on the schedule and call for change. That's cool.

But, at the risk of sounding arrogant, I'll say that probably .01% of fans (hyperbole) are qualified to specifically criticize scheme. Its important to appreciate the amount of experience required and how much time goes into really understanding nuts and bolts of the game. Generally, even players don't understand the total schematic picture until they spend time being trained as a coach.

In 2013 they listed us as a 43 hybrid. It was fair. We played our fair share of 43 that year. I remember watching whole games and not seeing a 50 front being employed at all or just a handful of times. In 2014 we were also listed as a 43 hybrid and we played almost exclusively out of a 50. Criticism for 2014 is definitely warranted. That ****ed me off too. Its funny how we're listed as a 34 now, but the position names are exactly the same and all they did was group the Rush position with the LBs. Our DL positions are End/Nose/Tackle. lol.

BS.

I don't need to be a fighter pilot to criticize our unpreparedness when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

I don't need to be a meteorologist to know that the Redcoats at Valley Forge had a hard winter.

And I don't need to be a football analyst to know that Golden, D'Onofrio as coaches and their schemes sukasss.

You're a funny guy, Archer.

My comment was in reference to specific criticisms. I guess you skipped over the part where I agreed with you.

I actually agree with you too.

Just having a bit of fun - there's been too little fun here for too long.

How come Elvis could die on the toilet but Golden can't? There's no justice. None at all.