*Secondary* things don't matter nearly as much as.....

[tyrn]

Yes DLine is more important, this is true.

BUT... this was a layup for Rumph, and he couldn't deliver a guy he has known for 10 ******* years, and has coached at 2 different levels in his development.

Rumph is 100% a liability recruiting, and anyone who doesn't see it is blind.

He does a great job getting these guys to play at a high level, but we need a guy who can do both.



This is still an amazing class, but it could have been legendary with adding 2 of Campbell, Surtain, Jobe or Samuels which was "the plan" all year (Jobe and Campbell, which was the reason we screwed ourselves by slow playing Samuels).

Got to land 2 out of Stevenson, Dent and Sanguetti(sp?) for 2019, and you know they will be a battle with Baga and others coming after them hard.

And you better believe Saban will have a better grasp on the early signing period this cycle.

 

[jnw4563]

So we are getting our whole secondary back next year and we are adding CB's Blades 4*, Frierson 4*, Ivey 3* & Safety Hall 4*. CB is not as big of a need as DT being that we are loosing our 2 starting DT's to the draft

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Since our front seven recruiting sucks balls, it doesn't matter that our db recruiting is also hitting the *******? Amirite?

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[Awsi Dooger]

Are we trying to beat Alabama and Clemson or are we trying to beat Pittsburgh and Wisconsin?

If you want to beat Alabama and Clemson you better land studs at every position on the field, every year. That doesn't mean we have to land more 5 stars than Alabama, not happening... but you need more guys like Ivey and Frierson who can play with anyone. Alabama will have 5 star OL blocking that front seven you're talking about, and their 5 star QB is going to be throwing to 4 5 star WRs. That's the challenge. That's the bar. It ain't gonna be easy. You might say it's specifically "gonna take 3 motha ****ing things", but I digress. "We'll be fine" needs to be purged from every facet of Miami football from coaches down to fans.

That's basically what I've tried to say several times. We may be two classes from closer to Alabama's level. But then there's a huge step to actually being on Alabama's plateau. The reality becomes obscured a few times per year...when the Canes have a huge performance or Alabama struggles. The Adjusters rejoice and squawk. Adjusters seldom survive the real world, where there's a considerable gap even between Alabama and Clemson, when Deshaun Watson is not available as camouflage.

I'll go back to that Federer example in the French Open, where he won his only title after Rafael Nadal was out of the way. The Canes in the foreseeable need to reach a point they are up to at least 4th or 5th in the preseason ratings, and then have Alabama and Ohio State already eliminated by other teams. At that point it's possible.

 

[Combo]

So we are getting our whole secondary back next year and we are adding CB's Blades 4*, Frierson 4*, Ivey 3* & Safety Hall 4*. CB is not as big of a need as DT being that we are loosing our 2 starting DT's to the draft

That's the thing with DB talent in So Florida. We can miss on our top targets (Campbell, Jobe, Surtain) and still get some really good guys. But it's still a shame not to get those really elite guys, especially when the position coach is "like a father" to one of them.

 

[brock]

So we are getting our whole secondary back next year and we are adding CB's Blades 4*, Frierson 4*, Ivey 3* & Safety Hall 4*. CB is not as big of a need as DT being that we are loosing our 2 starting DT's to the draft

Ivey is a consensus 4star now

 

[westcoastcanes]

So we are getting our whole secondary back next year and we are adding CB's Blades 4*, Frierson 4*, Ivey 3* & Safety Hall 4*. CB is not as big of a need as DT being that we are loosing our 2 starting DT's to the draft

Ivey is a consensus 4star now

No he isn't.


D.J. Ivey - Football Recruiting - Player Profiles - ESPN
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2018/d-j-ivey-105627

 

[brock]

So we are getting our whole secondary back next year and we are adding CB's Blades 4*, Frierson 4*, Ivey 3* & Safety Hall 4*. CB is not as big of a need as DT being that we are loosing our 2 starting DT's to the draft

Ivey is a consensus 4star now

No he isn't.


D.J. Ivey - Football Recruiting - Player Profiles - ESPN
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2018/d-j-ivey-105627

Going by the 247 composite which literally everyone uses he’s graded as a 4star when factor all of the sites rankings

 

[westcoastcanes]

So we are getting our whole secondary back next year and we are adding CB's Blades 4*, Frierson 4*, Ivey 3* & Safety Hall 4*. CB is not as big of a need as DT being that we are loosing our 2 starting DT's to the draft

Ivey is a consensus 4star now

No he isn't.


D.J. Ivey - Football Recruiting - Player Profiles - ESPN
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2018/d-j-ivey-105627

Going by the 247 composite which literally everyone uses he’s graded as a 4star when factor all of the sites rankings

You said consensus. Do you know what that word means broke?

 

[CaneOil]

Every year Bama has the best or close to the best lines, IMO their weak spot is their secondary they still win. I Know the GA game was close but I would have rather seen them play OK and that passing game. Bama started off bad and were lucky to come back like they did, but on paper they matched up better with GA than OK. Probably would have beaten OK because OK's D pretty much sucks. But almost every year you're not going beat Bama with a running game, gotta be a great passing team, (most of the time). I didn't think GA would win that game.

If your D linemen are in the backfield all game the D-backs just don't matter as much. I've said it a hundred times, the teams with the best lines will be in the hunt every year. Sure it's great to have the best at every position but IMO, DB is not the one I care about the most. Gotta get the lines on both sides to be elite. I didn't care one bit we lost Jobe, he's not elite IMO. TC hurts because of his top of the line speed at his size, I'm all about speed but I don't think he's as important as a killer D linemen.

ND's QB sucked because Miami was in the backfield all day long he had no time and made bad passes. Miami played out of their mind that day. That was one of those holy **** games, all the stars were aligned. They just couldn't do that day in day out though like the leaders, we'll get there.

I think if we can close with some nice linemen this class is elite. With two more elite classes and getting us back to 85 Scollies we will be right there with Bama, GA and Clemson. Richt will get us there, I really believe that. JMO

 

[Rellyrell]

This is a passing league; u need shut down DBs as well. You can have a dominant front 7 all u want, but if u have DBs that can’t stick w the WR, then what good is it for? I agree the trenches are extremely important, but let’s not marginalize the importance of having a player like TC who can shut down one side of the field where we can free up our S to play all over the field.

Not marginalizing. Reminding. Blades is shutdown. Look at the coverage on him and TC fom the all star practices and tell me whos better. Ivey got thrown to 6 times this year. SIX! Thats a shutdown. Frierson is as athletic as TC and more versatile.

TC is amazing. I WANT TC. ****, I want ALL the great ones. But Im pointing out the backlash over it makes sick, especially when its a luxury addition. Look at ANY shut down CB and you will find at least a very active front if not a dominant front.

Let me ask; don’t u find it concerning that a kid that Rumph mentored may or may not be considering us? If this wasn’t TC, bro I wouldn’t lose any sleep; but we’re talking about arguably one of the best DB prospects we’ve seen in a long time, in our back yard, coached up by our DB coach, considered a father figure, like family, and TC is not even considering us?? That doesn’t concern u? So it’s not about TC bouncing or not; it’s deeper than that, for me. Again, we don’t truly know anything. It’s been more rumors about TC then Elvis being seen, but if these rumors are in fact true, don’t that bother or concern u?

I don't lack concern its just heavier for me elsewhere.

Respect.

 

[omaha]

Sorry but Rumph has to go. You got to deliver guys from your school easily. I understand that DL is more important and that is a fact. But to be elite you have to be elite everywhere. OL is more important than RB’s but you need both to win the ACC. Still years away from consistent elite Bama, OK, OSU, status. We are not even UGA, Auburn, Penn St, FSU, TCU, Wisconsin, USC status yet. We just went to our first conference championship. I trust we are in the right direction. This class and classes like it will put us in the second classification. But to be in the Elite we need to land several Campbell’s and Nesta/Thompson combinations.

 

[PittsburghCane]

Everyone keeps saying DT DT DT disregarding elite secondaries. This is college football, you can have both. And we should have both.


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Yup. It shouldn't be a question of one or the other. No reason a program of our calibre in our location shouldn't be loaded everywhere.

Some might say a defense is as good as its weakest link. However, if I have to choose between a top DL and a top secondary, I'll choose the top DL every time. Nothing is as disheartening as having an opponent continually blow you off the line of scrimmage.

Of course we should always have a loaded secondary given the way So Florida produces DB talent.

OP (me) is not saying you can’t have both. That’s what you want to hear. I’m saying One is much more IMPORTANT than the othe. And to stop complaining about one player at a position we’re are becoming stacked in.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

Front 7. Thats the Primary concern we should all have. I get the thing with TC, Jobe, and PS2 and blah, blah, blah. But we won't be ANYTHING unless we have ELITE and deep front seven's year in and year out. As a Steelers fan this became reeeealll apparent Sunday. For years yinzers (slang for Pittsbughers) were clamoring for secondary, secondary, secondary. We need safeties, we need cornerbacks, we need this we nee that. So what happened, we spent three early round picks in 2016/17 on Artie, a safety and a nickel. Each one has exceeded expectations (Artie is **** near shut down). And then we signed Joe Haden who is still young and nearly elite and shutdown still.

But what got left behind was front seven depth. We had good top level talent there, but as soon as we had to rotate out we falter. As soon as we lose Shazier (Plantation High School) we become a dumpster fire on defense. As soon as our NT gets hurt s--t is ooooover. If we have depth there, if we have a stable of straight dogs there, we succeed.

Same goes for Miami. Y'all think our defense struggled late in the year because of secondary play? Mind you Redwine got MURKED in the bowl game, Dee struggled early and Malik faded late, but the turnovers, the ability to make plays in the secondary, happens because of what happens UP FRONT. Without the edge rushers containing and bringing heat we falter. Without DT's flushing the pocket and keeping the point of attack, we falter. Without LBs protecting that last line of defense we falter.

It can be TC this and TC that, love to have him but he's not the last piece. Or Surtain, and **** sure not Bama boy. Right now we have top level. Shaq, Pinck, 5-3, JJ, Garvin, Willis. But we need that area to be second to none.

Thats why we need to close Briggs. Thats why we need to close Nesta, Chat, and Chapman and most importantly Thompson. Gimme that Juco DE too. Gimme every able body that can make life **** upfront. Only way we win this thing is relentless force at attack.

DB's are, won't say dime a dozen but **** if you can't find way more DB's than you can trench bullies.

Y'all need to stop worrying about the shiny *Secondary* things and put all the cash on the biggest **** elephants in the room, right upfront.

Excellent post and I agree with you save for one thing. Although the premise of your post is logically sound in general terms I think you are missing the point that Tyson Campbell and Patrick Surtain are far from being the average good CB prospect. Both are elite, polished and physically ready to play now. In addition to that they are both potentially physically dominating lockdown CB's with the speed, hips and fluidity of a 5'10" nickel back at 6'2". Both are potential All Americans and have been very well coached to this point. These 2 are most certainly exceptions to your rule.

 

[Deleted member 13422]

Guys we lost a lot of kids from South Florida in the 1980's and we won and won big. We are going to be fine guys I love this class and it will only get better.