Serious question about Richt

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

I hope Richt doesnt think like you guys. He needs to get his head out of his *** and start cheating too then if thats the only way to win games.

You need to understand how the game is played and clearly you don’t if you think it’s up to Rick to “start cheating”

I was being sarcastic with all these delusional people thinking the only difference between Richt and Kirby is that Kirby cheats. There is a reason they only start "cheating" once Richt was gone. Use your head.

You think they weren’t cheating before? LOL

Thats my point. Kirby is clearly the way better coach yet people are just saying the only reason he is doing everything Richt wasn't able to do is because now they started cheating. Kirby > Richt do you disagree?

I was talking about cheating. That’s another topic. Get back to me in a couple of years. Kurbs could have been in a flash in the pan last year - an Auburn mirage - we shall see. If he goes 2 or 3 years with 3/4 losses per year, those boosters are gonna want a better return on their bags.

 

[Ibis4life]

dude if you can't see uga is cheating their corrupt asses off, idk what to tell you

you realize they just stole, and I do mean literally STOLE, michigans top recruit right?

They got five flips today, three of them five stars. Come on, UGA is a nice campus but they aren't that nice. Nobody pulls that off without a little help from their friends.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

You need to understand how the game is played and clearly you don’t if you think it’s up to Rick to “start cheating”

I was being sarcastic with all these delusional people thinking the only difference between Richt and Kirby is that Kirby cheats. There is a reason they only start "cheating" once Richt was gone. Use your head.

You think they weren’t cheating before? LOL

Thats my point. Kirby is clearly the way better coach yet people are just saying the only reason he is doing everything Richt wasn't able to do is because now they started cheating. Kirby > Richt do you disagree?

I was talking about cheating. That’s another topic. Get back to me in a couple of years. Kurbs could have been in a flash in the pan last year - an Auburn mirage - we shall see. If he goes 2 or 3 years with 3/4 losses per year, those boosters are gonna want a better return on their bags.

The point was Richt and Kirby both cheated. Both had boosters. Yet Kirby is doing what Richt was never able to do. I hope kirby is a flash in the pan because I can't stand the guy. The point of this thread is not to compliment Kirby. I know that if I was Richt and I saw what kirby is doing with the same team I used to coach I would seriously question the way I was running my operation.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

The point was Richt and Kirby both cheated. Both had boosters. Yet Kirby is doing what Richt was never able to do. I hope kirby is a flash in the pan because I can't stand the guy. The point of this thread is not to compliment Kirby. I know that if I was Richt and I saw what kirby is doing with the same team I used to coach I would seriously question the way I was running my operation.

Georgia skated through the worst SEC East in 25 years, got blown out by Auburn, and avoided Alabama in the SEC title game. Then, as expected, they lost to Alabama when they finally played them. And they did it with 30+ seniors. So let's hold off before crowning Kirby Hoke as the model that everyone should be following.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

The point was Richt and Kirby both cheated. Both had boosters. Yet Kirby is doing what Richt was never able to do. I hope kirby is a flash in the pan because I can't stand the guy. The point of this thread is not to compliment Kirby. I know that if I was Richt and I saw what kirby is doing with the same team I used to coach I would seriously question the way I was running my operation.

Georgia skated through the worst SEC East in 25 years, got blown out by Auburn, and avoided Alabama in the SEC title game. Then, as expected, they lost to Alabama when they finally played them. And they did it with 30+ seniors. So let's hold off before crowning Kirby Hoke as the model that everyone should be following.

Im not crowing him. Just stating some facts. Richt needs to reevaluate his ways if he wants to bring the U back.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

The point was Richt and Kirby both cheated. Both had boosters. Yet Kirby is doing what Richt was never able to do. I hope kirby is a flash in the pan because I can't stand the guy. The point of this thread is not to compliment Kirby. I know that if I was Richt and I saw what kirby is doing with the same team I used to coach I would seriously question the way I was running my operation.

Georgia skated through the worst SEC East in 25 years, got blown out by Auburn, and avoided Alabama in the SEC title game. Then, as expected, they lost to Alabama when they finally played them. And they did it with 30+ seniors. So let's hold off before crowning Kirby Hoke as the model that everyone should be following.

Im not crowing him. Just stating some facts. Richt needs to reevaluate his ways if he wants to bring the U back.

Then why do you keep bringing up Georgia? And which part of Richt's ways need to be evaluated? And how did you come to your conclusions on February 7th, 2018? Why today?

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

The point was Richt and Kirby both cheated. Both had boosters. Yet Kirby is doing what Richt was never able to do. I hope kirby is a flash in the pan because I can't stand the guy. The point of this thread is not to compliment Kirby. I know that if I was Richt and I saw what kirby is doing with the same team I used to coach I would seriously question the way I was running my operation.

Georgia skated through the worst SEC East in 25 years, got blown out by Auburn, and avoided Alabama in the SEC title game. Then, as expected, they lost to Alabama when they finally played them. And they did it with 30+ seniors. So let's hold off before crowning Kirby Hoke as the model that everyone should be following.

Im not crowing him. Just stating some facts. Richt needs to reevaluate his ways if he wants to bring the U back.

Then why do you keep bringing up Georgia? And which part of Richt's ways need to be evaluated? And how did you come to your conclusions on February 7th, 2018? Why today?

Because they both coached at the same school so its an easy comparison. I am not the coach, but clearly he is not doing it correctly considering kirby turned around his **** show in 2 years. I came to this conclusion a while ago,but today solidified it with GA landing 7 5 stars and Miami can't even land the ones in their backyard.

 

[Ammok]

I am not the coach, but clearly he is not doing it correctly considering kirby turned around his **** show in 2 years.

Beyond stupid. Richt left the cupboard full, Kirby inherited a team missing a few pieces.
Richt inherited Carmax Al's debacle with a heavily depleted roster, full of guys with zero loyalty to Richt.
AL & GA just played for the title with future superstar QBs and stacked teams, has lots of big $ "donors", SOTA facilities, then landed top 3 classes.
We had a miracle season with a baseball player masquerading as a QB, tanked at the end with 3 losses, building the indoor facility...yet still landed the number freaking 4 class. There is no comparison whatsoever.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Because they both coached at the same school so its an easy comparison. I am not the coach, but clearly he is not doing it correctly considering kirby turned around his **** show in 2 years. I came to this conclusion a while ago,but today solidified it with GA landing 7 5 stars and Miami can't even land the ones in their backyard.

Did they coach against the exact same opponents with the exact same players? Did Richt have 31 seniors? You're looking at one Kirby Smart year in which everything lined up perfectly, and they still lost two games.

 

[Katzenboyer]

The point was Richt and Kirby both cheated. Both had boosters. Yet Kirby is doing what Richt was never able to do. I hope kirby is a flash in the pan because I can't stand the guy. The point of this thread is not to compliment Kirby. I know that if I was Richt and I saw what kirby is doing with the same team I used to coach I would seriously question the way I was running my operation.

Georgia skated through the worst SEC East in 25 years, got blown out by Auburn, and avoided Alabama in the SEC title game. Then, as expected, they lost to Alabama when they finally played them. And they did it with 30+ seniors. So let's hold off before crowning Kirby Hoke as the model that everyone should be following.

Im not crowing him. Just stating some facts. Richt needs to reevaluate his ways if he wants to bring the U back.

Then why do you keep bringing up Georgia? And which part of Richt's ways need to be evaluated? And how did you come to your conclusions on February 7th, 2018? Why today?

Because they both coached at the same school so its an easy comparison. I am not the coach, but clearly he is not doing it correctly considering kirby turned around his **** show in 2 years. I came to this conclusion a while ago,but today solidified it with GA landing 7 5 stars and Miami can't even land the ones in their backyard.

Turned around what **** show?

In Richt's last year with the Bulldogs, Georgia went 9-3 with losses to Bama (national champion) and Tennessee and Florida programs that finished in the Top 25. The year after Richt came to Coral Gables, Kirby Smart went 7-5.

But because he went to the college football playoff this year (despite being boat raced by Auburn, avoiding Bama in the SECCG, and having the good fortune of playing in an SEC East where the next best team was 9-4 and Florida and Tennessee were dumpter fires) and did so relying on 31 seniors that Richt recruited, all of a sudden it's a **** show inherited by Smart?

Kirby did wonderful on the recruiting trail this year and I know people are disappointed about missing out on the AH CBs. But good lord some people are making dumb comments on this board today.

 

[Katzenboyer]

As another (possibly more telling) example, in 2012 Notre Dame went to the national championship and were thoroughly demolished by Bama. The successful season resulted in them signing the #3 class, including five stars Jaylon Smith, Eddie Vanderdoes, Greg Bryant and Max Redfield.

Since that class was signed, ND went 8-5, 8-5, 10-3, 4-8, and 10-3. Great seasons (like Georgia's this past year) led by senior-laden teams (that Richt recruited to Athens) followed by excellent recruiting classes (see UGA again) do not necessarily result in continued dominance (just ask Irish fans). The handwringing over this is pretty ridiculous.

I'd get it if our class was rated in the 20s. But it's a top 10 class and one of the best we've signed in a decade. Relax.

 

[WR Cane]

# 6 class and we are now behind Clemson AND WE HAVE 6 MORE RECRUITS THAN THEY DO!! LOL

 

[bshaw28]

You can say Kirby is a bad coach, or he was successful because of all his Seniors, or that he's cheating in recruiting. None of it matters.

Everyone in the SEC is cheating, Kirby is just doing it better. Kirby doesn't have to be a good coach with the amount of talent he's loading up with. Saban can't coach forever and it's a matter of time before the torch gets passed to Georgia. It almost happened this year. Georgia is going to be a consistent NC contender. I don't like it, but that's just the reality of the situation.

As for Richt - I was hoping those Top 5-10 Georgia recruiting classes would turn into Top 1-5 recruiting classes at Miami just based on Miami having better local talent. But I'm not seeing that so far, and at 58 and being a head coach for 17 years, I don't see a "fire" being lit under Richt or him making any major changes/adjustments.

Miami is in a much better place with Richt. We'll have some really good recruiting classes, like we do this year. But it's just not enough to win a NC. We'll be consistently good, always in the hunt for the ACC title, but I don't see us getting a NC under Richt. I expect the results to be similar to what he did at Georgia.

 

[Ammok]

# 6 class and we are now behind Clemson AND WE HAVE 6 MORE RECRUITS THAN THEY DO!! LOL

Right. And above reigning NC Bama and in playoffs/missed NC by a hair Oklahoma. So we did just fine all things considered.

 

[Katzenboyer]

Let's dig deeper, shall we? Here's Georgia's 2017 schedule and their opponents' record.

App State - 9-4 record. Good win I guess.
ND - 10-3. One point victory in South Bend against a team we boat raced.
Samford - FCS. Yawn.
Mississippi State - 9-4. OK win.
Tennessee - 4-8. Yawn.
Vanderbilt - 5-7. Another SEC East cupcake.
Florida - 4-7. Terrible Gator team.
South Carolina - 9-4, but that record reflects how poor the SEC East competition was. Gamecocks best win came against 9-4 NC State, and includes wins against Florida, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Missouri, LA Tech and Arkansas (all of whom finished at or below .500).
Auburn - drubbed by three scores.
Kentucky - 7-6.
Georgia Tech - 5-6.
Auburn - SECCG. Best win of their season, but avoided Bama.
OU - defense (apparently Smart's bread and butter) torched. Needed a miracle FG block to win.
Bama - L.

To me, that's not an impressive schedule. Smart doesn't all of a sudden become a genius because he got to beat up on a crap SEC East schedule and a few other cupcakes. ND, Auburn and OU are all good wins, but I'm not ready to crown UGA as some world beater until he repeats the performance 1.) with a more competitive SEC East schedule and 2.) after the loss of Richt's 31 seniors.

 

[Katzenboyer]

You can say Kirby is a bad coach, or he was successful because of all his Seniors, or that he's cheating in recruiting. None of it matters.

Everyone in the SEC is cheating, Kirby is just doing it better. Kirby doesn't have to be a good coach with the amount of talent he's loading up with. Saban can't coach forever and it's a matter of time before the torch gets passed to Georgia. It almost happened this year. Georgia is going to be a consistent NC contender. I don't like it, but that's just the reality of the situation.

As for Richt - I was hoping those Top 5-10 Georgia recruiting classes would turn into Top 1-5 recruiting classes at Miami just based on Miami having better local talent. But I'm not seeing that so far, and at 58 and being a head coach for 17 years, I don't see a "fire" being lit under Richt or him making any major changes/adjustments.

Miami is in a much better place with Richt. We'll have some really good recruiting classes, like we do this year. But it's just not enough to win a NC. We'll be consistently good, always in the hunt for the ACC title, but I don't see us getting a NC under Richt. I expect the results to be similar to what he did at Georgia.

Dabo Swinney's first four classes:

2009: ranked #37
2010: ranked #19
2011: ranked #8
2012: ranked #14
2013: ranked #14
2015: ranked #4

So it took Clemson under Swinney three years to sign his first top 10 class (which Richt will do today) and 6 years to sign a top 5 class. You think Tiger fans are happy they were patient?

It's too early to say we can't recruit at an NC-level with Richt when the improvement from year one to year two is stark. Sometimes, you lose battles; just the way crootin' goes.

 

[CTCanes]

Richt had a top 10 class from 2011-2015 at UGA. So he can recruit. He is proving that here as well.

 

[ISLANDCANES]

Georgia had 31 seniors on their team last year. That helps TREMENDOUSLY with the second year results, especially when the SEC East has been a dumpster fire.

Smart was 7-5 in his first year and beat up on pretty average competition this past season. I don't necessarily know if he'll have the kind of sustained success everyone expects, and he inherited a loaded cupboard from Richt (who inherited much less in Coral Gables.)

I understand people are disappointed about PS2 and Campbell, but there's some ignorant-a$$ ***** being posted right now.

31 Seniors. Chubb and Michel, both potentially first or at worst early second rd draft picks, both returned. RB's returned! We have Walton, who won't be drafted till the 3rd round at best, leave as a Junior. Until that culture changes, NOTHING will change for CMR and staff. It's been proven time and again, experience matters.

 

[MainLineCane]

I hope Richt doesnt think like you guys. He needs to get his head out of his *** and start cheating too then if thats the only way to win games.

WHAT!!??

Any real Cane fan doesn't want to go down the cheating road again. Any really smart Cane fan knows that the ONE school one that will ALWAYS be scrutinized the most by the NCAA are our Canes. We will ALWAYS have a 1,000,000 watt spotlight on our azzes. So why bother even trying to cheat

I don't want to ever live any more years on the outside looking in under NCAA probation.

 

[MainLineCane]

You can say Kirby is a bad coach, or he was successful because of all his Seniors, or that he's cheating in recruiting. None of it matters.

Everyone in the SEC is cheating, Kirby is just doing it better. Kirby doesn't have to be a good coach with the amount of talent he's loading up with. Saban can't coach forever and it's a matter of time before the torch gets passed to Georgia. It almost happened this year. Georgia is going to be a consistent NC contender. I don't like it, but that's just the reality of the situation.

As for Richt - I was hoping those Top 5-10 Georgia recruiting classes would turn into Top 1-5 recruiting classes at Miami just based on Miami having better local talent. But I'm not seeing that so far, and at 58 and being a head coach for 17 years, I don't see a "fire" being lit under Richt or him making any major changes/adjustments.

Miami is in a much better place with Richt. We'll have some really good recruiting classes, like we do this year. But it's just not enough to win a NC. We'll be consistently good, always in the hunt for the ACC title, but I don't see us getting a NC under Richt. I expect the results to be similar to what he did at Georgia.

Dabo Swinney's first four classes:

2009: ranked #37
2010: ranked #19
2011: ranked #8
2012: ranked #14
2013: ranked #14
2015: ranked #4

So it took Clemson under Swinney three years to sign his first top 10 class (which Richt will do today) and 6 years to sign a top 5 class. You think Tiger fans are happy they were patient?

It's too early to say we can't recruit at an NC-level with Richt when the improvement from year one to year two is stark. Sometimes, you lose battles; just the way crootin' goes.

^^^ DITTO.

I'm happy with this class.
Could it have been better??? SURE
Could it have been worse?? WITHOUT A DOUBT!!

I'll happily take this TOP 10 class and I won't look back