Senior Bowl, Pour It On

[RaiseCane]

I'm laughing that posters on here think Dorsett and Perryman were maximized here.

Dorsett had 36 catches this year. We had probably the fastest guy in college football and he got the ball less then 3 times a game.

Perryman had 9.5 TFL this year. For comparison Sean Spence had 17 his Jr year and 14 his Sr year.

This is spot on. Dorsett was leading the country in yards per reception throughout the entire season, and yet, we weren't able to find a way to get the ball to him more, especially because we didn't really have another WR step up as a 2nd guy. There should have been a way to get him the ball another couple times a game in areas of the field where he could catch the ball on the run and use his speed to create big plays (and not just on deep balls over the top).

Perryman showed the ability to be a disruptive force in the running game and on blitzes when we gave him the rare opportunity to really come down hill and make plays behind the line. However, based on our garbage, passive defensive scheme, he was frequently lining up 7+ yards behind the DL, making it almost impossible for him to get TFLs. Add in the fact that he was playing behind mediocre DTs and it's pretty remarkable he was able to have the success he was able to have.

To suggest that either of these guys were developed as they should have been is silly. These guys obviously had more success in college than Chick, who was misused worse than almost anyone on the entire team, but both guys still could have had even more impact, especially this year.

 

[LuCane]

I just read on here that guys are looking good against top competition because of the coaching they received with the Canes?

Powerful trolling.

More like guys have played with shackles and they're only now being released - literally and figuratively.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

I just read on here that guys are looking good against top competition because of the coaching they received with the Canes?

Powerful trolling.

More like guys have played with shackles and they're only now being released - literally and figuratively.

Yep, you just read that. This board gets crazier by the day, although I'm not surprised at the posters who are making these claims

 

[Geo305]

I'm laughing that posters on here think Dorsett and Perryman were maximized here.

Dorsett had 36 catches this year. We had probably the fastest guy in college football and he got the ball less then 3 times a game.

Perryman had 9.5 TFL this year. For comparison Sean Spence had 17 his Jr year and 14 his Sr year.

+1:KYPOwCc:

 

[INCaneFan]

I'm laughing that posters on here think Dorsett and Perryman were maximized here.

Dorsett had 36 catches this year. We had probably the fastest guy in college football and he got the ball less then 3 times a game.

Perryman had 9.5 TFL this year. For comparison Sean Spence had 17 his Jr year and 14 his Sr year.

I agree with pretty much all of that, but the fastest football player in the country plays for OkState. I'll be interested in seeing what Dorsett runs at the combine and if it's 4.3 or under, I'll never understand why he wasn't on the indoor track team for the 60.

 

[HugoDelapina]

@TheREALPerchick Clive. TD. 65 yards. At this point I can just copy and paste tweets about how well Miami guys are doing #SeniorBowl

 

[itsacanething]

I'm laughing that posters on here think Dorsett and Perryman were maximized here.

Dorsett had 36 catches this year. We had probably the fastest guy in college football and he got the ball less then 3 times a game.

Perryman had 9.5 TFL this year. For comparison Sean Spence had 17 his Jr year and 14 his Sr year.

This is spot on. Dorsett was leading the country in yards per reception throughout the entire season, and yet, we weren't able to find a way to get the ball to him more, especially because we didn't really have another WR step up as a 2nd guy. There should have been a way to get him the ball another couple times a game in areas of the field where he could catch the ball on the run and use his speed to create big plays (and not just on deep balls over the top).

Perryman showed the ability to be a disruptive force in the running game and on blitzes when we gave him the rare opportunity to really come down hill and make plays behind the line. However, based on our garbage, passive defensive scheme, he was frequently lining up 7+ yards behind the DL, making it almost impossible for him to get TFLs. Add in the fact that he was playing behind mediocre DTs and it's pretty remarkable he was able to have the success he was able to have.

To suggest that either of these guys were developed as they should have been is silly. These guys obviously had more success in college than Chick, who was misused worse than almost anyone on the entire team, but both guys still could have had even more impact, especially this year.

I have no problem with anyone suggesting dorsett wasn't used properly because clearly he should have been targeted more (at least 3 or 4 more times per game). however, someone needs to tell me how that means he wasn't coached right or developed properly. to me they do not mean the same thing.

 

[brock]

It's as simple as this... Golden and co can find and develop talent they just don't use it correctly....

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

It's as simple as this... Golden and co can find and develop talent they just don't use it correctly....

Inconsistent and illogical.

And are they really finding talent when they find kids who a chimp could evaluate? Let's talk about all of the diamonds in the rough Golden has successfully located.

 

[LuCane]

I'm laughing that posters on here think Dorsett and Perryman were maximized here.

Dorsett had 36 catches this year. We had probably the fastest guy in college football and he got the ball less then 3 times a game.

Perryman had 9.5 TFL this year. For comparison Sean Spence had 17 his Jr year and 14 his Sr year.

This is spot on. Dorsett was leading the country in yards per reception throughout the entire season, and yet, we weren't able to find a way to get the ball to him more, especially because we didn't really have another WR step up as a 2nd guy. There should have been a way to get him the ball another couple times a game in areas of the field where he could catch the ball on the run and use his speed to create big plays (and not just on deep balls over the top).

Perryman showed the ability to be a disruptive force in the running game and on blitzes when we gave him the rare opportunity to really come down hill and make plays behind the line. However, based on our garbage, passive defensive scheme, he was frequently lining up 7+ yards behind the DL, making it almost impossible for him to get TFLs. Add in the fact that he was playing behind mediocre DTs and it's pretty remarkable he was able to have the success he was able to have.

To suggest that either of these guys were developed as they should have been is silly. These guys obviously had more success in college than Chick, who was misused worse than almost anyone on the entire team, but both guys still could have had even more impact, especially this year.

I have no problem with anyone suggesting dorsett wasn't used properly because clearly he should have been targeted more (at least 3 or 4 more times per game). however, someone needs to tell me how that means he wasn't coached right or developed properly. to me they do not mean the same thing.

The problem is part of being "coached right" is putting players in the position to look good or even better than what they are relative to the competition. A guy like Dorsett worked really hard to improve his body and may have even received development in terms of route running (part of that comes from self-development on the players' part, by the way), but he didn't "look" as good as he may be (especially relative to college opponents).

Again, Golden's issues are at the strategic level. And, the way that affects players is that they don't look as good as they should as individuals or together as a team. If he were good in this area, the players would happily nod their heads at the motivational ploys and the other stuff. Because his leadership has shown players that it doesn't make them look better or bring them wins, the entire thing collapses on itself.

 

[DiegoCane]

It's as simple as this... Golden and co can find and develop talent they just don't use it correctly....

Inconsistent and illogical.

And are they really finding talent when they find kids who a chimp could evaluate? Let's talk about all of the diamonds in the rough Golden has successfully located.

This.

I cannot believe the stuff being spewed on this board right now. Somehow all these kid who are looking way better in a different setting is a positive on Golden.

He held Dorsett, Chick, Perryman, Gunter back. They are all shooting up draft boards and will still be taken lower then they should. That isn't development. That is gross misuse of talent.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

It's as simple as this... Golden and co can find and develop talent they just don't use it correctly....

Inconsistent and illogical.

And are they really finding talent when they find kids who a chimp could evaluate? Let's talk about all of the diamonds in the rough Golden has successfully located.

This.

I cannot believe the stuff being spewed on this board right now. Somehow all these kid who are looking way better in a different setting is a positive on Golden.

He held Dorsett, Chick, Perryman, Gunter back. They are all shooting up draft boards and will still be taken lower then they should. That isn't development. That is gross misuse of talent.

I'm convinced that most/all of these posters today are UM plants. This type of stupidity is quite disturbing.

 

[cummon sense]

someone on the coaching staff definitely did a good job bringing up Dorsett, Walford, and even Perryman.

all three were three stars at best at time of recruitment and have outperformed the five stars of their respective years.

dorsett has improved his downfield blocking

clive has really learned how to gain separation and make tough catches.

a lot of that CAN be and SHOULD be credited to the players. but some part of that HAS to go to the coaching staff.

don't let your hate for Golden blind you

 

[LuCane]

someone on the coaching staff definitely did a good job bringing up Dorsett, Walford, and even Perryman.

all three were three stars at best at time of recruitment and have outperformed the five stars of their respective years.

dorsett has improved his downfield blocking

clive has really learned how to gain separation and make tough catches.

a lot of that CAN be and SHOULD be credited to the players. but some part of that HAS to go to the coaching staff.

don't let your hate for Golden blind you

Some of it goes to the coaching staff, no doubt. They should still look better than they have as individual players and collectively. Especially, collectively. That's the primary purpose of coaching.

 

[butchs'revenge]

I watched the film of Dorsett and I really think he can fly up some draft boards. The offensive system in place here only made him run seam patterns. Once he begins to utilize the whole route tree in his workouts teams will come running after him. If he plays well here and in the combine and his pro day he'll be no later than a second day pick. So many teams need a kid of his skill set and it will show as he skyrockets up draft boards.

exactly same thing for Hurns, he went undrafted because all he ran were 10 yard outs for us. once he was let loose people saw how good of an all around reciver he is at JAX this year.

this whole philosophy of every play is designed for one guy to make the tackle instead of attacking and how we limit players by only having them do specific specialized roles really sets these players back and does not take advantage of all their abilities

 

[The Franchise]

I'm laughing that posters on here think Dorsett and Perryman were maximized here.

Dorsett had 36 catches this year. We had probably the fastest guy in college football and he got the ball less then 3 times a game.

Perryman had 9.5 TFL this year. For comparison Sean Spence had 17 his Jr year and 14 his Sr year.

This is spot on. Dorsett was leading the country in yards per reception throughout the entire season, and yet, we weren't able to find a way to get the ball to him more, especially because we didn't really have another WR step up as a 2nd guy. There should have been a way to get him the ball another couple times a game in areas of the field where he could catch the ball on the run and use his speed to create big plays (and not just on deep balls over the top).

Perryman showed the ability to be a disruptive force in the running game and on blitzes when we gave him the rare opportunity to really come down hill and make plays behind the line. However, based on our garbage, passive defensive scheme, he was frequently lining up 7+ yards behind the DL, making it almost impossible for him to get TFLs. Add in the fact that he was playing behind mediocre DTs and it's pretty remarkable he was able to have the success he was able to have.

To suggest that either of these guys were developed as they should have been is silly. These guys obviously had more success in college than Chick, who was misused worse than almost anyone on the entire team, but both guys still could have had even more impact, especially this year.

It's hard to get the ball to your playmakers more often when you're milking the play clock down to 3 seconds before every snap trying to protect your busted *** defensive stats. We were near the bottom of college football in plays per game, so that cuts down on chances for guys like Dorsett and all the other monsters on offense.

 

[ajkreider]

It's as simple as this... Golden and co can find and develop talent they just don't use it correctly....

This is correct. But it isn't saying the same thing as Golden et al being a good coach. Player development matters, but so does putting them in a position to use it, which is clearly the main failing. Takes a Golden slurper not to see this.

But it's obvious that Dorsett and DP developed as players here, skill-wise. Takes a Golden mope not to see this.

 

[2bja]

All the seniors mentioned in this thread had good years. Do you honestly think a few senior bowl practices made them so much better? Yeah some of them like chick maybe played outside their natural or best position but don't deny the fact that these guys were developed. Scheme is a different subject. I'll bet they all test well at the combine which also has a lot to do with the work they put in while here.

 

[Calicanerepresent]

Grats the boys from the U

get that NFL job, then represent!

 

[ajkreider]

All the seniors mentioned in this thread had good years. Do you honestly think a few senior bowl practices made them so much better? Yeah some of them like chick maybe played outside their natural or best position but don't deny the fact that these guys were developed. Scheme is a different subject. I'll bet they all test well at the combine which also has a lot to do with the work they put in while here.

You are much to intelligent to be posting on this board. Common sense and reason have no place here.