Serious Butch Davis Questions

[Gamineal]

so.....the mailbox was funny!!

Listen banners are flying to embarrass the BOT and Blake James into firing al, I am sure the first call will be by looking at the banner and saying there that is what the villagers want go hire him

Butch will never get the call, NEVER from Miami,

I am not sure he will coach again. I liked Butch and he is 99% better than Golden in every way. He has NFL exp and 20 years ago yes 20 years ago those Super Bowl rings looked great in Moms living room. He had great asst coaches Coker was a solid OC and Bill Miller was a good DC ( coaches at FSU LB now) Then he hired Greg who was the best DC since Sonny Lubic or Wanstashy....

Either way I want AL gone...what our record would be have with Butch here in the last 5 years thats another 10 pages...

I do think AL and his PAL would have never sniffed a ship with our 2000-2004 teams,, They are horrible coaches and that will continue

 

[wacane]

Butch is home today sifting thru all the offers he has had in 5 years..

Butch essentially is banned from college football, which is why he has zero offers. There is simply no way that he is coaching here again. This is NOT an anti Butch message, its just reality. Expecting BD to be named our next head coach is similar to believing in Santa Claus.

I agree...he is not banned BTW he just ****ed up very badly at UNC , great guy but I don't have a short memory on what he did to us on how he left and why he left

Finally a Cane fan without amnesia.

Butch in his 5th year at Miami was basically Golden in his 5th year at Miami.
0-5 vs FSU
one sub .500 year
Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions
Both with some bad losses (VT, Syracuse, ECU twice).

The similar paths and results these two have taken is remarkable.
Yet one is getting lynched and the other is a GOD. SMH

GTFO. You cannot believe what you just wrote

 

[Torocane]

Butch also had the advantage of playing in the OB.
Miami was a couple of years removed from wining the MNC. Miami was still respected nationally as a top program.
Coaching in an era that didn't have as much parity as there is now.
Was recruiting South Florida when FAU, FIU, USF where just starting out or didn't exists. Under the radar kids like Moss, Morgan would have likely ended up scholarship offers to those schools.

As for the sanctions, Butch came in knowing what he had to deal with which makes it easier to move forward.
Golden was at the mercy of the NCAA for 3 seasons without knowing what he was dealing with.

so again, given all these factors, both Golden and Butch are in similar places year 5 into their tenure.

Youre out of your mind.

Miami ws NOT a couple years removed from winning the NC. Where were you when all this was happening? Remember the calls for the death penalty - for real? Remember the Sports Illustrated cover, and the article?

Coaching in that era had just as much parity back then - what an idiotic statement.

Golden hasn't YET dealt with any sanctions. We've NEVER had a full roster.

You're just another UM shill digging for more time. Your *** is as good as gone - count on it.

Yes I remember the calls for the death penalty and SI cover. Similar to the calls for the death penalty on non sport stations like MSNBC, CNN, etc airing the Shapiro story and Yahoo writing their investigative piece. Where the heck were you?
Again the similarity of these 2 is uncanny.
You clowns wanted Butch fired back then 5 years into his tenure at UM like you do Golden.
Now you want Butch back.. You really can't make this stuff up.

Ok
Let's get to the point.
Do you think Al Golden should remain the HC at UM?

If he can end the year on a strong note sort of how Butch did in 99 then yes he should be given a 6th year like Butch was.

Define strong note.

 

[kkinder94]

If he can end the year on a strong note sort of how Butch did in 99 then yes he should be given a 6th year like Butch was.

If Golden still wins the Coastal, then he won't be going anywhere. If they flop like previous years, he will be gone. He can still win the Coastal. I doubt it, but it is still in his hands.

 

[4th-and-14]

Of all of Shalala's F-ups (and there are a lot), this is by far the most unforgivable. The fact that she (and Dee) hired Shannon, when Butch was willing and available (and still in his prime), b/c Butch hurt their feelings before is borderline criminal. That did more damage to UM than if she had set the school on fire. Utterly shameful.

Just think about that one more time: they picked Shannon over Butch. Randy Shannon over Butch Davis.

 

[drifters1234]

Butch is home today sifting thru all the offers he has had in 5 years..

Butch essentially is banned from college football, which is why he has zero offers. There is simply no way that he is coaching here again. This is NOT an anti Butch message, its just reality. Expecting BD to be named our next head coach is similar to believing in Santa Claus.

I agree...he is not banned BTW he just ****ed up very badly at UNC , great guy but I don't have a short memory on what he did to us on how he left and why he left

Finally a Cane fan without amnesia.

Butch in his 5th year at Miami was basically Golden in his 5th year at Miami.
0-5 vs FSU
one sub .500 year
Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions
Both with some bad losses (VT, Syracuse, ECU twice).

The similar paths and results these two have taken is remarkable.
Yet one is getting lynched and the other is a GOD. SMH

this is certifiably delusional if meant seriously.

More likely, just a troll, selectively picking stats w/o viewing them in perspective.

Golden's "cloud" and Butch's actual 30+ scholarship sanctions are not even in the same stratosphere in terms of impact on a program.

 

[Verobob]

UNC still awaits the shnit storm coming down from the NCAA and even though Butch was "cleared" no
one believes it. Butch had to know what was going on in the UNC athletic dept. So ... those of you
that believe that UM will rehire Butch well ... than you have to believe in Jimminy Cricket and the
Easter bunner.

 

[Rellyrell]

***** you & yo' ECU example.

Butch's record after losing 5 straight to FSU, and UW in 2000?....39-6.
Butch's record after losing to ECU?...12-3.
Butch's record after losing to FSU in His 4th season?...6-1.
Butch's record after losing to FSU in His 5th season?...7-1.

Folden's record after losing 5 straight to FSU?...a LMAO! 6-8.
Folden's record after losing to FSU in His 4th season?...0-3.
Will Folden's record after losing to FSU in His 5th season, be like Butch's record after losing to FSU in His 5th season?...nope.

These Trolls will never learn.

 

[Rellyrell]

Butch essentially is banned from college football, which is why he has zero offers. There is simply no way that he is coaching here again. This is NOT an anti Butch message, its just reality. Expecting BD to be named our next head coach is similar to believing in Santa Claus.

I agree...he is not banned BTW he just ****ed up very badly at UNC , great guy but I don't have a short memory on what he did to us on how he left and why he left

Finally a Cane fan without amnesia.

Butch in his 5th year at Miami was basically Golden in his 5th year at Miami.
0-5 vs FSU
one sub .500 year
Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions
Both with some bad losses (VT, Syracuse, ECU twice).

The similar paths and results these two have taken is remarkable.
Yet one is getting lynched and the other is a GOD. SMH

Wtf r u talking about?? Do u have amnesia or selective memory? I'm giving u the opportunity to chose ur course of insanity!

Butch at yr 5- 67.8 wining pct Wrong at this point 4 games into his 5th year his winning pct was 64.7
Golden at yr 5- 54.6 winning pct Wrong.. as of Today Golden's is 56.4

Butch at yr 5- 2 Big East Conference Crowns - LOL he was tied for 1st with VT winning on Tie breaker. Plus you can't compare the Big East to the ACC. Golden has to play FSU and VT every year in the ACC.. Butch didn't. His losses vs FSU didn't impact the ACC.
Golden at yr 5- 0 ACC titles - Speaking of ties in 2012 Golden tied for 1st place in the coastal.

Butch at yr 5- total of 30 lost schollies - He lost those in the front end of this tenure when he was given a pass. BY year 5 his roster was complete with talent.. The team that lost to ECU was loaded.
Golden at yr 5- total of 9 lost schollies - Golden also had to deal with the uncertainty of having to wait 3 years to learn what the punishment would be. By year 5 those 9 lost scholarship hurt more. This team with 5 more scholarship players would be a huge boon.

Butch at yr 5- 3-0 in bowl games - Wrong he was 2-0 and against average opponents UVA and NcState both 7-5).
Golden at yr 5- 0-2 in bowl games - UL and SC more better teams than UVA NCState.

The only thing that's similar is that they were both 0-5 against FSU...except one was dealing w a roster of 75 (Butch)

You revisionist kill me. But I'm sure you're either Golden, Onofrio, a BOT member who hates Butch, or Kelly...therefore your lack of common sense makes perfect sense.

The Butch Urban Legend grows

you are the dumbest **** i've ever seen in my life on this board. LOL.....did you just really try to correct my facts by given trying to interject bull ish? lol. I'm done homie. Yo, what ever flavor Golden's sack taste like, you can keep it, dog.

 

[Insanecane]

Butch essentially is banned from college football, which is why he has zero offers. There is simply no way that he is coaching here again. This is NOT an anti Butch message, its just reality. Expecting BD to be named our next head coach is similar to believing in Santa Claus.

I agree...he is not banned BTW he just ****ed up very badly at UNC , great guy but I don't have a short memory on what he did to us on how he left and why he left

Finally a Cane fan without amnesia.

Butch in his 5th year at Miami was basically Golden in his 5th year at Miami.
0-5 vs FSU
one sub .500 year
Both dealing with the NCAA and sanctions
Both with some bad losses (VT, Syracuse, ECU twice).

The similar paths and results these two have taken is remarkable.
Yet one is getting lynched and the other is a GOD. SMH

Wtf r u talking about?? Do u have amnesia or selective memory? I'm giving u the opportunity to chose ur course of insanity!

Butch at yr 5- 67.8 wining pct Wrong at this point 4 games into his 5th year his winning pct was 64.7 Still better than Golden's win %
Golden at yr 5- 54.6 winning pct Wrong.. as of Today Golden's is 56.4 Still worse that Butch's win %

Butch at yr 5- 2 Big East Conference Crowns - LOL he was tied for 1st with VT winning on Tie breaker. Plus you can't compare the Big East to the ACC. Al has never even won his division, much less his conference. Golden has to play FSU and VT every year in the ACC.. Butch didn't. This is a LIE, Miami played VT and FSU every year during Butch's tenure. His losses vs FSU didn't impact the ACC. Maybe not, but his teams did not implode after a FSU loss like Golden's teams do. That is coaching.
Golden at yr 5- 0 ACC titles - Speaking of ties in 2012 Golden tied for 1st place in the coastal. Another LIE, North Carolina aslo self imposed, they had beaten Miami head to head and therefore would have won the tie breaker had they chosen to do so.

Butch at yr 5- total of 30 lost schollies - He lost those in the front end of this tenure when he was given a pass. BY year 5 his roster was complete with talent.. The team that lost to ECU was loaded. 30>9 AND, even with those schollie reductions by your own admition Butch had a loaded (but young) team in 1999. It was loaded because Butch could spot and develop talent.
Golden at yr 5- total of 9 lost schollies - Golden also had to deal with the uncertainty of having to wait 3 years to learn what the punishment would be. By year 5 those 9 lost scholarship hurt more. This team with 5 more scholarship players would be a huge boon. College football wanted to bury Miami in the mid 90's. Allegations of players on blow, the murder of players, indictment of out of control SMU type of penalties. Butch had huge issues to deal with as well.

Butch at yr 5- 3-0 in bowl games - Wrong he was 2-0 and against average opponents UVA and NcState both 7-5). If you look at their records, UVA and NCState were much better teams than they are now.
Golden at yr 5- 0-2 in bowl games - UL and SC more better teams than UVA NCState. Opinion.

The only thing that's similar is that they were both 0-5 against FSU...except one was dealing w a roster of 75 (Butch). So Butch did have a greater handicap? Ok.

You revisionist kill me. But I'm sure you're either Golden, Onofrio, a BOT member who hates Butch, or Kelly...therefore your lack of common sense makes perfect sense.

The Butch Urban Legend grows

Butch had less Head Coaching experience than Al Golden when he took over a broken Miami program. Coach Davis struggled early, but what he built cannot be denied. He changed not only the football teams success, but the entire culture of the football team. Unlike Al he fired his friend Miller when the defense wasn't working and hired Schiano, a **** of a Defense Coordinator.


Keep in mind too that Cleveland has not won a play off game since Butch Davis was their Head Coach.