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Dead on IMO (except I guess I'm in the minority on Chickillo. Good player, but never what everyone here makes him out to be. All-star games show me nothing. What he did on the field, on the other hand... and that's with him pinning his ears back and rushing in a four-man line on long distances over the course of his whole career.) Development of players is there, but the problem is the gameplan/playcalling. Development depends on both players and coaches. Gameplanning/playcalling...that's all on the coaches.


TheMatador said:
theramon said:
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/24/senior-bowl-recap


Best 6-7 team: 2014 Miami Hurricanes

The draftable talent is astounding for a Miami team that finished below .500. Every Hurricane that showed up in Mobile -- LB Denzel Perryman, CB Ladarius Gunter, WR Phillip Dorset and TE Clive Walford -- walked away having helped himself. All four should be off the board before the draft's second day concludes.
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It's really sad to see this written. Such an indictment on how much this coaching staff has underachieved.
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No, not quite right. They apparently did a fairly good job in one aspect of coaching, developing them individually. They failed in another part, not putting all the individual talents together into a coherent winning team. No one can suggest that Walford, for example, was not developed. He had an excellent year and came from being an inexperienced raw talent to a very fine TE. That was due, in part, to good coaching. Gunter is another that apparently was developed individually, despite all the hatred for Paul Williams.

The coaching problem is scheme and philosophy. They even failed to capitalize on Chick's underappreciated individual skills.

There are different aspects to coaching, and the fact that so many individually have shined at the post-season games suggests that they received fairly good positional coaching, but were not utilized properly in the overall scheme.
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svenben said:
confused... so coaches are good at getting players NFL ready? I understand the questions about having "all this NFL talent" but in reality its 4 guys. FSU has 5 Jrs entering...

ie these guys are good but the quantity is not enough to outright win games.
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what does that mean?>?...remember their early declarant at rb last year..what rd did he get drafted>??


FSU individula talent players dont excite me all too much...guys like Mario Edwards never showed me a **** thing elite...Goldman is pretty solid and likely shows in the league.....

PJ Williams can play.......
 
Craziest part of all this, is that Golden will be able to boast about producing NFL players, and having a top 20 defense... Go figure...SMH!

theramon said:
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/24/senior-bowl-recap


Best 6-7 team: 2014 Miami Hurricanes

The draftable talent is astounding for a Miami team that finished below .500. Every Hurricane that showed up in Mobile -- LB Denzel Perryman, CB Ladarius Gunter, WR Phillip Dorset and TE Clive Walford -- walked away having helped himself. All four should be off the board before the draft's second day concludes.
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It's really sad to see this written. Such an indictment on how much this coaching staff has underachieved.
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TheMatador said:
theramon said:
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/24/senior-bowl-recap


Best 6-7 team: 2014 Miami Hurricanes

The draftable talent is astounding for a Miami team that finished below .500. Every Hurricane that showed up in Mobile -- LB Denzel Perryman, CB Ladarius Gunter, WR Phillip Dorset and TE Clive Walford -- walked away having helped himself. All four should be off the board before the draft's second day concludes.
Click to expand...

It's really sad to see this written. Such an indictment on how much this coaching staff has underachieved.
Click to expand...

No, not quite right. They apparently did a fairly good job in one aspect of coaching, developing them individually. They failed in another part, not putting all the individual talents together into a coherent winning team. No one can suggest that Walford, for example, was not developed. He had an excellent year and came from being an inexperienced raw talent to a very fine TE. That was due, in part, to good coaching. Gunter is another that apparently was developed individually, despite all the hatred for Paul Williams.

The coaching problem is scheme and philosophy. They even failed to capitalize on Chick's underappreciated individual skills.

There are different aspects to coaching, and the fact that so many individually have shined at the post-season games suggests that they received fairly good positional coaching, but were not utilized properly in the overall scheme.
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Yo, I actually agree w/ this whole heartedly. We have talent, but the fact is the scheme is not matching the talent. If we ran a 4-3, I think Chick would've earned All-ACC honors consistently. If we played bump and run on the outside, I think no one would question TH3's abilities. If we brought the safety down, I think DB2 would be an All-American. We run scheme's that's not meshing w/ the quality of players we have. Regardless, that is still a coaching issue, period.
 
TheMatador said:
theramon said:
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/24/senior-bowl-recap


Best 6-7 team: 2014 Miami Hurricanes

The draftable talent is astounding for a Miami team that finished below .500. Every Hurricane that showed up in Mobile -- LB Denzel Perryman, CB Ladarius Gunter, WR Phillip Dorset and TE Clive Walford -- walked away having helped himself. All four should be off the board before the draft's second day concludes.
Click to expand...

It's really sad to see this written. Such an indictment on how much this coaching staff has underachieved.
Click to expand...

No, not quite right. They apparently did a fairly good job in one aspect of coaching, developing them individually. They failed in another part, not putting all the individual talents together into a coherent winning team. No one can suggest that Walford, for example, was not developed. He had an excellent year and came from being an inexperienced raw talent to a very fine TE. That was due, in part, to good coaching. Gunter is another that apparently was developed individually, despite all the hatred for Paul Williams.

The coaching problem is scheme and philosophy. They even failed to capitalize on Chick's underappreciated individual skills.

There are different aspects to coaching, and the fact that so many individually have shined at the post-season games suggests that they received fairly good positional coaching, but were not utilized properly in the overall scheme.
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Not quite right on the "they do a good job developing players"! These guys are all four year players, who should be farther along in their development and draft status. When teams perform as bad and inconsistently as the Canes have the last 2 seasons is a result average development, coaching and position technique training. Golden's problem is these truths are exacerbated by the things you mentioned like schemes and surrounding yourself with really knowledgeable coaches.
 
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It's just sad because players are being developed, they're just forced into playing the most heinous scheme ever conjured up by a man.
 
Minimal development of players is not the same as maximizing the development of players.

These corches will NEVER develop a kid to his fullest potential.

For fvck sake Eric Flowers would be a top 3 pick if he had been developed by a real staff.
 
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