Shodell on the morning podcast show

[San Amaro Dr]

One of you OL guys (@San Amaro Dr, @gogeta4, et al) gotta give me a lesson on how to spot and differentiate duo from inside zone in a mosh pit. I’m aware of the basics. I’m also aware you need a strong center and at least a solid enough TE or ‘wing’ to free up guys moving to the second level.

Just had this brought up today off the board, and while I have long said I know close to zip about OL other than whatever I overheard or watched from afar in a WingT, I’d love to tell based on the OL footwork or something.

I’ve seen duo run clean and clearly when they practice it and you see the OL working off the doubles and moving into the second level, but when I watch most of our current run plays, it looks like a straight up zone mess with LBs flying into the interior gaps.

As part of that convo, I mentioned how a dynamic guy like Cam, who could pull the ball or rip an RPO off a LB’s ear, changed the entire dynamic of its effectiveness. Simply by keeping defenders who would otherwise be in conflict from flying down. Carson has done that like 3x this year? I also don’t see the quick ins Horton received last year from Cam.

So, we get a mosh pit. How do you tell within that? What are we supposed to do about that if Carson doesn’t magically start pulling or throwing and opponents continue to send guys downhill?

Can’t put long response together now but here’s a cheat sheet. The path of the back can get a little blurry at times but focus on initial path.

Taken from Geoff Schwartz

 

[1mg of Epi]

Whether or not his source is right or if this is nonsense, how can anyone argue they’ve decided to play a certain conservative, predictable way?

That’s not quite what shodell said…

He said the plan for this season was to play complimentary football, not conservative football. They want longer drives than last season, because they’re worried about the depth on defense being exposed.

 

[The U is back to work]

We’re trying to burn this down already after one loss?

I didn’t expect UM to go undefeated - people would be moronic to assume that. My fear is this will result in 2 more losses because we now have a blueprint against us and we are a stubborn stubborn team. Mario is going to keep doing the Mario way of trying to out tough teams and while the schedule is very easy and we will be favored I believe we will lose to SMU and lose to Pitt which would mean a very average season for a team that has invested all-in back to back years.

 

[Cane44]

One of the podcasts talked about mario handling the long season, particularly during the next long stretch of games, very much like an NFL team handles their personnel. Guys will get "off days" to recover. 100% what you just said.

Seems like a reasonable plan to me.

in a way... I would of went easy the (rest wise) week after FSU, but gotta turn the gears/volume back up week leading up to Lville

 

[LuCane]

That’s not quite what shodell said…

He said the plan for this season was to play complimentary football, not conservative football. They want longer drives than last season, because they’re worried about the depth on defense being exposed.

I'm not referring to what he said. I'm referring to what I see. In any case, you're arguing we haven't been conservative? Cautious and minimization of risk (via playcalling, pace, and design). I guess I need to better understand how you define conservative.

 

[hoops156]

I'm not referring to what he said. I'm referring to what I see. In any case, you're arguing we haven't been conservative? Cautious and minimization of risk (via playcalling, pace, and design). I guess I need to better understand how you define conservative.

we are conservative.

also, its year 4 and were still worrying about the depth of the defense.

 

[hoops156]

in a way... I would of went easy the (rest wise) week after FSU, but gotta turn the gears/volume back up week leading up to Lville

agreed, but the issue is, if the coaches didnt see an issue in the scheme, play designs, gameplan then nothing was going to save us vs Lville. they out coached us by a million. we had no counters for them on offense especially. the lone counter we tried was throw a million screens.

 

[Cane44]

agreed, but the issue is, if the coaches didnt see an issue in the scheme, play designs, gameplan then nothing was going to save us vs Lville. they out coached us by a million. we had no counters for them on offense especially. the lone counter we tried was throw a million screens.

oh no doubt... wasn't even getting to that issue... was just saying how I'd approach a bye week after a tough rival game...

 

[Juancane]

We threw the ball 35 times.......ran it 24 including 5 from beck who was obviously trying to pass instead. So it was like 40 -19 and everyone here is still talking about ball control. Every time we lose a game, all the same comments come out without actually looking at what happened. We lost cause our team was wholly unfocused. All the **** we didn't do before - like 15 yard penalties on samrt guys like Cici and Toney - happened in this game. We didn't tackle. All the rat poison stuff seems to have actually been true. That you can blame on Mario for sure.

 

[harphong]

We’re trying to burn this down already after one loss?

Yes. Tape is out. Other teams want to win.

 

[TallyCane]

We definitely have not ran as much up tempo this year under Dawson as we have in the past. Would be odd for Mario to run a country club esque practice.

 

[Hurracanes]

We all knew it was going to be different this year with Cam gone. NO ONE outside Hecht knew exactly what it was going to look like.

I didn’t expect this conservative approach. I knew it would look different but this is absurd. We brought in a NFL QB to run up the middle and throw WR screens in a concentrated space package. We run this offense like Emory is running the offense.

 

[Gables Cane]

We threw the ball 35 times.......ran it 24 including 5 from beck who was obviously trying to pass instead. So it was like 40 -19 and everyone here is still talking about ball control. Every time we lose a game, all the same comments come out without actually looking at what happened. We lost cause our team was wholly unfocused. All the **** we didn't do before - like 15 yard penalties on samrt guys like Cici and Toney - happened in this game. We didn't tackle. All the rat poison stuff seems to have actually been true. That you can blame on Mario for sure.

We did not lose because the team was unfocused. We lost because the Louisville coaching staff had a better game plan than Miami’s coaching staff AND the Louisville players executed that game plan better than Miami’s players executed our game plan.

Said differently, we got out-coached, out-schemed and out-executed. Period. It happens. It happens too often with Mario in October/November. And, if it happens again this year (decent chance), we will not make the playoffs after starting 5-0. Something that was highly unlikely less than a week ago.

 

[skyman]

One of you OL guys (@San Amaro Dr, @gogeta4, et al) gotta give me a lesson on how to spot and differentiate duo from inside zone in a mosh pit. I’m aware of the basics. I’m also aware you need a strong center and at least a solid enough TE or ‘wing’ to free up guys moving to the second level.

Just had this brought up today off the board, and while I have long said I know close to zip about OL other than whatever I overheard or watched from afar in a WingT, I’d love to tell based on the OL footwork or something.

I’ve seen duo run clean and clearly when they practice it and you see the OL working off the doubles and moving into the second level, but when I watch most of our current run plays, it looks like a straight up zone mess with LBs flying into the interior gaps.

As part of that convo, I mentioned how a dynamic guy like Cam, who could pull the ball or rip an RPO off a LB’s ear, changed the entire dynamic of its effectiveness. Simply by keeping defenders who would otherwise be in conflict from flying down. Carson has done that like 3x this year? I also don’t see the quick ins Horton received last year from Cam.

So, we get a mosh pit. How do you tell within that? What are we supposed to do about that if Carson doesn’t magically start pulling or throwing and opponents continue to send guys downhill?

Watching Jahmyr Gibbs last night blast thru Duo (even with WR insert) and thinking if he played at miami with our tight splits would probably be on bench disgruntled until he transferred to SMU for cheap.. Also I dont think Carson is comfortable making post snap rpo reads because there have been multiple times he should pull and he doesnt. Many times Cam would pull and he doesnt, dont think he is baptized enough in it and pretty sure I heard dawson in interview say they run it less, I think that is why..

Anyway back to Gibbs, run, no tight splits, actual two double teams at point of attack, blasting DT off line of scrimmage and him doing the rest with speed and acceleration but probably would be deemed not tUfF n fiZiCal enough for PT here. Still remember his performance at Rock against us, was probably best that year in person and stated on here he should be priority but bama was the move at time.

 

[LuCane]

Watching Jahmyr Gibbs last night blast thru Duo (even with WR insert) and thinking if he played at miami with our tight splits would probably be on bench disgruntled until he transferred to SMU for cheap.. Also I dont think Carson is comfortable making post snap rpo reads because there have been multiple times he should pull and he doesnt. Many times Cam would pull and he doesnt, dont think he is baptized enough in it and pretty sure I heard dawson in interview say they run it less, I think that is why..

Anyway back to Gibbs, run, no tight splits, actual two double teams at point of attack, blasting DT off line of scrimmage and him doing the rest with speed and acceleration but probably would be deemed not tUfF n fiZiCal enough for PT here. Still remember his performance at Rock against us, was probably best that year in person and stated on here he should be priority but bama was the move at time.

Someone sent that in one of our chats, and I immediately linked a bunch of his other runs. I haven't watched Detroit as much this year, but Ben Johnson's approach fascinated me, so I watched them a ton last year. Look at all the variation in a short montage:

 

[Juancane]

We did not lose because the team was unfocused. We lost because the Louisville coaching staff had a better game plan than Miami’s coaching staff AND the Louisville players executed that game plan better than Miami’s players executed our game plan.

Said differently, we got out-coached, out-schemed and out-executed. Period. It happens. It happens too often with Mario in October/November. And, if it happens again this year (decent chance), we will not make the playoffs after starting 5-0. Something that was highly unlikely less than a week ago.

Yea i think both things can be true.

 

[Hurracanes]

Someone sent that in one of our chats, and immediately linked a bunch of his other runs. I haven't watched Detroit as much this year, but Ben Johnson's approach fascinated me, so I watched them a ton last year. Look at all the variation in a short montage:

Amazing what a good running scheme can do for an offense. There isn’t anything crazy about those plays but it keeps the defense honest and guessing. We would kill it if we were a little more creative.

 

[9oh4Cane]

If the coaching staff fails to adjust on offense, we will almost certainly lose another game or two in ACC play.

 

[hurricaneman]

If the coaching staff fails to adjust on offense, we will almost certainly lose another game or two in ACC play.

I just love it after a loss when coaches admit the other team did things they weren't expecting and then when asked, "well, since it's clear doing new things is effective, will you be trying new things against teams?" And then answer is always, "no, we just need to execute better".

"We just need to execute better" should be written on the tombstone of the fired coaches mass grave site.

 

[88]

Someone sent that in one of our chats, and I immediately linked a bunch of his other runs. I haven't watched Detroit as much this year, but Ben Johnson's approach fascinated me, so I watched them a ton last year. Look at all the variation in a short montage:

The spacing is probably the biggest thing that stands out.

We're running duo/IZ like most plays in that montage but the spacing is on another planet