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Should be a Fun Thread for the Blue Chip Ratio Civil War Argument

This same team with another coach is much better.. do this same thing with another roster with more wins
 
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Cribby said:
I’m in the middle on all of this. I’m blaming coaches and players and believe this will be fixed over time. That said i won’t bite my tongue if I see god awful coaching and I do. As I’ve been saying this early in the season “ this is bad on both sides“.
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It’s a cop out for posters TO ME. This is far from a bad roster. And I don’t wanna debate it either. Coaching is 80% the issue
 
SouthParkCane said:
It’s a cop out for posters TO ME. This is far from a bad roster. And I don’t wanna debate it either. Coaching is 80% the issue
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Cribby said:
I know why they do it and I imagine you do too.
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Hold on…I know the coaching is **** poor. There’s no debate there, and they deserve the brunt of the blame. but you’re telling me this roster, what we saw against Duke, what we saw last year, or even the year prior…making the same mistakes they’ve been making for three seasons…struggling against every ACC team, no matter the win or loss, it was always eventful in the wrong way…isn’t bad?

Woof. I mean 70% of those players I listed, I don’t think they start at a lot of schools we try to compare ourselves to. Some aren’t in the two deep.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
Hold on…I know the coaching is **** poor. There’s no debate there, and they deserve the brunt of the blame. but you’re telling me this roster, what we saw against Duke, what we saw last year, or even the year prior…making the same mistakes they’ve been making for three seasons…struggling against every ACC team, no matter the win or loss, it was always eventful in the wrong way…isn’t bad?

Woof. I mean 70% of those players I listed, I don’t think they start at a lot of schools we try to compare ourselves to. Some aren’t in the two deep.
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they start on duke, middle Tennessee, UVA, etc. imo which is where we should be comparing ourselves to.
 
The canesman said:
I kind of agree. I feel Mario’s intent on toughening up this team fell on deaf ears. I think he thought with good intention he could accomplish this and at the same time give those chances to those who won’t work hard. and Yes it takes time to get to truly know your roster. Not using the portal more was a mistake he is now finding out. Great point. This bunch for who ever or what ever has quit on Mario. They miss the disco dancing camera mugging and the jewelry.
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what about the coaches that put the same players in terrible situations as did they for most of the season so far? its both, but you dont exactly endear yourself to a roster you refuse to listen to.
 
hoops156 said:
they start on duke, middle Tennessee, UVA, etc. imo which is where we should be comparing ourselves to.
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hoops156 said:
apparently SFL diva mentality. Parrish must have missed the boat on that
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Its always pick n choose with it too. lol

The leaders on both sides are NOT s.fla kids but they routinely bypass that.

Its basically a cop out...they must suck because they are from s.fla and are divas. Sh*t is running old when its with EVERY COACH...including the last 2 coaches who are from.....SOUTH FLORIDA. Mario not a diva?. Randy Shannon?...Manny Diaz?.

Naw just evaluate talent from EVERYWHERE and develop them put them in positions to SUCCEED insted of 3rd and long having Corey Flagg in a TAMPA 2...Or asking Romello Brinson to be a blocker along with Will Mallory. SH*t is sooo frustrating. Most of the issues we have now were seen by posters since the spring and we dont get paid for this or spend the hours doing it.

If i was a coach it would literally take me 10 mins to know Will Mallory cant block..or DJ ivey doesnt have long speed.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
I refuse the believe that it’s only Miami that recruits the “wrong 4 and 5 star” guys. It’s coaching and terrible scheme/play calling.
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I used to think the same;

I think, honestly, what has transpired is the hand me down of poor coaching & leadership. That, in turn, led to the young men who have come to follow suit.

I mean, let’s go back in a Time Machine:

2004 & 2005 Recruiting Classes:

Looked great on paper, being the #3 & #9 ranked classes, respectively. Some real headliners in that class; they did absolutely chit here, including helping Coker get fired

When there’s no leadership at the top, the leaders (the upper class men) take that queue. What we’ve witnessed is this carousel of **** poor coaches, looked upon to change what their predecessor did b4 them. Imo, this season was going to be a wash, although I felt we would & should be able to win at least 8 this yr, I knew the mentality of this roster was a mess.

However, next yr, there r no excuses or reasoning.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
Merely dropping this rankings (per 247) that highlights a majority of our players (or former players) that were considered blue chippers and what their rankings were coming out of high school. # indicates their national rank. Putting this here instead of recruiting because I think the main board needs to see it with their own eyes.

2018 Class
- Lorenzo Lingard (#25, 5-star)
- Brevin Jordan (#33, 4-star)
- Nesta Jade Silvera (#54, 4-star)
- Mark Pope (#67, 4-star)
- Jarren Williams (#77, 4-star)
- Al Blades Jr. (#97, 4-star)
- DJ Scaife (#149, 4-star)
- Brian Hightower (#154, 4-star)
- Cam’ron Harris (#173, 4-star)
- Gurvan Hall (#184, 4-star)
- Gilbert Frierson (#200, 4-star)
- Will Mallory (#211, 4-star)
- Cleveland Reed (#259, 4-star)
- Marquez Ezzard (#345, 4-star)
- DJ Ivey (#353, 4-star)

2019 Class
- Jeremiah Payton (#56, 4-star)
- Christian Williams (#160, 4-star)
- Keontra Smith (#188, 4-star)
- Avery Huff (#207, 4-star)
- Jahfari Harvey (#210, 4-star)
- Jason Blissett (#297, 4-star)
- Te’Cory Couch (#340, 4-star)

2020 Class
- Avantae Williams (#45, 4-star)
- Chantz Williams (#85, 4-star)
- Jaylen Knighton (#106, 4-star)
- Don Chaney (#116, 4-star)
- Jalen Rivers (#128, 4-star)
- Michael Redding (#179, 4-star)
- Tyler Van Dyke (#222, 4-star)
- Jalen Harrell (#233, 4-star)
- Isaiah Dunson (#325, 4-star)
- Elijah Roberts (#358, 4-star)

2021 Class
- Leonard Taylor (#11, 5-star)
- James Williams (#15, 5-star)
- Jake Garcia (#48, 4-star)
- Romello Brinson (#144, 4-star)
- Jacolby George (#175, 4-star)
- Laurence Seymore (#185, 4-star)
- Elijah Arroyo (#216, 4-star)
- Breshard Smith (#220, 4-star)
- Cody Brown (#233, 4-star)
- Jabari Ishmael (#243, 4-star)
- Thad Franklin (#247, 4-star)
- Chase Smith (#294, 4-star)
- Kamren Kitchens (#332, 4-star)
- Michael McLaughlin (#341, 4-star)

So here’s a couple points I want to make, and I don’t really think there’s a argument to it but hey, it’s CIS.

1. This might be one of the worst collective blue-chip ratios in college football history. There are an absurd number of busts, and of the handful of decent players listed above, some are now no longer with the program. 2019 and 2020, what’s supposed to be the foundation of your team…wooooof.

2. A fair number of these busts, or players not playing up to their potential, are Florida guys. And yet, we know Florida dominates the NFL. What does that show us? We’re recruiting the wrong ones, or we’re settling on 2nd and 3rd tied guys that are propped up by stars and don’t get developed in college.

For those that want to scream blue chip ratio and it’s all Mario’s fault, there’s your blue chip ratio. Look at the players, not the stars.

The coaches suck and are to blame for a majority of this season, but the writing is literally right there on the wall…

The players on this roster stink.
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It just shows we don’t develop. That is all!! Ain’t no way in **** we just keep selecting the wrong guys over and over again!!
 
Goulds Cane said:
The OOS/non-SFL kids have been much bigger busts than the local kids
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gogeta4 said:
But that doesnt help their point of ...SOUTH FLORIDA BAD.
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You sure? Idk just about S. Fla, but a lot of the blue chip Florida kids in general busted, or we’re just average (JAGS)

2018: Lingard, Nesta, Pope, Blades, Scaife, Gurvan, Reed, Ivey…that’s a majority.

2019: Payton, Keontra, Huff.

Harvey and Couch are good but nothing exceeding their star ranking; one could say they really haven’t played like 4-stars. Again a majority of blue chippers not cutting it.

2020: Avantae, Chantz, Jaylen, Don, Redding, Harrell, Roberts.

Jalen Rivers is our best player from Florida. TVD and Dunson out of state. Woof - bad Florida class, or in Don’s case - just not available. The best ability is availability.

2021 is a bit too early to totally give up on guys, but very clear the following aren’t playing up to their number: Taylor, James, Brinson, George, Seymore, Ishmael, Thad, McLaughlin.

I know both of you spend hours upon hours researching Florida guys so you’re invested - and I am not trashing you in any way because I appreciate all the video clips and breakdowns…but our Florida kids - they’re not good. Or at the very least…they’re not performing to expectations, and that’s through 2 staffs so far. Just calling a spade a spade - the OOS kids haven’t been exactly lighting it up either.

Luckily, the 2022 guys, while young…look promising (Wes, Kelly, etc.)
 
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WeBallinBoyz said:
Merely dropping this rankings (per 247) that highlights a majority of our players (or former players) that were considered blue chippers and what their rankings were coming out of high school. # indicates their national rank. Putting this here instead of recruiting because I think the main board needs to see it with their own eyes.

2018 Class
- Lorenzo Lingard (#25, 5-star)
- Brevin Jordan (#33, 4-star)
- Nesta Jade Silvera (#54, 4-star)
- Mark Pope (#67, 4-star)
- Jarren Williams (#77, 4-star)
- Al Blades Jr. (#97, 4-star)
- DJ Scaife (#149, 4-star)
- Brian Hightower (#154, 4-star)
- Cam’ron Harris (#173, 4-star)
- Gurvan Hall (#184, 4-star)
- Gilbert Frierson (#200, 4-star)
- Will Mallory (#211, 4-star)
- Cleveland Reed (#259, 4-star)
- Marquez Ezzard (#345, 4-star)
- DJ Ivey (#353, 4-star)

2019 Class
- Jeremiah Payton (#56, 4-star)
- Christian Williams (#160, 4-star)
- Keontra Smith (#188, 4-star)
- Avery Huff (#207, 4-star)
- Jahfari Harvey (#210, 4-star)
- Jason Blissett (#297, 4-star)
- Te’Cory Couch (#340, 4-star)

2020 Class
- Avantae Williams (#45, 4-star)
- Chantz Williams (#85, 4-star)
- Jaylen Knighton (#106, 4-star)
- Don Chaney (#116, 4-star)
- Jalen Rivers (#128, 4-star)
- Michael Redding (#179, 4-star)
- Tyler Van Dyke (#222, 4-star)
- Jalen Harrell (#233, 4-star)
- Isaiah Dunson (#325, 4-star)
- Elijah Roberts (#358, 4-star)

2021 Class
- Leonard Taylor (#11, 5-star)
- James Williams (#15, 5-star)
- Jake Garcia (#48, 4-star)
- Romello Brinson (#144, 4-star)
- Jacolby George (#175, 4-star)
- Laurence Seymore (#185, 4-star)
- Elijah Arroyo (#216, 4-star)
- Breshard Smith (#220, 4-star)
- Cody Brown (#233, 4-star)
- Jabari Ishmael (#243, 4-star)
- Thad Franklin (#247, 4-star)
- Chase Smith (#294, 4-star)
- Kamren Kitchens (#332, 4-star)
- Michael McLaughlin (#341, 4-star)

So here’s a couple points I want to make, and I don’t really think there’s a argument to it but hey, it’s CIS.

1. This might be one of the worst collective blue-chip ratios in college football history. There are an absurd number of busts, and of the handful of decent players listed above, some are now no longer with the program. 2019 and 2020, what’s supposed to be the foundation of your team…wooooof.

2. A fair number of these busts, or players not playing up to their potential, are Florida guys. And yet, we know Florida dominates the NFL. What does that show us? We’re recruiting the wrong ones, or we’re settling on 2nd and 3rd tied guys that are propped up by stars and don’t get developed in college.

For those that want to scream blue chip ratio and it’s all Mario’s fault, there’s your blue chip ratio. Look at the players, not the stars.

The coaches suck and are to blame for a majority of this season, but the writing is literally right there on the wall…

The players on this roster stink.
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People that look at Blue Chip ratio and live by it do not understand that those numbers do not apply to us, just like they do not apply to most of the teams on that list that under perform. There are more teams that underperform on those lists year-to-year than overperform, nevermind perform at level. Its not a good measure to judge teams by.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
You sure? Idk just about S. Fla, but a lot of the blue chip Florida kids in general busted, or we’re just average (JAGS)

2018: Lingard, Nesta, Pope, Blades, Scaife, Gurvan, Reed, Ivey…that’s a majority.

2019: Payton, Keontra, Huff.

Harvey and Couch are good but nothing exceeding their star ranking; one could say they really haven’t played like 4-stars. Again a majority of blue chippers not cutting it.

2020: Avantae, Chantz, Jaylen, Don, Redding, Harrell, Roberts.

Jalen Rivers is our best player from Florida. TVD and Dunson out of state. Woof - bad Florida class, or in Don’s case - just not available. The best ability is availability.

2021 is a bit too early to totally give up on guys, but very clear the following aren’t playing up to their number: Taylor, James, Brinson, George, Seymore, Ishmael, Thad, McLaughlin.

I know both of you spend hours upon hours researching Florida guys so you’re invested - and I am not trashing you in any way because I appreciate all the video clips and breakdowns…but our Florida kids - they’re not good. Or at the very least…they’re not performing to expectations, and that’s through 2 staffs so far. Just calling a spade a spade - the OOS kids haven’t been exactly lighting it up either.

Luckily, the 2022 guys, while young…look promising (Wes, Kelly, etc.)
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Check the bolded.
 
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