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stat1124

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and I surely hope this doesn't get derailed with buffoonery.... but can someone explain to me the effectiveness of delayed blitzing as the primary blitz package and if any team in NCAA or NFL for that matter, that does its successfully from a 3-4. We send the majority of our blitzes of our LBs from there 5 to 7 yard initial position. Seldom to do see our LBs come up to the line and get a good jump on the ball. This isn't a bash UM defense thread, there are plenty of them out here. I'm more interested in the philosophy behind it because I have seen other teams use it to and some no more effective than us. I understand the idea of giving the defense another wrinkle, but I do not get using it as the primary blitz package.

Our delayed blitz gets there so late 9 out of 10 times. It only seems to work when a DE or DT can flush the QB into stepping up into the blitz. I saw Perryman blitz from 7 yards off the ball like 4 times. One of them turning into the fumble but that was a by-product of Chick and a DT (cant remember who) collapsing the pocket flushing their QB to leak out to the right. Even if we are going to drop the LBs back, Why not disguise coverages more and have them all crowd the line of scrimmage and then adjust pre or post snap. If anything, to not give the QB any idea what we are going to do. I have seen this for nearly three years and I don't get it. When we stack the line and send blitz we have far better disruptions but we do it rarely compared to the delayed blitzes. I can't help but think this works somewhere which is why we imployed it here it our Canes. Thoughts?
 
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These guys coach like they're paranoid from smoking marijuana.
 
Again, not talking about clueless defensive coordinator (we know that already), but the whole idea of delayed blitzing as a primary blitz package. Is it really that effective?
 
stat1124 said:
Again, not talking about clueless defensive coordinator (we know that already), but the whole idea of delayed blitzing as a primary blitz package. Is it really that effective?
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no. I think the defensive coaches think they are disguising blitzes this way and it ends up looking like a delayed blitz. Like "hey stand here, count outloud to 3 mississippi so they don't think you are blitzing, and then blitz".

I don't think they understand what disguising blitzes really means or how to do it.
 
stat1124 said:
Again, not talking about clueless defensive coordinator (we know that already), but the whole idea of delayed blitzing as a primary blitz package. Is it really that effective?
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Is this really a question? It falls in line with everything else about this defense. No aggressiveness. We see it time after time with Denzel blitzing 3 seconds after the ball is snapped. He never reaches the QB in time. Literally nothing this defense does makes any sense, so why would this?
 
Try to keep up Rok. Our defense isnt the only defense that blitzes a LB at the snap of the ball from their initial position. I saw it in the clemson v Ga game and the west Virginia game albeit, it was use far less than we do it. I'm sure there are many more cases out there, which again is the point of this thread and not just about our defense. If you don't have any input about the philosophy that cool, feel free to move on.
 
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LOL.....my man, you and I are fully on the same page. I think its completely ineffective the majority of the time, yet I still see teams using that tactic so obviously there is logic to it but maybe this isnt the right forum to seek said answer.
rokulika said:
Delayed blitzing stinks and I don't like it
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The only advantage imo (from a player perspective) is a delayed blitz can give u a clear lane to get pressure,ideally.

However, in an odd(34) front U have to send 3 to outnumber the OL and that's only if a TE or RB isn't blocking too.

From an even from there is a better chance of success with a delayed blitz for a couple reasons.

Off the edge the DE is usually one on one with a tackle OR is on the edge so the interior lineman would have a larger distance to cover or may not see it at all.

On the interior with 2 DTs one DT is double teamed (G & C) the other is on 3 technique (1 on 1with the other G) so hopefully the delay allows the OL to be occupied and the middle is the most direct way to the QB.
That's in a 4-3

In a 3-4 (ours) we rush 3 a lot. So there is always a free OL. And that's even if 2 DL get double teamed. The beauty of 34 is it is symmetrical down there's middle and in theory, disguises pressure by not knowing who the 4th or 5th rushers are.
But we don't pressure with too many extra rushers (conservative).

If the staff doesn't want our D line to penetrate fine. But send at least two on most plays and you would see how different our D looked. Instead they may or may not send 1 AND it's delayed. So the DL not penetrating , the blitz is slow,AND we play a soft zone. The OL never is outnumbered. So they put hat on hat AND hot throws KILL SOFT ZONE.

1 thing they should do more is even if you want 7 in coverage most plays they should OVERLOAD. Bring LBs closer and overload a side of the OL. Collapse a side. Basic common sense. They did it a couple times Monday and it worked when they overload a side
 
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delayed blitzing is extremely ineffective against most modern day spread teams. why our coaches haven't gotten the memo beats the s*** outta me.
 
A delayed blitz is more conservative. There may be rules associated with their coverage such as "immediate threats to your zone, cover; no immediate threat, attack A gap".......or as a protection against draws. It seems brilliant on paper; in practice it just doesn't work.

Also, some of these "delayed blitzes" are the result of having your rush ends aligned over detached (slot) receivers. It's part of this idiot staffs "disguise". But it doesn't fool anyone, and results in an increased amount of time for the QB to sit in the pocket. It's a joke.
 
When you guys refer to delayed blitzes are you talking about waiting a couple counts before blitzing or blitzing from a base alignment?

I almost always blitz from a base alignment. (i.e. Inside Linebackers heels at 4.5 yards, Outside Linebackers 2x2 yards from the end man on the line of scrimmage) This makes it more difficult for the O-line to tell if we're blitzing and/or who's coming. When you walk up to the line-of-scrimmage you kinda tip your hat. Now, if you wanna walk up to the LOS and then drop your Linebackers back into coverage and force a pick via the QB's "hot read" then that's one thing, but if you're blitzing from the LOS every time you're bound to get burnt on an inside route from a slot or TE.

The benefit of delayed blitzes or blitzing from a base alignment is that you allow the D-linemen and O-linemen to get engaged, which should allow the LB's to run free if your blitz design is set-up that way.

The blitz that Miami forced two fumbles with is called "Pirate". The Defensive End slants all the way inside to the A-gap, pulling the Offensive Guard with him. The Rush (OLB) comes off the edge via the C-gap, occupying the Offensive Tackle. This leaves a wide-open B-gap for the Inside Linebacker to run through. I've been running this blitz for 5 years and I swear the success rate is somewhere around 90%. It's a **** blitz and you only have to send 5 guys to get there, leaving 6 players for coverage.

I rarely run this blitz from an Odd front, with the DE head-up on the Tackle. I find that it takes too long for the DE to get across the Guard and into the A-gap. I'll run it from an Under front with the DE in a 3-technique, making it easier for him to slant through the A-gap. This allows the blitz to "hit" quicker. Maybe that's why it takes our defense a while to get there, we run it from an Odd front.
 
The blitz that Miami forced two fumbles with is called "Pirate".
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Coach Macho said:
When you guys refer to delayed blitzes are you talking about waiting a couple counts before blitzing or blitzing from a base alignment?

I almost always blitz from a base alignment. (i.e. Inside Linebackers heels at 4.5 yards, Outside Linebackers 2x2 yards from the end man on the line of scrimmage) This makes it more difficult for the O-line to tell if we're blitzing and/or who's coming. When you walk up to the line-of-scrimmage you kinda tip your hat. Now, if you wanna walk up to the LOS and then drop your Linebackers back into coverage and force a pick via the QB's "hot read" then that's one thing, but if you're blitzing from the LOS every time you're bound to get burnt on an inside route from a slot or TE.

The benefit of delayed blitzes or blitzing from a base alignment is that you allow the D-linemen and O-linemen to get engaged, which should allow the LB's to run free if your blitz design is set-up that way.

The blitz that Miami forced two fumbles with is called "Pirate". The Defensive End slants all the way inside to the A-gap, pulling the Offensive Guard with him. The Rush (OLB) comes off the edge via the C-gap, occupying the Offensive Tackle. This leaves a wide-open B-gap for the Inside Linebacker to run through. I've been running this blitz for 5 years and I swear the success rate is somewhere around 90%. It's a **** blitz and you only have to send 5 guys to get there, leaving 6 players for coverage.

I rarely run this blitz from an Odd front, with the DE head-up on the Tackle. I find that it takes too long for the DE to get across the Guard and into the A-gap. I'll run it from an Under front with the DE in a 3-technique, making it easier for him to slant through the A-gap. This allows the blitz to "hit" quicker. Maybe that's why it takes our defense a while to get there, we run it from an Odd front.
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Spot on! We run our "Pirate" stunt from a 4-3 but our ends are really like linebackers so they get to that A gap pretty fast. We run our blitzes from base alignment sometimes, some times we have that outside backer split the end man on line and slot guy like he's covering him then blitz. Sometimes we show like we're blitzing then drop to coverage to throw teams off. Sometimes we show the blitz and come. Anything we can do to throw off the timing of the offense. Keep them guessing. We run some 3-4 stack stuff but we don't run the same blitzes from those fronts. The dna of the 3-4 doesn't allow it.
 
The delayed blitz used along with an interior twist allows the DL to take the OL and move them out of the way opening up lanes for the blitz. In addition it also requires the OL to have to pick up the blitz mid play as opposed to communicating before the snap to get all lineman blocking assignments worked out. If you have a LB walk up to the line of scrimmage for a blitz anticipating the snap, it gives the OL a chance to communicate who blocks who.
 
Coach Macho said:
When you guys refer to delayed blitzes are you talking about waiting a couple counts before blitzing or blitzing from a base alignment?

I almost always blitz from a base alignment. (i.e. Inside Linebackers heels at 4.5 yards, Outside Linebackers 2x2 yards from the end man on the line of scrimmage) This makes it more difficult for the O-line to tell if we're blitzing and/or who's coming. When you walk up to the line-of-scrimmage you kinda tip your hat. Now, if you wanna walk up to the LOS and then drop your Linebackers back into coverage and force a pick via the QB's "hot read" then that's one thing, but if you're blitzing from the LOS every time you're bound to get burnt on an inside route from a slot or TE.

The benefit of delayed blitzes or blitzing from a base alignment is that you allow the D-linemen and O-linemen to get engaged, which should allow the LB's to run free if your blitz design is set-up that way.

The blitz that Miami forced two fumbles with is called "Pirate". The Defensive End slants all the way inside to the A-gap, pulling the Offensive Guard with him. The Rush (OLB) comes off the edge via the C-gap, occupying the Offensive Tackle. This leaves a wide-open B-gap for the Inside Linebacker to run through. I've been running this blitz for 5 years and I swear the success rate is somewhere around 90%. It's a **** blitz and you only have to send 5 guys to get there, leaving 6 players for coverage.

I rarely run this blitz from an Odd front, with the DE head-up on the Tackle. I find that it takes too long for the DE to get across the Guard and into the A-gap. I'll run it from an Under front with the DE in a 3-technique, making it easier for him to slant through the A-gap. This allows the blitz to "hit" quicker. Maybe that's why it takes our defense a while to get there, we run it from an Odd front.
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Please send Dorito an invitation to your next clinic. Or maybe even one of your Friday night games give him a sideline invite.
 
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