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CashMoneyCane said:
Weird, how an organization that takes profits from members and redistributes them accordingly is viewed as "socialist."

The NCAA is a socialist organization. Duh.
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Not to mention all of these state land grant universities are funded by tax dollars
 
Salt said:
How about term limits for these idiots in congress that have nothing better to do than come up with countless new ways to micromanage everyone else's lives?
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Vote your own rep or senator out. Problem is everyone loves their senator or rep and sends them back over and over and nothing changes.
 
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These people go into office making whatever they make in private sector and become multimillionaires in a short time in office yet know one investigates that miracle.

That is an investigation I’d love to see
 
Canedude08 said:
She was right. I know that the typical Miami "Fan" has this irrational dislike of Dr. Shalala, becuase "Muh Football", but be honest with yourself. Miami has no business joining in the SEC. This fanbase doesn't put money in WHEN TIMES ARE GOOD. This fanbase barely shows up WHEN TIMES ARE GOOD. Miami would merely be Vanderbilt in the SEC. The only thing Miami would be doing by joining the SEC is giving the SEC schools an additional recruiting benefit, because they could then sell "You would get to come back to Miami and play in front of mom and dad" in addition to the other crap. Conference wise, Miami is exactly where it should be, the problem is that WE haven't done our part. People like Blake James are still employed because people on the BOT aren't doing their jobs. The University President, whether it is Tad Foote, Dr. Shalala or Dr. Frenk have little to do with athletics. It's on the people that hold the ultimate power at the University to force change if people aren't doing their jobs.
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She made absolutely disastrous hires with Randy and Golden, but neither were the school's first choice (the reason the first choices declined is another story and can be blamed on Shalala), but if we're being 100 % honest, Barry Alvarez would've been a better hire than Coker, and UM football probably never goes into a multi-decade rut if he's brought in.
 
jthomps123 said:
The point is big time programs don't need subsidies for their athletics. Show me where UF is dipping into state funding to pay for athletics.
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Show me ANY school that would use their OWN $$ for ANYTHING if they can use freely obtained outside $$
 
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Fightinibis said:
I would give a **** MUCH more had she not personally destroyed us for 14 years to make her point in practice for a later political move.
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I love this notion that Shalalala "destroyed us." Really feeling like none of you have any idea who Tad Foote was.
 
Shalala had little to do with coaching hires. That was the ADs. The only thing she did with coaches was trying to get Wannestedt and Alvarez as coach in 2001. But she got turned down by both.
 
RightSaidFred said:
UM does get a lot of money from the government.
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I dont have a problem with government grants. The government is sponsoring research. Miami has one of the best spinal cord research programs. If the government wants to give millions in research grants so UM can help develop treatments for wounded veterans, that's an appropriate use of tax dollars. What is not an appropriate use is the taxpayers paying millions in pensions and benefits to public university athletic department employees when they have football programs making 100s of millions of dollars. "Self-funded" programs are a misnomer. It only mean they cover their own operating costs, but that is only the tip of the iceberg. The state government (meaning the taxpayer) still pays their pensions and other benefits. To illustrate this another way- I'll give a personal example. My mom was a librarian for many years in the state of Oregon. In the early 2000s the state offered all state employees a GUARANTEED minimum 8% return on retirement accounts. Again- that's guaranteed for all state employees. Doesn't matter if the market crashes, the state can't afford road improvements, all state employees are guaranteed at least an 8% return. That means the taxpayers have to pay no matter what. While not every state is so generous, every state contributes some percentage (like contribution matching) to a state employee's retirement income, and that's not even going to the subsidized health care costs. When I was a mid-level federal employee the fed govt subsidized $700 per month of my health insurance, I paid the other $700. Alabama is rumored to have almost 100 staff members on the football program alone (they basically lie about the numbers to the taxpaying public and to get around NCAA rules- they report only 1 strength and conditioning coach when it is well known they actually have at least 5). That's a **** of a lot of taxpayer money for pensions, retirement, and healthcare. Again- even though they may be "self-funded", they aren't funding their own retirements and pensions. Every time "a self funded" public university adds a new staff member (i.e. another state employee), the salary might come from the operating budget, but the pensions and healthcare are always paid for by the taxpayer.

No public university in the United States- not even high revenue programs like Texas or Alabama- uses the profits to pay for the "fringe benefits" packages that every state employee gets. State taxpayers are on the hook no matter how profitable. Again- this goes back to the why head coach salaries at public universities can keep escalating unchecked to the point that we will have college coaches making $10 million or more. The athletic departments can allow all the donated money to go the head coach because the taxpayers are covering the costs for all the benefits of the athletic dept employees. At a private University like USC or Miami, the university is responsible for paying the pensions.

www.cbssports.com

As NCAA zeroes in on college football staff sizes, survey shows inconsistencies

There may well be legislation coming soon in an attempt to rein in off-field program assistants
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com

Going back to the size of staffs- Notre Dame officially has the largest number of staffers with about 45 on field staffers. I have zero problem with that. They are private, they have a huge tv contract, and they pay for all their own people. However, the next five on the list are all public schools. Again- Bama doesn't make the top 5 of number of staffers which every college football fan knows is a total joke. The taxpayers pay all of that.
 
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blushrts said:
Vote your own rep or senator out. Problem is everyone loves their senator or rep and sends them back over and over and nothing changes.
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Which is why term limits would help solve that. Professional politicians have a vested interest in staying employed and not necessarily making things better for our country.
 
Salt said:
Which is why term limits would help solve that. Professional politicians have a vested interest in staying employed and not necessarily making things better for our country.
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Problem is look at the crop that replaces them. Very few go into politics to help people, it's to line their pockets or implement their ideology. There is no benefit to solving the education cost/student loan issue as long as you can campaign on loan forgiveness and free education. Neither of those will ever happen, but the promise can live on for generations.

Student loans are easy money to get with a live now, pay later mindset. As long as there's easy money, colleges can continue to charge more. Back in the 90's Congress changed the law so student loans aren't dischargeable through bankruptcy, ensuring an ever growing population of debtors to promise loan forgiveness to.
 
TimeB0mb said:
I dont have a problem with government grants. The government is sponsoring research. Miami has one of the best spinal cord research programs. If the government wants to give millions in research grants so UM can help develop treatments for wounded veterans, that's an appropriate use of tax dollars. What is not an appropriate use is the taxpayers paying millions in pensions and benefits to public university athletic department employees when they have football programs making 100s of millions of dollars. "Self-funded" programs are a misnomer. It only mean they cover their own operating costs, but that is only the tip of the iceberg. The state government (meaning the taxpayer) still pays their pensions and other benefits. To illustrate this another way- I'll give a personal example. My mom was a librarian for many years in the state of Oregon. In the early 2000s the state offered all state employees a GUARANTEED minimum 8% return on retirement accounts. Again- that's guaranteed for all state employees. Doesn't matter if the market crashes, the state can't afford road improvements, all state employees are guaranteed at least an 8% return. That means the taxpayers have to pay no matter what. While not every state is so generous, every state contributes some percentage (like contribution matching) to a state employee's retirement income, and that's not even going to the subsidized health care costs. When I was a mid-level federal employee the fed govt subsidized $700 per month of my health insurance, I paid the other $700. Alabama is rumored to have almost 100 staff members on the football program alone (they basically lie about the numbers to the taxpaying public and to get around NCAA rules- they report only 1 strength and conditioning coach when it is well known they actually have at least 5). That's a **** of a lot of taxpayer money for pensions, retirement, and healthcare. Again- even though they may be "self-funded", they aren't funding their own retirements and pensions. Every time "a self funded" public university adds a new staff member (i.e. another state employee), the salary might come from the operating budget, but the pensions and healthcare are always paid for by the taxpayer.

No public university in the United States- not even high revenue programs like Texas or Alabama- uses the profits to pay for the "fringe benefits" packages that every state employee gets. State taxpayers are on the hook no matter how profitable. Again- this goes back to the why head coach salaries at public universities can keep escalating unchecked to the point that we will have college coaches making $10 million or more. The athletic departments can allow all the donated money to go the head coach because the taxpayers are covering the costs for all the benefits of the athletic dept employees. At a private University like USC or Miami, the university is responsible for paying the pensions.

www.cbssports.com

As NCAA zeroes in on college football staff sizes, survey shows inconsistencies

There may well be legislation coming soon in an attempt to rein in off-field program assistants
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com

Going back to the size of staffs- Notre Dame officially has the largest number of staffers with about 45 on field staffers. I have zero problem with that. They are private, they have a huge tv contract, and they pay for all their own people. However, the next five on the list are all public schools. Again- Bama doesn't make the top 5 of number of staffers which every college football fan knows is a total joke. The taxpayers pay all of that.
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This is ridiculousness, dozens of AD staff members aren't costing taxpayers 'millions' in benefits or pensions per year?!? And 'self-funded' programs are NOT a misnomer, they are a net boom to their university - allowing increases in tuition costs, revenue, quality of applicants, fundraising etc. The only FBS schools dipping into the general funds are likely awful schools athletically. I'd be curious if ANY P5 athletics get subsidized from the general fund. In fact the top-tiered departments actually give $$ back to academics.

I dont see an answer to this problem. Taxpayers are funding sh*tty schools' departments, not the big ones.
 
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CashMoneyCane said:
I love this notion that Shalalala "destroyed us." Really feeling like none of you have any idea who Tad Foote was.
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In what role did Tad Foote serve from 2003-2019?

How many National Titles did we win under his reign? I guess none....must of been under someone else from '81-2001

When did he limit coaching salaries during his tenure?
 
JD08 said:
Problem is look at the crop that replaces them. Very few go into politics to help people, it's to line their pockets or implement their ideology. There is no benefit to solving the education cost/student loan issue as long as you can campaign on loan forgiveness and free education. Neither of those will ever happen, but the promise can live on for generations.

Student loans are easy money to get with a live now, pay later mindset. As long as there's easy money, colleges can continue to charge more. Back in the 90's Congress changed the law so student loans aren't dischargeable through bankruptcy, ensuring an ever growing population of debtors to promise loan forgiveness to.
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I agree with this. It makes sense for a professional politician to create a perpetual block of voters that will keep you in power by the promise of entitlements. Similar to the rationale of encouraging illegal immigration by promising free health care, education, and voting rights. I think term limits would help offset this dynamic since a person running for office can be more transparent and run on their principles knowing their financial livelihood is not tied to being elected and may also be less likely to be bought by powerful lobbies.
 
Been talking about this for a LOOONG time (2016):

https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/alabamas-dominance-in-context-death-of-cfb.104100/

Bottom Line: Without some kind of limits or cap, CFB is doomed to a few competitive teams, like MLB

The newest wrinkle? Some schools, especially in the West, are realizing that athletics, even if they have had success previously, isnt the key to long term school prestige and advancement:

https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/julio-frenk-interview.157688/page-5#post-4504366
 
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