Serious question about Richt

[OriginalGatorHater]

Let's dig deeper, shall we? Here's Georgia's 2017 schedule and their opponents' record.

App State - 9-4 record. Good win I guess.
ND - 10-3. One point victory in South Bend against a team we boat raced.
Samford - FCS. Yawn.
Mississippi State - 9-4. OK win.
Tennessee - 4-8. Yawn.
Vanderbilt - 5-7. Another SEC East cupcake.
Florida - 4-7. Terrible Gator team.
South Carolina - 9-4, but that record reflects how poor the SEC East competition was. Gamecocks best win came against 9-4 NC State, and includes wins against Florida, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Missouri, LA Tech and Arkansas (all of whom finished at or below .500).
Auburn - drubbed by three scores.
Kentucky - 7-6.
Georgia Tech - 5-6.
Auburn - SECCG. Best win of their season, but avoided Bama.
OU - defense (apparently Smart's bread and butter) torched. Needed a miracle FG block to win.
Bama - L.

To me, that's not an impressive schedule. Smart doesn't all of a sudden become a genius because he got to beat up on a crap SEC East schedule and a few other cupcakes. ND, Auburn and OU are all good wins, but I'm not ready to crown UGA as some world beater until he repeats the performance 1.) with a more competitive SEC East schedule and 2.) after the loss of Richt's 31 seniors.

Take a look at Miamis schedule. No world beaters on that either.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

You can say Kirby is a bad coach, or he was successful because of all his Seniors, or that he's cheating in recruiting. None of it matters.

Everyone in the SEC is cheating, Kirby is just doing it better. Kirby doesn't have to be a good coach with the amount of talent he's loading up with. Saban can't coach forever and it's a matter of time before the torch gets passed to Georgia. It almost happened this year. Georgia is going to be a consistent NC contender. I don't like it, but that's just the reality of the situation.

As for Richt - I was hoping those Top 5-10 Georgia recruiting classes would turn into Top 1-5 recruiting classes at Miami just based on Miami having better local talent. But I'm not seeing that so far, and at 58 and being a head coach for 17 years, I don't see a "fire" being lit under Richt or him making any major changes/adjustments.

Miami is in a much better place with Richt. We'll have some really good recruiting classes, like we do this year. But it's just not enough to win a NC. We'll be consistently good, always in the hunt for the ACC title, but I don't see us getting a NC under Richt. I expect the results to be similar to what he did at Georgia.

Dabo Swinney's first four classes:

2009: ranked #37
2010: ranked #19
2011: ranked #8
2012: ranked #14
2013: ranked #14
2015: ranked #4

So it took Clemson under Swinney three years to sign his first top 10 class (which Richt will do today) and 6 years to sign a top 5 class. You think Tiger fans are happy they were patient?

It's too early to say we can't recruit at an NC-level with Richt when the improvement from year one to year two is stark. Sometimes, you lose battles; just the way crootin' goes.

Ya and Clemson does not have fertile recruiting grounds and they where just as bad as Miami under Golden when he got there. If dabo was at Miami he would already have been in the CFP.

 

[Canes82]

If Georgia is cheating and it’s blatantly obvious....turn them in.

This “They’re cheating” nonsense is loser crap.

Georgia managed to pull top 10 classes under Richt....but they weren’t cheating then. Now that they have Smart, its bag city in Athens.

Maybe some folks can just recruit better. The Surtains have millions and they chose Bama.....bag city for them too?

 

[edge]

Georgia has 50 recruiting assistants dedicated to Football. Not a fair fight at all. Go find the ESPN article on Georgia recruiting and educate yourself. Then you will see Miami does not and probably will not have the resources to compete with this type of juggernaut.

 

[WaterburyCane]

Some of you should realize that you can count on one hand how many colleges would trade signing classes with us. This program had been mediocre for over 10 years and had not invested in the program or community. That type of damage to go along with todays recruiting tactic$ is a tough mountain to climb in 2 years. Relationships with local high schools are in much better shape, facilities on par, winning now on the field...all now checked. With 2 more recruiting classes like today in 19 and 20, we should be in the National Championship game before Storm 18 graduates

 

[Consigliere]

You think Tiger fans are happy they were patient?

My post has nothing to do with Richt but just explaining why Dabo and Clemson aren't relevant.

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You realize that Clemson wasn't that good of a program under Bowden? It was pretty bad under his predecessor (West) too.

You realized that in Dabo's first FULL season he matched the best season under Bowden and he did something Bowden never did...win the division?

You realized that in Dabo's third season they won the conference and made a BCS game, both things Bowden never did.

Perhaps Clemson fans were patient because Dabo was having success that the prior coaches couldn't touch. Perhaps Clemson fans were patient because they hadn't had a relevant season since 1991 (almost 20 years before Dabo).

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

Georgia has 50 recruiting assistants dedicated to Football. Not a fair fight at all. Go find the ESPN article on Georgia recruiting and educate yourself. Then you will see Miami does not and probably will not have the resources to compete with this type of juggernaut.

It took Richt 15 years and he couldn't figure out that tactic. Kirby hired 50 assistants in 2 years. Think about that.

 

[DTP]

You can say Kirby is a bad coach, or he was successful because of all his Seniors, or that he's cheating in recruiting. None of it matters.

Everyone in the SEC is cheating, Kirby is just doing it better. Kirby doesn't have to be a good coach with the amount of talent he's loading up with. Saban can't coach forever and it's a matter of time before the torch gets passed to Georgia. It almost happened this year. Georgia is going to be a consistent NC contender. I don't like it, but that's just the reality of the situation.

As for Richt - I was hoping those Top 5-10 Georgia recruiting classes would turn into Top 1-5 recruiting classes at Miami just based on Miami having better local talent. But I'm not seeing that so far, and at 58 and being a head coach for 17 years, I don't see a "fire" being lit under Richt or him making any major changes/adjustments.

Miami is in a much better place with Richt. We'll have some really good recruiting classes, like we do this year. But it's just not enough to win a NC. We'll be consistently good, always in the hunt for the ACC title, but I don't see us getting a NC under Richt. I expect the results to be similar to what he did at Georgia.

Dabo Swinney's first four classes:

2009: ranked #37
2010: ranked #19
2011: ranked #8
2012: ranked #14
2013: ranked #14
2015: ranked #4

So it took Clemson under Swinney three years to sign his first top 10 class (which Richt will do today) and 6 years to sign a top 5 class. You think Tiger fans are happy they were patient?

It's too early to say we can't recruit at an NC-level with Richt when the improvement from year one to year two is stark. Sometimes, you lose battles; just the way crootin' goes.

Ya and Clemson does not have fertile recruiting grounds and they where just as bad as Miami under Golden when he got there. If dabo was at Miami he would already have been in the CFP.

So you're saying Dabo would have had Miami in the CFP last year? That the only difference between the Miami and Clemson teams is the coach? Gotcha.

 

[DTP]

You think Tiger fans are happy they were patient?

My post has nothing to do with Richt but just explaining why Dabo and Clemson aren't relevant.

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You realize that Clemson wasn't that good of a program under Bowden? It was pretty bad under his predecessor (West) too.

Miami wasn't a good program under Golden or Shannon

You realized that in Dabo's first FULL season he matched the best season under Bowden and he did something Bowden never did...win the division?
In Richt's first season he matched the best record under Golden or Shannon (it did take him a second season to win the division, so I'll give you that)
You realized that in Dabo's third season they won the conference and made a BCS game, both things Bowden never did.

Haven't gotten to season three yet.

Perhaps Clemson fans were patient because Dabo was having success that the prior coaches couldn't touch. Perhaps Clemson fans were patient because they hadn't had a relevant season since 1991 (almost 20 years before Dabo).

Richt is currently having success that prior coaches couldn't touch. And while Miami didn't have to wait 20 years to regain relevancy, 2003 was a long time ago.

 

[Consigliere]

You think Tiger fans are happy they were patient?

My post has nothing to do with Richt but just explaining why Dabo and Clemson aren't relevant.

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You realize that Clemson wasn't that good of a program under Bowden? It was pretty bad under his predecessor (West) too.

Miami wasn't a good program under Golden or Shannon

You realized that in Dabo's first FULL season he matched the best season under Bowden and he did something Bowden never did...win the division?
In Richt's first season he matched the best record under Golden or Shannon (it did take him a second season to win the division, so I'll give you that)
You realized that in Dabo's third season they won the conference and made a BCS game, both things Bowden never did.

Haven't gotten to season three yet.

Perhaps Clemson fans were patient because Dabo was having success that the prior coaches couldn't touch. Perhaps Clemson fans were patient because they hadn't had a relevant season since 1991 (almost 20 years before Dabo).

Richt is currently having success that prior coaches couldn't touch. And while Miami didn't have to wait 20 years to regain relevancy, 2003 was a long time ago.

A has nothing to do with B. My post was about Clemson and Dabo. Maybe it wasn't clear when I said it in the first sentence above.

Did you read the first sentence?

 

[edge]

Georgia has 50 recruiting assistants dedicated to Football. Not a fair fight at all. Go find the ESPN article on Georgia recruiting and educate yourself. Then you will see Miami does not and probably will not have the resources to compete with this type of juggernaut.

It took Richt 15 years and he couldn't figure out that tactic. Kirby hired 50 assistants in 2 years. Think about that.

Smart learned that tactic from Saban. He is no genius. You can guarantee when he interviewed he pitched that idea and Georgia found a way to pay that bill.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

You can say Kirby is a bad coach, or he was successful because of all his Seniors, or that he's cheating in recruiting. None of it matters.

Everyone in the SEC is cheating, Kirby is just doing it better. Kirby doesn't have to be a good coach with the amount of talent he's loading up with. Saban can't coach forever and it's a matter of time before the torch gets passed to Georgia. It almost happened this year. Georgia is going to be a consistent NC contender. I don't like it, but that's just the reality of the situation.

As for Richt - I was hoping those Top 5-10 Georgia recruiting classes would turn into Top 1-5 recruiting classes at Miami just based on Miami having better local talent. But I'm not seeing that so far, and at 58 and being a head coach for 17 years, I don't see a "fire" being lit under Richt or him making any major changes/adjustments.

Miami is in a much better place with Richt. We'll have some really good recruiting classes, like we do this year. But it's just not enough to win a NC. We'll be consistently good, always in the hunt for the ACC title, but I don't see us getting a NC under Richt. I expect the results to be similar to what he did at Georgia.

Dabo Swinney's first four classes:

2009: ranked #37
2010: ranked #19
2011: ranked #8
2012: ranked #14
2013: ranked #14
2015: ranked #4

So it took Clemson under Swinney three years to sign his first top 10 class (which Richt will do today) and 6 years to sign a top 5 class. You think Tiger fans are happy they were patient?

It's too early to say we can't recruit at an NC-level with Richt when the improvement from year one to year two is stark. Sometimes, you lose battles; just the way crootin' goes.

Ya and Clemson does not have fertile recruiting grounds and they where just as bad as Miami under Golden when he got there. If dabo was at Miami he would already have been in the CFP.

So you're saying Dabo would have had Miami in the CFP last year? That the only difference between the Miami and Clemson teams is the coach? Gotcha.

If dabo went to Miami Clemson wouldn't be a powerhouse so yes Miami would be in the CFP already.

 

[ShadowSpring]

Go root for Georgia please

 

[Astcloud11]

dude if you can't see uga is cheating their corrupt asses off, idk what to tell you

you realize they just stole, and I do mean literally STOLE, michigans top recruit right?

They also stole Nadab and a LB from Bama

 

[Dwinstitles]

dude if you can't see uga is cheating their corrupt asses off, idk what to tell you

you realize they just stole, and I do mean literally STOLE, michigans top recruit right?

Kirby knows the bag game and UGA pushed MR out cause they wanted to win at a bama level.

 

[Gatorhater]

I doubt Mark changes much. Our hope has always been that being at Miami will make up for his shortcomings. Miami has never had a Saban nor needed one. Mark just needs to be good enough.

 

[Lokest]

they just stole the number 38 recruit in the nation from bama

they're FAR worse than ole miss ever dreamed of being

bamas recruiting procedure is an open secret to everyone and there are still people asking whats in georgias secret sauce to compete with them? Lmao

 

[337CaneNation]

SOME CANE FANS FIND ANY AND EVERYTHING TO B!TH+ ABOUT!! This Storm18' class is awesome, regardless of all the RECRUITS that decided to go elsewhere.. Top 10 overall class for 2018'

 

[CobaltBlueCane]

This is what happens when you fire a coach for not being able to take the program to the next level and hire a coach who just got fired for not being able to take his program to the next level.