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Should be a Fun Thread for the Blue Chip Ratio Civil War Argument

Rod Is Godly said:
Nah this thread has me sick to my stomach. I don’t care what anyone says about stars, that list of names is atrocious. Talent evaluation has to be the #1 focus moving forward. Half of those guys never even played here (or where they transferred to).

Edit: Bro I had to circle back… you’re telling me we really only have 3 blue-chippers from 2019? Harvey, Smith, Couch??? 3?!!?!?!?!? Nah man I’m about convinced it’s the roster.
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We had far more than 3 blue chippers. I don’t have the sheet in front of me, but we bottomed out I think with 21 blue chippers in 2012 I think. By 2019 we were well into the high 30s, and the last two years our blue chip overall ratio was 54%
 
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Rod Is Godly said:
Nah this thread has me sick to my stomach. I don’t care what anyone says about stars, that list of names is atrocious. Talent evaluation has to be the #1 focus moving forward. Half of those guys never even played here (or where they transferred to).

Edit: Bro I had to circle back… you’re telling me we really only have 3 blue-chippers from 2019? Harvey, Smith, Couch??? 3?!!?!?!?!? Nah man I’m about convinced it’s the roster.
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That’s what Zo is there for. Talent evaluation. This will be his first official cycle.
 
Rod Is Godly said:
Nah this thread has me sick to my stomach. I don’t care what anyone says about stars, that list of names is atrocious. Talent evaluation has to be the #1 focus moving forward. Half of those guys never even played here (or where they transferred to).

Edit: Bro I had to circle back… you’re telling me we really only have 3 blue-chippers from 2019? Harvey, Smith, Couch??? 3?!!?!?!?!? Nah man I’m about convinced it’s the roster.
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I made a post about this either earlier this month or late last month. It’s earth shattering when you go & look at the composition of the 55% blue chips. That looks good on paper, but that’s good only if u’re 55% is a 100% accuracy on evaluation.
 
Well sometimes maybe the problem is some people think it's 1981 and we are just going to put up this imaginary fence around South Florida??? I can't imagine anyone actually still thinking like that? But who knows?
 
I hope Mario keeps recruiting nationally. Idc if theres 1 player from South Florida on the entire roster. I also don’t care how many make the NFL from South Florida. The ones we get don’t.
 
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GojiraCane said:
On the offense...it comes down to playcalling and the talent on offensive line. Prime Michael Vick and Vince Young would have looked terrible back there, Prime Adrian Peterson or Frank Gore would have been stuffed, and Prime Larry Fitzgerald would have be bored. Because there would be no holes for the running back, no time for the quarterback to throw, and obviously no throws to be made to the wide receivers.

So how good or bad are our wide receivers and running backs? Who knows. Because a bad offensive line and suboptimal playcalling negate them. I do know this...offensive line has the lowest blue chip talent of any position on offense:

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The problem I see this staff is suppose to be good with olinemen yet they didn't bring anyone from the portal that was able to replace any starters from our supposedly bad oline.And if anyone mentions zion being hurt to me that doesn't mean anything I see him as just some ok guy that will be lucky to go by the 3rd round
 
the way I understand it, the star system works like this:

the 4 and 5 stars are automatically great players in college who will also play 9 years in the NFL.

if that doesn’t happen, then it was just due to bad coaching.

even though everyone knows that only miami can’t develop players, there may be some other schools in college football with bad coaches, who ruin the 5 stars with bad development. but that’s just a fluke. maybe those players decided to give up football, and take up crochet. otherwise they would have automatically been great players

i know a lot of NFL GM’s and coaches wished they had the high school star system run by a bunch of old post office employees. Then they wouldn’t have to worry about first round draft choices that end up busts. they could just go for the sure thing as the star system told them to do.

bummer for them
 
hoops156 said:
I would agree but isnt that what Mario is doing now regarding veterans? we still roll out the same dudes who make mistakes weekly. we never really used arroyo when healthy in the pass game. we took a month plus to get young ut there when no one else did anything. we still rolled out 70 on the line. when the coach has to go w all young guys at any point, its a failure of the season bc its literally saying I give up and have nothing left so maybe the unknown saves my ***. Manny went more towards youth last year once he went 2-4.
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OK, here’s my counter to you:

What have the replacements done? Have the OL looked better w/ the replacements? Have the pups that’s come in for Ivey looked better? Does Blades inspire confidence over J Williams? Should Huff get burn over Flagg?

Young admittedly was struggling at the adjustment. He was a late arrival to camp, & between the playbook, speed of the game & weather, he wasn’t ready. He said that out of his own mouth.

This is not picking on u, but I think the $8m price tag have many of u blinded to the reality:

The composition of this roster prior to Mario went:
7-6
6-7
8-3
7-5

The composition of this roster have lost to
FIU
3-9 GT
LA Tech
5-7 Duke
6-6 UVA
5-7 FSU

The composition of this roster have been on:
-4 game losing streak in 2018
-3 game losing streak 2018-2019
-3 game losing streak 2019
-3 game losing streak 2019-2020
-3 of 4 game losses 2021 (w/ FCS CCSU as the streak breaker)

Yet, somehow in 2022 this has all been forgotten. It’s Mario’s fault; what’s Mario’s fault is running a 4 min offense w/ 2 mins to go in the half. What’s Mario’s fault is drinking the Kool-Aid on Gattis. That, I have no problems w/; this roster?? Nah, that’s the previous staff, & we’ve been complaining about this roster for way too long. Bad coaching & evals have sunk this program.

We need a complete *****, and that includes some hires this yr. Regardless, this is what this roster have done w/ a coach who’s bound for the CFB HOF, & a lipsy guy who’s smarter than all of us combined.
 
JgDaCane said:
I hope Mario keeps recruiting nationally. Idc if theres 1 player from South Florida on the entire roster. I also don’t care how many make the NFL from South Florida. The ones we get don’t.
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Like I said in a post last week, we could win three NCs on a row and we’d still lose out on a lot of S FL kids. I’m tired of chasing kids who don’t want to be on the area to begin with. Go wherever you need to go. I don’t care if it’s Anchorage.
 
Rellyrell said:
OK, here’s my counter to you:

What have the replacements done? Have the OL looked better w/ the replacements? Have the pups that’s come in for Ivey looked better? Does Blades inspire confidence over J Williams? Should Huff get burn over Flagg?

Young admittedly was struggling at the adjustment. He was a late arrival to camp, & between the playbook, speed of the game & weather, he wasn’t ready. He said that out of his own mouth.

This is not picking on u, but I think the $8m price tag have many of u blinded to the reality:

The composition of this roster prior to Mario went:
7-6
6-7
8-3
7-5

The composition of this roster have lost to
FIU
3-9 GT
LA Tech
5-7 Duke
6-6 UVA
5-7 FSU

The composition of this roster have been on:
-4 game losing streak in 2018
-3 game losing streak 2018-2019
-3 game losing streak 2019
-3 game losing streak 2019-2020
-3 of 4 game losses 2021 (w/ FCS CCSU as the streak breaker)

Yet, somehow in 2022 this has all been forgotten. It’s Mario’s fault; what’s Mario’s fault is running a 4 min offense w/ 2 mins to go in the half. What’s Mario’s fault is drinking the Kool-Aid on Gattis. That, I have no problems w/; this roster?? Nah, that’s the previous staff, & we’ve been complaining about this roster for way too long. Bad coaching & evals have sunk this program.

We need a complete *****, and that includes some hires this yr. Regardless, this is what this roster have done w/ a coach who’s bound for the CFB HOF, & a lipsy guy who’s smarter than all of us combined.
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We’ll Mario brought his two culture ol that he coached w him and they’re worse than the previous starters
 
Glow said:
Can we get an eval of the talent at MTSU and Duke. It is possible their guys are better than we assume, but I doubt it.
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Talent ain't the reason Jake Garcia turned the ball over 5 times...Against MTSU, those blue chip CB's all got burned by some less talented WR who's just faster, along with football IQ (coverage breakdowns). MTSU and Duke did not line up and "out athlete" us.
 
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WeBallinBoyz said:
Merely dropping this rankings (per 247) that highlights a majority of our players (or former players) that were considered blue chippers and what their rankings were coming out of high school. # indicates their national rank. Putting this here instead of recruiting because I think the main board needs to see it with their own eyes.

2018 Class
- Lorenzo Lingard (#25, 5-star)
- Brevin Jordan (#33, 4-star)
- Nesta Jade Silvera (#54, 4-star)
- Mark Pope (#67, 4-star)
- Jarren Williams (#77, 4-star)
- Al Blades Jr. (#97, 4-star)
- DJ Scaife (#149, 4-star)
- Brian Hightower (#154, 4-star)
- Cam’ron Harris (#173, 4-star)
- Gurvan Hall (#184, 4-star)
- Gilbert Frierson (#200, 4-star)
- Will Mallory (#211, 4-star)
- Cleveland Reed (#259, 4-star)
- Marquez Ezzard (#345, 4-star)
- DJ Ivey (#353, 4-star)

2019 Class
- Jeremiah Payton (#56, 4-star)
- Christian Williams (#160, 4-star)
- Keontra Smith (#188, 4-star)
- Avery Huff (#207, 4-star)
- Jahfari Harvey (#210, 4-star)
- Jason Blissett (#297, 4-star)
- Te’Cory Couch (#340, 4-star)

2020 Class
- Avantae Williams (#45, 4-star)
- Chantz Williams (#85, 4-star)
- Jaylen Knighton (#106, 4-star)
- Don Chaney (#116, 4-star)
- Jalen Rivers (#128, 4-star)
- Michael Redding (#179, 4-star)
- Tyler Van Dyke (#222, 4-star)
- Jalen Harrell (#233, 4-star)
- Isaiah Dunson (#325, 4-star)
- Elijah Roberts (#358, 4-star)

2021 Class
- Leonard Taylor (#11, 5-star)
- James Williams (#15, 5-star)
- Jake Garcia (#48, 4-star)
- Romello Brinson (#144, 4-star)
- Jacolby George (#175, 4-star)
- Laurence Seymore (#185, 4-star)
- Elijah Arroyo (#216, 4-star)
- Breshard Smith (#220, 4-star)
- Cody Brown (#233, 4-star)
- Jabari Ishmael (#243, 4-star)
- Thad Franklin (#247, 4-star)
- Chase Smith (#294, 4-star)
- Kamren Kitchens (#332, 4-star)
- Michael McLaughlin (#341, 4-star)

So here’s a couple points I want to make, and I don’t really think there’s a argument to it but hey, it’s CIS.

1. This might be one of the worst collective blue-chip ratios in college football history. There are an absurd number of busts, and of the handful of decent players listed above, some are now no longer with the program. 2019 and 2020, what’s supposed to be the foundation of your team…wooooof.

2. A fair number of these busts, or players not playing up to their potential, are Florida guys. And yet, we know Florida dominates the NFL. What does that show us? We’re recruiting the wrong ones, or we’re settling on 2nd and 3rd tied guys that are propped up by stars and don’t get developed in college.

For those that want to scream blue chip ratio and it’s all Mario’s fault, there’s your blue chip ratio. Look at the players, not the stars.

The coaches suck and are to blame for a majority of this season, but the writing is literally right there on the wall…

The players on this roster stink.
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The coaches had months to read the writing…
 
CIS always told me South Florida 3 stars = 4 stars elsewhere. Heard that for like 10+ years

But ACC Coastal has taught me, South Florida 4 Stars = 3 Stars elsewhere.

Meant to be a joke but it's proven with Miami to be literally be true. Our 4 stars are busts or JAGS 80%+ of time and we get beat by 2/3 star ACC corstal teams every single year non stop.

South Florida 5 stars are legit (90% of time, so need to land them) but otherwise we need to start recruiting nationally. Times have changed.
 
Kids going to schools like Bama, Clemson, OSU etc are making business decisions. They get to those schools with the mindset of working hard and being the best at they position. When they get there there is already a winning culture established there. They just fall in line with the leaders of the team. Kids choosing UM for last 20 years been choosing for the past culture. To say hey I wear so and so number. To say yea folks saying I’m the next so and so. The culture that exist now and years prior is just trying to be the coolest and flashiest. Dwell in the glitz and glamor of the city of Miami and live in the past of what former players did.

I believe that how you get a Jacory Brooks at Bama doing good things but we get a Romello Brinson same high school different college that can’t even see the field. You get a Dallas Turner terrorizing qbs but we can’t get one upperclassmen end outside of a transfer get to the qb. The list goes on and on
 
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