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Scary thing is the talent is as bad as the coaching

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This team could have and should have beaten UF. Beat Virginia, Pitt and bombed Louisville. They just didn't want to show up for FIU, Ga. Tech and La. Tech.
 
Is desire attributed to coaching? Blocking your man or tackling? Coming off double team block to pick up a free man. Physically dominating the person in front of you? Covering your man like a blanket. Refusing to get beat or lose. Catching the ball. Willing your team to victory.
 
Coaching man, we have talent. Look what UCF does with an recruiting class of around 60 in the nation, we are usually in the top 20 every year or better, and we lost two games to basically your JV teams in college. Manny may end up being a very good coach one day, but right now not so much. It’s all on him everyone on his staff crept for Rumph was his choice, think CMR picked him.

We have a lot of talent just no one to discipline and coach them, our coaches are out of their comfort zone when going up against real coaches. Skip Holtz is a good coach and it showed like Butch and Mack and everyone else who is whipping our *** with inferior talent. IMO
 
CaneSince4Ever said:
Yet Tutu Atwell's 5'9" 153# *** put up monster numbers for Louisville...the system sucks.

Now I'm not saying we have Natty talent, but we certainly had enough talent to win 10, maybe 11 games this year...the system sucks.
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Once again, Louisville force feeds tutu. We don’t feature a wr..last guy we did was Stacey coley
 
jed1250 said:
Coaching man, we have talent. Look what UCF does with an recruiting class of around 60 in the nation, we are usually in the top 20 every year or better, and we lost two games to basically your JV teams in college. Manny may end up being a very good coach one day, but right now not so much. It’s all on him everyone on his staff crept for Rumph was his choice, think CMR picked him.

We have a lot of talent just no one to discipline and coach them, our coaches are out of their comfort zone when going up against real coaches. Skip Holtz is a good coach and it showed like Butch and Mack and everyone else who is whipping our *** with inferior talent. IMO
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UCF wouldn’t win the amount of games they do in the ACC coastal. Week in week out. There would be an adjustment period for them as a program
 
We have plenty of talent to win the Coastal and that's where it needs to start. Forget about winning the ACC and being a top 10 team right now. ****, we're not even an above .500 team! However, this team beat Pitt, UVA, FSU and Lville all of which made a bowl game. Losing to the likes of FIU, Duke, GT, VT and LaTech has zero to do with talent and all to do with coaching! The coaches let the players down. Period.

This is all on Diaz....
 
305to954 said:
UCF wouldn’t win the amount of games they do in the ACC coastal. Week in week out. There would be an adjustment period for them as a program
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yea I thought about that but they did beat a couple od SEC teams in a bowl game and beat Auburn in Atlanta, they definitely wouldnt be as good, but just saying what if their recruiting classes.were as good as ours???? Just some food for thought. Just think we are being outcoached when we lose cause players are simply tuned out and have given up. I really have never witnessed anything this bad from our canes. It is a little scary to see how far we have fallen this far. These teams we are losing to are really way below our talent level, they just are not performing for this staff, especially the offense. The d did play hard
 
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U2Cane said:
Are we talking elite talent( ie, can play at Clemson/ OSU/ Bama?) or will maybe make an NFL 53 ?

Elite I would say is Jordan and Rouseau and thats it.

NFl roster maker i would add DJ, Thomas( for speed alone), Ford(?), Shaq, Garvin for sure, he may sneak into the first round with a great tryout, Pinkney maybe ? .....thats about it in terms of production. Lots of young players who were under used this year so maybe theres a few more.
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Lol...exactly
 
Look I have been watching UM since the late 70's. You have to have a coach who can motivate players. JJ, Erickson, and Schellenberger took every opponent seriously and said so pregame. Every single time. Every game was going to be not just a game to them but a war our players had to win. It was mano against mano and they knew we had the men to win the battle. These kids we have recruited are not warriors. It doesn't drive them crazy to lose a game. Michael Irvin, Steve Walsh, Craig Erickson, Michael Barrow, Ed Reed, etc, never found losing acceptable. Not a single game. The closest I have seen to that now is the current Ravens team. They don't need to win this weekend's game but they absolutely will. They want to win every game - never taste defeat. That is what is lacking at Miami. You can't accept defeat because you are a winner. You refuse to lose. We have spent 15 years of players who accept defeat as part of the job. We need coaches and players whose mindset is it not okay to lose. Excellence is a mindset. We just lost that mentality and the edge we need to win. Jarren Williams was 5-5 in his senior year in high school. He got used to losing and is okay with that and so he says he was just going through the motions in the bowl game. To recruit excellence you have to recruit winners - guys who refuse to lose. We aren't there with recruits like this.
 
NatchaBoy said:
Is desire attributed to coaching? Blocking your man or tackling? Coming off double team block to pick up a free man. Physically dominating the person in front of you? Covering your man like a blanket. Refusing to get beat or lose. Catching the ball. Willing your team to victory.
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It has EVERYTHING to do with coaching.

Proper coaching provides the confidence to play explosively without tentativeness. Tentativeness is often confused with laziness and “suck”.

When coaches prove themselves to be 1. Incompetent or 2. Weak, the team loses confidence and emotion to play explosively because they don’t truly believe in what they are doing.

Some guys, the true leaders, can fight through this, but most people aren’t true leaders, they are just ordinary, and that’s ok. The problem comes when leadership is poor.

Think of how the military can turn the vast majority men into disciplined soldiers, even when they are ****birds in the civilian world. They are able to do this because they know most people are followers and will go where they are lead if the leadership is competent.

The same principle applies to football. We expect players to rise to the occasion, but they fall to their training. The military created that saying and it is 100% truth.

Diaz himself shows what good leadership and a decent plan can provide for unit turning araound. He just isn’t ready to lead a team, and may never be.
 
TheChosenOne said:
We have talent just in certain position.

People will tell you we have loads of talent but a talented team can win in spite of coaching. We just have a bunch of bad evalutions on our team. People will use "we have X amount of stars, bro!" They are right we do but what does it mean if regime after regime they prove to be bust?

We have poor elevations couple with a poor development system.
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Our whole O Line roster is a big bust...worse that a pornhub greatest hits nut compilation...scary shït
 
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RightSaidFred said:
There’s so much talent on this team that not one player will be drafted in the first three rounds

Miami talent is laughable overrated
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Draft is based on production, not "talent". Bad coaching of talent will produce poor production, good coaching will produce high production.
 
TruCane81 said:
It has EVERYTHING to do with coaching.

Proper coaching provides the confidence to play explosively without tentativeness. Tentativeness is often confused with laziness and “suck”.

When coaches prove themselves to be 1. Incompetent or 2. Weak, the team loses confidence and emotion to play explosively because they don’t truly believe in what they are doing.

Some guys, the true leaders, can fight through this, but most people aren’t true leaders, they are just ordinary, and that’s ok. The problem comes when leadership is poor.

Think of how the military can turn the vast majority men into disciplined soldiers, even when they are ****birds in the civilian world. They are able to do this because they know most people are followers and will go where they are lead if the leadership is competent.

The same principle applies to football. We expect players to rise to the occasion, but they fall to their training. The military created that saying and it is 100% truth.

Diaz himself shows what good leadership and a decent plan can provide for unit turning araound. He just isn’t ready to lead a team, and may never be.
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So Manny coached a top defense for a couple of years but lost the ability? Stacy Searles couldn’t coach either yet now he’s done a great job with new players at UNC has he not? Do we only say it’s not X’s and O’s It’s the jimmy’s and joe’s when a team is dominant? You can have a great teacher in a class but if you don’t pay attention and study you know what grade you’ll get right
 
NatchaBoy said:
So Manny coached a top defense for a couple of years but lost the ability? Stacy Searles couldn’t coach either yet now he’s done a great job with new players at UNC has he not? Do we only say it’s not X’s and O’s It’s the jimmy’s and joe’s when a team is dominant? You can have a great teacher in a class but if you don’t pay attention and study you know what grade you’ll get right
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Every decent coordinator ain’t head coach material.

You know that don’t you?

We don’t have a teacher.

We have a blind, midget substitute.

The offensive players have checked out because they are in an awful system that breeds failure and can’t adjust. Their coordinators were stubborn and disorganized. Defense knows what they are going to do before they do it.

Losing has become seen as inevitable, so why care? It makes losing hurt less. These boys need they *** kicked and whipped into shape, no doubt. However it will take a REAL LEADER to do it.

You have seen the look in Manny’s eyes when things aren’t going well. I want him to be able to turn this around, but guys with that look in their eye generally can’t.

Hope I’m wrong and an OC saves Manny and gets the team winning and he settles in to the role with renewed fortitude.

One thing about Hurricane coaches is they RARELY reward my optimism.
 
We lost to inferior teams. We were better at every position. Across the board higher ranked, faster, stronger. Previous offensive line coach has done a great job at UNC. He was ridiculed here for not being able to “coach”. So you had a guy and sucked. You say it’s the coach. He leaves and is successful. You bring in a new guy and suck. Is it still coaching?
 
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