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Sanders Tears

HurricanePhilly said:
I've seen takes like "another outspoken young black man being trying to be silenced"

I mean Cam Ward has been about as confident as you can be...and went #1.

Maybe the mix of his dad, his spoiled/Hollywood attitude and the fact that he is just an OK qb showed up when you watched film. He took tons of sacks to avoid incompletions (@JG14 likes this strategy). He's a less talented and less athletic version of Jameis Winston. He will hang around the league long enough to get paid. Its a qb's league so he will have some games that get your attention some seasons with a lot of yards if he does get an opportunity to start. But he is just an Ok qb. What was his "Wow" moment at Colorado...they never pulled some major upset. He never had a career defining game, throw, moment. His dad got more talent in and Colorado became a .respectable program. There are probably 8-10 qb's Sanders similar to Sanders and that is why they consider this qb draft pretty mediocre.
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They were 1-7 against ranked teams at Colorado as well.
 
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The fact that there's a thread on a Canes site about him tells you how big the celebrity factor is in all of this. Does a team want to take a chance at negative publicity should they have to bench him and his father talks to one of the dozens of microphones constantly near him? Is the ROI there?
 
JD08 said:
The fact that there's a thread on a Canes site about him tells you how big the celebrity factor is in all of this. Does a team want to take a chance at negative publicity should they have to bench him and his father talks to one of the dozens of microphones constantly near him? Is the ROI there?
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Based on the article Felonious Monk linked on the first page of this thread, it seems to be a lot more than just that. Check it out if you haven’t yet - it’s a good article and goes into a lot of detail. The scouts also question his talent, arm strength, decision-making, ability to play in a system not tailored to him by his dad, and then the entitlement you mentioned.
 
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ChinstrapCane said:
He won't go past the second round, IMHO. There are several teams who really need a QB, and he has ability that will be hard for teams to pass on.
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Cleveland top of round 2... could possibly pair him with the RB Henderson from OSU with their other 2, they've got a pair of 3's and a 4 to get WR, TE, OL... he could be in a 'good' situation although it's still Cleveland
 
Empirical Cane said:
I was going to bring this up. Fair or not, here is what tbe drop is costing him:


Here's a breakdown of how long NFL rookie contracts are:
• Length for first-round draft picks: Four years, club option for fifth-year
• Length for draft picks in rounds two through seven: Four years, no club option
• Length for undrafted free agents: Three years, no club option
• Can not be extended or have their rookie contract renegotiated by their team until after the conclusion of their third NFL season, regardless of when they were taken in the draft.


Two services have estimated the NFL 2025 draft class pay scale (based on NFL salary cap and other items):

• No. 1: $43.01 million (Spotrac) | $48.84 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 2: $41.12 million (Spotrac) | $46.65 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 3: $39.9 million (Spotrac) | $45.25 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 4: $38.52 million (Spotrac) | $43.66 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 5: $36.09 million (Spotrac) | $40.87 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 6: $31.77 million (Spotrac) | $35.9 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 7: $28.31 million (Spotrac) | $31.91 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 8: $24.86 million (Spotrac) | $27.93 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 9: $24.68 million (Spotrac) | $27.73 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 10: $23.73 million(Spotrac) | $26.64 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 11: $22.26 million (Spotrac) | $24.94 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 12: $20.2 million (Spotrac) | $22.55 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 13: $19.67 million (Spotrac) | $21.96 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 14: $18.81 million (Spotrac) | $20.96 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 15: $18.46 million (Spotrac) | $20.56 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 16: $17.42 million (Spotrac) | $19.37 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 17: $17.08 million (Spotrac) | $18.97 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 18: $16.65 million (Spotrac) | $18.47 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 19: $16.39 million (Spotrac) | $18.17million (Over The Cap)
• No. 20: $16.3 million (Spotrac) | $18.07 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 21: $16.21 million (Spotrac) | $17.97 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 22: $16.04 million (Spotrac) | $17.77 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 23: $15.87 million (Spotrac) | $17.58 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 24: $15.52 million (Spotrac) | $17.18 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 25: $15.35 million (Spotrac) | $16.98 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 26: $15.18 million (Spotrac) | $16.78 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 27: $15.0 million (Spotrac) | $16.58 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 28: $14.92 million (Spotrac) | $16.48 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 29: $14.22 million (Spotrac) | $15.68 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 30: $13.86 million (Spotrac) | $15.26 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 31: $13.55 million (Spotrac) | $14.9 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 32: $13.35 million (Spotrac) | $14.68 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 33: $10.85 million (Spotrac) | $11.8 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 34: $10.77 million (Spotrac) | $11.7 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 35: $10.68 million (Spotrac) | $11.6 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 36: $10.51 million (Spotrac) | $11.4 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 37: $10.44 million (Spotrac) | $11.32 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 38: $10.28 million (Spotrac) | $11.14 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 39: $10.13 million (Spotrac) | $10.96 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 40: $9.99 million (Spotrac) | $10.8 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 41: $9.85 million (Spotrac) | $10.65 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 42: $9.7 million(Spotrac) | $10.47 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 43: $9.56 million (Spotrac) | $10.31 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 44: $9.43 million (Spotrac) | $10.16 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 45: $9.24 million (Spotrac) | $9.94 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 46: $9.04 million (Spotrac) | $9.71 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 47: $8.78 million (Spotrac) | $9.41 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 48: $8.61 million (Spotrac) | $9.21 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 49: $8.43 million (Spotrac) | $9.01 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 50: $8.26 million (Spotrac) | $8.81 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 51: $8.09 million (Spotrac) | $8.61 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 52: $7.91 million (Spotrac) | $8.42 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 53: $7.74 million (Spotrac) | $8.23 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 54: $7.57 million (Spotrac) | $8.02 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 55: $7.4 million (Spotrac) | $7.82 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 56: $7.31 million (Spotrac) | $7.72 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 57: $7.26 million (Spotrac) | $7.66 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 58: $7.17 million (Spotrac) | $7.56 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 59: $7.05 million (Spotrac) | $7.42 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 60: $7.0 million (Spotrac) | $7.36 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 61: $6.99 million (Spotrac) | $7.28 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 62: $6.88 million (Spotrac) | $7.22 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 63: $6.86 million (Spotrac) | $7.2 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 64: $6.83 million (Spotrac) | $7.16 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 65: $6.48 million (Spotrac) | $6.76 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 66: $6.46 million (Spotrac) | $6.74 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 67: $6.46 million (Spotrac) | $6.74 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 68: $6.5 million (Spotrac) | $6.72 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 69: $6.42 million (Spotrac) | $6.7 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 70: $6.4 million (Spotrac) | $6.66 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 71: $6.37 million (Spotrac) | $6.64 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 72: $6.36 million (Spotrac) | $6.62 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 73: $6.33 million (Spotrac) | $6.59 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 74: $6.32 million(Spotrac) | $6.58 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 75: $6.31 million (Spotrac) | $6.56 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 76: $6.26 million (Spotrac) | $6.51 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 77: $6.25 million (Spotrac) | $6.5 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 78: $6.24 million (Spotrac) | $6.49 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 79: $6.22 million (Spotrac) | $6.47 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 80: $6.2 million (Spotrac) | $6.44 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 81: $6.18 million (Spotrac) | $6.42 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 82: $6.17 million (Spotrac) | $6.4 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 83: $6.14 million (Spotrac) | $6.37 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 84: $6.12 million (Spotrac) | $6.35 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 85: $6.11 million (Spotrac) | $6.34 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 86: $6.09 million (Spotrac) | $6.31 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 87: $6.07 million (Spotrac) | $6.29 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 88: $6.06 million (Spotrac) | $6.28 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 89: $6.06 million (Spotrac) | $6.28 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 90: $6.06 million (Spotrac) | $6.28 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 91: $6.06 million (Spotrac) | $6.27 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 92: $6.05 million (Spotrac) | $6.26 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 93: $6.03 million (Spotrac) | $6.25 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 94: $6.01 million (Spotrac) | $6.23 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 95: $6.0 million (Spotrac) | $6.21 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 96: $5.98 million (Spotrac) | $6.19 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 97-102 (Comp): $5.96 million (Spotrac) | $6.16 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 103: $5.16 million (Spotrac) | $5.3 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 104: $5.13 million (Spotrac) | $5.28 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 105: $5.13 million (Spotrac) | $5.27 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 106: $5.13 million (Spotrac) | $5.27 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 107: $5.12 million (Spotrac) | $5.26 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 108: $5.11 million (Spotrac) | $5.25 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 109: $5.11 million (Spotrac) | $5.25 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 110: $5.1 million (Spotrac) | $5.24 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 111: $5.1 million (Spotrac) | $5.24 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 112: $5.09 million(Spotrac) | $5.23 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 113: $5.08 million (Spotrac) | $5.21 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 114: $5.08 million (Spotrac) | $5.21 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 115: $5.07 million (Spotrac) | $5.2 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 116: $5.07 million (Spotrac) | $5.2 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 117: $5.07 million (Spotrac) | $5.2 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 118: $5.07 million (Spotrac) | $5.19 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 119: $5.05 million (Spotrac) | $5.18 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 120: $5.04 million (Spotrac) | $5.17 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 121: $5.04 million (Spotrac) | $5.16 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 122: $5.03 million (Spotrac) | $5.16 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 123: $5.03 million (Spotrac) | $5.15 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 124: $5.02 million (Spotrac) | $5.14 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 125: $5.01 million (Spotrac) | $5.13 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 126: $5.01 million (Spotrac) | $5.13 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 127: $5.0 million (Spotrac) | $5.12 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 128: $4.99 million (Spotrac) | $5.11 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 129: $4.98 million (Spotrac) | $5.1 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 130: $4.98 million (Spotrac) | $5.1 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 131: $4.97 million (Spotrac) | $5.09 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 132: $4.96 million (Spotrac) | $5.08 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 133: $4.95 million (Spotrac) | $5.07 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 134: $4.94 million (Spotrac) | $5.05 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 135-138 (Comp): $4.78 million (Spotrac) | $4.87 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 139: $4.61 million (Spotrac) | $4.68 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 140: $4.61 million (Spotrac) | $4.67 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 141: $4.61 million (Spotrac) | $4.67 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 142: $4.61 million (Spotrac) | $4.67 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 143: $4.6 million (Spotrac) | $4.66 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 144: $4.59 million (Spotrac) | $4.65 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 145: $4.59 million (Spotrac) | $4.64 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 146: $4.58 million (Spotrac) | $4.64 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 147: $4.58 million (Spotrac) | $4.64 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 148: $4.58 million(Spotrac) | $4.64 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 149: $4.57 million (Spotrac) | $4.63 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 150: $4.57 million (Spotrac) | $4.63 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 151: $4.57 million (Spotrac) | $4.62 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 152: $4.57 million (Spotrac) | $4.62 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 153: $4.57 million (Spotrac) | $4.62 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 154: $4.56 million (Spotrac) | $4.62 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 155: $4.56 million (Spotrac) | $4.61 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 156: $4.56 million (Spotrac) | $4.61 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 157: $4.56 million (Spotrac) | $4.61 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 158: $4.55 million (Spotrac) | $4.61 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 159: $4.55 million (Spotrac) | $4.6 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 160: $4.55 million (Spotrac) | $4.6 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 161: $4.54 million (Spotrac) | $4.6 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 162: $4.54 million (Spotrac) | $4.59 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 163: $4.54 million (Spotrac) | $4.59 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 164: $4.53 million (Spotrac) | $4.58 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 165: $4.52 million (Spotrac) | $4.57 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 166: $4.52 million (Spotrac) | $4.57million (Over The Cap)
• No. 167: $4.51 million (Spotrac) | $4.56 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 168: $4.5 million (Spotrac) | $4.56 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 169-176 (Comp): $4.48 million (Spotrac) | $4.52 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 177: $4.45 million (Spotrac) | $4.49 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 178: $4.44 million (Spotrac) | $4.48 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 179: $4.44 million (Spotrac) | $4.47 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 180: $4.43 million (Spotrac) | $4.47 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 181: $4.43 million (Spotrac) | $4.47 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 182: $4.42 million (Spotrac) | $4.46 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 183: $4.42 million (Spotrac) | $4.45 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 184: $4.42 million (Spotrac) | $4.45 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 185: $4.42 million (Spotrac) | $4.45 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 186: $4.41 million(Spotrac) | $4.44 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 187: $4.41 million (Spotrac) | $4.44 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 188: $4.41 million (Spotrac) | $4.44 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 189: $4.4 million (Spotrac) | $4.44 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 190: $4.4 million (Spotrac) | $4.43 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 191: $4.4 million (Spotrac) | $4.43 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 192: $4.4 million (Spotrac) | $4.43 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 193: $4.4 million (Spotrac) | $4.43 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 194: $4.4 million (Spotrac) | $4.43 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 195: $4.4 million (Spotrac) | $4.43 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 196: $4.4 million (Spotrac) | $4.43 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 197: $4.4 million (Spotrac) | $4.43 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 198: $4.4 million (Spotrac) | $4.43 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 199: $4.4 million (Spotrac) | $4.43 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 200: $4.39 million (Spotrac) | $4.42 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 201: $4.39 million (Spotrac) | $4.42 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 202: $4.39 million (Spotrac) | $4.42 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 203: $4.39 million (Spotrac) | $4.41 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 204: $4.39 million (Spotrac) | $4.41 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 205: $4.38 million (Spotrac) | $4.41 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 206: $4.38 million (Spotrac) | $4.4 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 207: $4.37 million (Spotrac) | $4.4 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 208: $4.37 million (Spotrac) | $4.4 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 209-2016 (Comp): $4.35 million (Spotrac) | $4.37 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 217: $4.33 million (Spotrac) | $4.35 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 218: $4.33 million (Spotrac) | $4.35 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 219: $4.33 million (Spotrac) | $4.35 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 220: $4.33 million (Spotrac) | $4.35 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 221: $4.33 million (Spotrac) | $4.34 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 222: $4.32 million (Spotrac) | $4.34 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 223: $4.32 million (Spotrac) | $4.34 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 224: $4.32 million (Spotrac) | $4.34 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 225: $4.32 million (Spotrac) | $4.34 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 226: $4.32 million(Spotrac) | $4.34 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 227: $4.32 million (Spotrac) | $4.33 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 228: $4.32 million (Spotrac) | $4.33 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 229: $4.32 million (Spotrac) | $4.33 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 230: $4.31 million (Spotrac) | $4.33 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 231: $4.31 million (Spotrac) | $4.33 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 232: $4.31 million (Spotrac) | $4.33 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 233: $4.31 million (Spotrac) | $4.33 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 234: $4.31 million (Spotrac) | $4.33 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 235: $4.31 million (Spotrac) | $4.32 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 236: $4.3 million (Spotrac) | $4.32 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 237: $4.3 million (Spotrac) | $4.31 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 238: $4.3 million (Spotrac) | $4.31 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 239: $4.3 million (Spotrac) | $4.31 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 240: $4.3 million (Spotrac) | $4.31 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 241: $4.3 million (Spotrac) | $4.31 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 242: $4.29 million (Spotrac) | $4.31 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 243: $4.29 million (Spotrac) | $4.31 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 244: $4.29 million (Spotrac) | $4.31 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 245: $4.29 million (Spotrac) | $4.31 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 246: $4.29 million (Spotrac) | $4.3 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 247: $4.29 million (Spotrac) | $4.3 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 248: $4.29 million (Spotrac) | $4.3 million (Over The Cap)
• No. 249-257 (Comp): $4.29 million (Spotrac) | $4.3 million (Over The Cap)
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You type all this?
 
Empirical Cane said:
When does the "best QB in the 2025 draft class" get selected?
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The thing about the NFL draft is, your true self will show based on when you’re picked. At that level, no matter how much BS propaganda is behind you, your strengths and weaknesses will show! Sanders has a weak arm and no athleticism. He’s smart between the years, I’ll give him that but at the NFL level, you have to be able to make the throws or escape the pocket and those are two things he is not gifted at. I can see him falling to the third round.
 
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Felonious Monk said:
Quite honestly, I think he did more to harm Shedeur than help. Whose idea do you think this was?

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I think Deion did more to hurt than help Shadeur throughout his entire career. He’s been his coach since high school, and hasn’t ever even put Shadeur through a quarterback competition for the starting job. To me, that’s a huge risk if I am looking for my next franchise QB. There is zero evidence yet that the kid can lead a team or compete. Maybe he can, we just don’t know yet.
 
caneingville said:
Based on the article Felonious Monk linked on the first page of this thread, it seems to be a lot more than just that. Check it out if you haven’t yet - it’s a good article and goes into a lot of detail. The scouts also question his talent, arm strength, decision-making, ability to play in a system not tailored to him by his dad, and then the entitlement you mentioned.
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He would have been better served by being developed by someone who wasn't his father. Someone who could objectively see his weaknesses and help him address them would have been better than someone who adjusted the system to account for them.
 
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