SIAP Miami Should Win The ACC

[Dwinstitles]

Myth, please.

We were never a recruiting giant. Even at the height of our power, we weren't near the top of the recruiting lists and yes, that was a different era.

Schools back the were taking care of players better than we were in most cases, in all kinds of ways. We did it different, with coaches that could win with coaching it their way and they built us into a monster.

****, no bull****, but the guy before him didn't get the financial support we have going now and guess what, he didn't suck on the field as much either. He didn't recruit this high either, it isn't some mystery why that is. It can't be all one way and again, yes, he deserved to be fired.

If the money is there, you have no excuse not to have results. Last year the roster was largely his, it was cheeks too. There are no excuses this year, get it done or your seat is hot as ****. He's got this year and next IMO to show major progress. None of which erases his embarrassement of the two prior years.

As for who is or isn't available, there's always someone available for 8 mil a year. That's top 20 pay and there's coaches not in that pay zone making those rankings. You just gotta find them, most don't. Most don't have our NIL program either.

Agree to disagree different age and time, we were the best at Identifying and evaluating and closing. If it were todays times we would be top 3 recruiting because its more accurate. The NFL production disagrees with you. Its a different time with rapid communication, WAY DIFFERENT TIME. We had to go see these beasts in person, fast information age changed all that.

 

[Dwinstitles]

Yes.

Taking over a team is not like buying a company. The "machinery & equipment" might run the same under new ownership, but PLAYERS are not the same.

And I'm not trying to "blame" the players Mario inherited. They just weren't HIS players. Whether they bought-in or not...or whether they were just not good fits...it still wasn't MARIO'S guys. That's a fact.

And hes going to miss on the first class cause thats a sewing together class and kids will transfer in all classes he gets from other kids coming in. Same like the NFL dudes flame out with 1st round picks and u replace them. Everyone misses

 

[IbzRlz]

Sounds like more of the same.. Wouldnt change anything we havent experienced in yearsss

Actually, decades now as it's been more than 20 years...un****ing believable

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Myth, please.

We were never a recruiting giant. Even at the height of our power, we weren't near the top of the recruiting lists and yes, that was a different era.

Schools back the were taking care of players better than we were in most cases, in all kinds of ways. We did it different, with coaches that could win with coaching it their way and they built us into a monster.

****, no bull****, but the guy before him didn't get the financial support we have going now and guess what, he didn't suck on the field as much either. He didn't recruit this high either, it isn't some mystery why that is. It can't be all one way and again, yes, he deserved to be fired.

If the money is there, you have no excuse not to have results. Last year the roster was largely his, it was cheeks too. There are no excuses this year, get it done or your seat is hot as ****. He's got this year and next IMO to show major progress. None of which erases his embarrassement of the two prior years.

As for who is or isn't available, there's always someone available for 8 mil a year. That's top 20 pay and there's coaches not in that pay zone making those rankings. You just gotta find them, most don't. Most don't have our NIL program either.

Wait a second.

First, there were not "recruiting rankings" in the 80s and 90s. There were a handful of random dudes in random cities that gave their opinions (like Bill Buchalter at The Orlando Sentinel), but there was no standardization of recruiting rankings (either individually or by team) prior to 2000.

As for what came after that, we only had a couple of years during the real/modern recruiting ranking systems where we were any good. So whether we "could have" been a recruiting giant in the 2000s (assuming Butch stayed) is merely hypothetical.

I'll say this. I koow that Jimmy and Dennis and Butch were all fantastic recruiters. JJ and Dennis got top players, and Butch struggled initially because of scholarship limitations, but he eventually broke through.

I'll be honest, I actually miss the days when "the best players" were not necessarily known by all, and were the product of the best evaluation and the hardest working coaching staff (along with a little NFL-draft-type subterfuge).

 

[SayWhat]

Apparently he somehow won at Oregon.

You know what's funny, people hated Mario when he barely touched down here and lifted back off to Bama. That choad Francis coined him Benedict Arnold but I said then it was the right move.

Fast forward to his Oregon time. People were clowning the PAC here. Saying how none of them play defense and how they didn't do well in bowl games. The talk was well duh, he's gonna recruit well at Phil's school. They would then point out how everyone was down out there, USC was in the grave, those West coast kids gotta go somewhere.

Now the narrative is what you put out there, he won there. He did, none of that changes, but when did that become some sort of authoratative stamp of approval as a coach? A lot of those things people said were true. In turn, his record is what it is and it landed him this job.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

You know what's funny, people hated Mario when he barely touched down here and lifted back off to Bama. That choad Francis coined him Benedict Arnold but I said then it was the right move.

Fast forward to his Oregon time. People were clowning the PAC here. Saying how none of them play defense and how they didn't do well in bowl games. The talk was well duh, he's gonna recruit well at Phil's school. They would then point out how everyone was down out there, USC was in the grave, those West coast kids gotta go somewhere.

Now the narrative is what you put out there, he won there. He did, none of that changes, but when did that become some sort of authoratative stamp of approval as a coach? A lot of those things people said were true. In turn, his record is what it is and it landed him this job.

I was one of the people who criticized Mario for going to Alabama. I never denied it was a great opportunity, I just had an issue with how he was dealing with his own alma mater. Either you do more due diligence on Golden and conclude "he's not the guy I want to be linked with" or you figure out if there are any potential openings at more "dream schools" (from a coaching standpoint).

But I understood why he made the decision he made.

I still think he is a good coach, but suffers from some of the same "gameday" deficits that Butch suffered from (JJ too, in the big games).

But he is NOT an OC, and should not be blamed for every OC issue (how they used the QB at Oregon, seriously?). Hopefully, he will just let the coordinators coordinate, including clock management and play selection.

I'm just looking forward to the game in Hogtown.

 

[SayWhat]

Wait a second.

First, there were not "recruiting rankings" in the 80s and 90s. There were a handful of random dudes in random cities that gave their opinions (like Bill Buchalter at The Orlando Sentinel), but there was no standardization of recruiting rankings (either individually or by team) prior to 2000.

As for what came after that, we only had a couple of years during the real/modern recruiting ranking systems where we were any good. So whether we "could have" been a recruiting giant in the 2000s (assuming Butch stayed) is merely hypothetical.

I'll say this. I koow that Jimmy and Dennis and Butch were all fantastic recruiters. JJ and Dennis got top players, and Butch struggled initially because of scholarship limitations, but he eventually broke through.

I'll be honest, I actually miss the days when "the best players" were not necessarily known by all, and were the product of the best evaluation and the hardest working coaching staff (along with a little NFL-draft-type subterfuge).

I know what was back then.

Nobody was slobbering over what we were getting back then and yes, it's far different than now.

If there was some big name guy though, we weren't going to swoop in and take them, the traditional powers had tendrils across this land.

Early 2000's we got some nice classes, but everyone could tell the wheels were about to fall off the bus. Winning was the big recruiting tool back then and once that went out the door, it was struggle bus city. The only way around that was bags, that wasn't our game.

Agree with most of that though for sure. Recruiting is a cesspool now and I don't just mean high school, but all the turnover once they get here and takes through the portal. Gotta recruit your team to stay at least the ones you want. Hidden gems are so rare these days.

 

[SayWhat]

I was one of the people who criticized Mario for going to Alabama. I never denied it was a great opportunity, I just had an issue with how he was dealing with his own alma mater. Either you do more due diligence on Golden and conclude "he's not the guy I want to be linked with" or you figure out if there are any potential openings at more "dream schools" (from a coaching standpoint).

But I understood why he made the decision he made.

I still think he is a good coach, but suffers from some of the same "gameday" deficits that Butch suffered from (JJ too, in the big games).

But he is NOT an OC, and should not be blamed for every OC issue (how they used the QB at Oregon, seriously?). Hopefully, he will just let the coordinators coordinate, including clock management and play selection.

I'm just looking forward to the game in Hogtown.

He likely knew that Golden was a dud, but a paycheck is a paycheck. The worst place to be as a coach is not coaching. You skip an opportunity and sit on the sidelines waiting for the right spot, you may never make it back.

As you mention we are his alma mater. The talk would be how he turned us down and that would be a bad look. People in the coaching circles would've said how arrogant he was when the right move was to help in any way he could.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I know what was back then.

Nobody was slobbering over what we were getting back then and yes, it's far different than now.

If there was some big name guy though, we weren't going to swoop in and take them, the traditional powers had tendrils across this land.

Early 2000's we got some nice classes, but everyone could tell the wheels were about to fall off the bus. Winning was the big recruiting tool back then and once that went out the door, it was struggle bus city. The only way around that was bags, that wasn't our game.

Agree with most of that though for sure. Recruiting is a cesspool now and I don't just mean high school, but all the turnover once they get here and takes through the portal. Gotta recruit your team to stay at least the ones you want. Hidden gems are so rare these days.

DJ Wiliams.

Just sayin'.

I realize it's just one example, but it was a guy at the very beginning of the Rivals/Scout ranking system that we took who was the top player in the country.

Again, it was such a short period of time in the "modern" recruiting era, but that's a pretty big name. And let's not forget that Devin was a battle, with some underhanded tricks being played by F$U in an attempt to **** with us for winning that battle.

Ah, the good old days...

 

[Orig.CaneSawMassacre]

If you can't win the ACC with the roster you created, what good are you? Now I agree with you. I don't want the talent to go elsewhere. However, at what point do recruits start saying, "What's the point of playing for Mario? He gets us there, but then doesn't put us in position to make plays."


Winning is more important than just roster building. Eventually recruits get tired of promises of winning. Promises of being developed into first rounders. Let's face it, winning gets kids drafted higher. If Mario fails to win this year, with an all world QB, and stacked talent on O, when will he? It's a real problem, IF he doesn't win this year.

Now, if we somehow go undefeated, then lose the ACC title game, thus not winning the ACC, I'd call that a giant step forward. Going 9-3, with this talent and schedule, would be a huge failure.

In year 3, I expect a big jump. Not just winning games, but putting teams away that should never hang around. This is a huge flaw in Mario's game so far. Too many teams hang around for far too long, thus making every game one screwup day from a big, fat, stinking L. See GT.

We'll know who we are pretty early in the 2024 season. Here's hoping this is the season we play for a title of some kind other than another offseason crown.

I take a brief hiatus from the board and we are being led by this again?

Rinse/Wash/Repeat

This whole thought process has been chewed on over and over, and then regurgitated. Stop the cycle my friend.

We get it you don’t like Mario.

Mario didn’t just take over a team with inferior talent, but one with the EGO of @TheOriginalCane, Football IQ of @fraggle, the Heart of @cway313 ,,,, NEVERMIND - I think I made it clear the situation was bad.

EVERYONE knows at this point, with the investments made it is put up or shut up for Mario. With some small exceptions, i.e….injury to Ward, or a loss in the ACC championship game in a NAIL biter (maybe). It’s CFP or bust. Whether you believe in him, personally hate him because he smashed your girl @Angry Ibis, think he is the worst coach (Fyzical), or don’t give a fart.

If he can’t show he can produce W’e with the support he received this last off-season he will never be able to get it again.

He would be castrating himself.

Can we just get the season started already? So we don’t have to hear the same unoriginal thoughts over and over?

How about telling us what games you think are going to be the most difficult for Mario and why? What being in the CFP would mean for the program and how we could CAPITALIZE financially with Brand recognition via different partners (Remember Deon Craze - The U Is Back 1000x more clicks and interest).

Or ***** it!! Talk about the same old nonsense, it’s why I’m on hiatus anyways. Summertime Fun 2024!!

 

[Ajcane8]

The best thing about winning this year will be that the “manny didn’t get a fair shake” crowd can finally **** allllll the way off.

And I’m only half kidding.

 

[DTP]

The idea that Mario is somehow the only person who could recruit talent here is absolutely ridiculous. If Miami keeps spending and supplying the resources, then there’s plenty of guys who could sign top 5 classes here. Kalen Deboer never signed a class inside the top 30 in his career. He gets hired at Alabama and they have the #2 class in the country.

 

[Ironmanfootball]

Apparently he somehow won at Oregon.

Didn’t make the four team playoff because… he went retarded and lost to an unranked team. Won a consolation prize. Woo. Hoo.

 

[SayWhat]

The best thing about winning this year will be that the “manny didn’t get a fair shake” crowd can finally **** allllll the way off.

And I’m only half kidding.

I must've missed it, but where in the world were the Manny didn't get a fair shake crowd? His firing, even with the way he went out on the season, was universally accepted as just across the board. His firing was actually one of the very few times everyone was in agreement.

Quit making false narratives.

 

[TheEye]

I must've missed it, but where in the world were the Manny didn't get a fair shake crowd? His firing, even with the way he went out on the season, was universally accepted as just across the board. His firing was actually one of the very few times everyone was in agreement.

Quit making false narratives.

You didn’t see it on this board, but an alumnus I went to school with said literally that. He didn’t get a fair shot. I echoed what we say here. He should never have been our HC.

 

[TheEye]

You know what's funny, people hated Mario when he barely touched down here and lifted back off to Bama. That choad Francis coined him Benedict Arnold but I said then it was the right move.

Fast forward to his Oregon time. People were clowning the PAC here. Saying how none of them play defense and how they didn't do well in bowl games. The talk was well duh, he's gonna recruit well at Phil's school. They would then point out how everyone was down out there, USC was in the grave, those West coast kids gotta go somewhere.

Now the narrative is what you put out there, he won there. He did, none of that changes, but when did that become some sort of authoratative stamp of approval as a coach?

Because…that’s how you hire a Head Coach. It’s literally what you will look at to name Mario’s replacement. Past performance. Mario coached here for two seasons and people on this board are done with him. We could literally hire Kirby Smart and if he struggles here, then suddenly you want him gone after year two?

 

[WinifredPayne]

That talent has to get older and then the new talent three seasons in has to push the misses out. Once you get that machine going trust me it will look crazy and it will be fixed. Need time with this build especially with the state the program was

Internally running a program produces results, we've been shortchanged and underperforming since day one of his tenure. We've been a paper tiger so far, does that change this year?

When some guy who looked like a cowboy more than a coach came to town, people said WTF more or less. Nobody thought that hair obsessed man from OK State would do a **** thing here, he proved all wrong. The list goes on, there wasn't NIL, but these former coaches won upstairs, by being brilliant at their job.

There's still coaches out there like that. Give them the reigns if Mario fails, support them the same way, you'll get results.

Everyone on this board went from he's worth an extra 2 or 3 wins to this is going to take forever, needs all this time, and be patient. He's come in looking like the worst game day coach we've possible ever had. We've looked sloppy and undisciplined the entire way, that's not internally promising.

You can flip talent quicker now than ever. There wasn't an excuse last year, there isn't one this year. He got bent over backwards by the past Duke coach and there's no comparison of financial backing or roster.

Kind of done taking about Mario if I'm honest. It's time to put up or shut up. All flash an no substance to this point. He's looked downright lost at times so far after a game, no solutions to be had. All the while he's getting paid far more than anyone ever before all while it's legal to pay for players. This merc team of ours better get it done or kids will quit falling for it, no matter how much you offer to pay.

I thought last year was despicable. I was so irritated, but it is a new year and a chance to reset. You are right really zero excuses this year. I was happier with this hire than Manny or Golden. I really liked the Richt hire. If the same keeps happening, we are stuck with Mario awhile no matter. I am optimistic. Yes, he is being paid more but I am not going to sit here and act like Manny had this team disciplined, nor did Richt or Golden. There have been problems a while, but I am not going to crap on Mario at every turn. I just hope it's a new dawn in 2024.

 

[cway313]

I take a brief hiatus from the board and we are being led by this again?

Rinse/Wash/Repeat

This whole thought process has been chewed on over and over, and then regurgitated. Stop the cycle my friend.

We get it you don’t like Mario.

Mario didn’t just take over a team with inferior talent, but one with the EGO of @TheOriginalCane, Football IQ of @fraggle, the Heart of @cway313 ,,,, NEVERMIND - I think I made it clear the situation was bad.

EVERYONE knows at this point, with the investments made it is put up or shut up for Mario. With some small exceptions, i.e….injury to Ward, or a loss in the ACC championship game in a NAIL biter (maybe). It’s CFP or bust. Whether you believe in him, personally hate him because he smashed your girl @Angry Ibis, think he is the worst coach (Fyzical), or don’t give a fart.

If he can’t show he can produce W’e with the support he received this last off-season he will never be able to get it again.

He would be castrating himself.

Can we just get the season started already? So we don’t have to hear the same unoriginal thoughts over and over?

How about telling us what games you think are going to be the most difficult for Mario and why? What being in the CFP would mean for the program and how we could CAPITALIZE financially with Brand recognition via different partners (Remember Deon Craze - The U Is Back 1000x more clicks and interest).

Or ***** it!! Talk about the same old nonsense, it’s why I’m on hiatus anyways. Summertime Fun 2024!!

Go away

 

[WinifredPayne]

You know what's funny, people hated Mario when he barely touched down here and lifted back off to Bama. That choad Francis coined him Benedict Arnold but I said then it was the right move.

Fast forward to his Oregon time. People were clowning the PAC here. Saying how none of them play defense and how they didn't do well in bowl games. The talk was well duh, he's gonna recruit well at Phil's school. They would then point out how everyone was down out there, USC was in the grave, those West coast kids gotta go somewhere.

Now the narrative is what you put out there, he won there. He did, none of that changes, but when did that become some sort of authoratative stamp of approval as a coach? A lot of those things people said were true. In turn, his record is what it is and it landed him this job.

I wanted Mario when Manny was hired, I hated Manny being hired as a first-time head corch. I thought he did best he could and was set up to fail by idiot flake james.

 

[Dwinstitles]

I thought last year was despicable. I was so irritated, but it is a new year and a chance to reset. You are right really zero excuses this year. I was happier with this hire than Manny or Golden. I really liked the Richt hire. If the same keeps happening, we are stuck with Mario awhile no matter. I am optimistic. Yes, he is being paid more but I am not going to sit here and act like Manny had this team disciplined, nor did Richt or Golden. There have been problems a while, but I am not going to crap on Mario at every turn. I just hope it's a new dawn in 2024.

we will look way better, 25 was my year but the portal did leap expectations possibly a year earlier.