Safety Notes against UF

[LuCane]

For anyone who doesn't like meticulous details of football, this thread may not be for you. It's basically a compilation of notes from watching and 2X re-watching the game. I do this for almost every game. Helps me calm down from losses. Not going to write out all the notes for each play. Will keep it to mostly Safety play.

Anyway, I never post D notes because Lance Roffers does a better image and video-based review. However, yesterday another poster on our board whose football opinions I think are helpful to the board graded out our Safeties as "really bad." It caught my eye because my notes didn't tell me "really bad." But, definitions may be different.

So, I watched everything again with my notes in hand. I had previously called our Safety play against UF average. I'll basically stick with average or good enough. Can it be better? Of course. Would an accurate QB have sliced us up more? Most likely, as I usually say that before most games, unless we make big changes to the zone blitz schemes. I saw some guys who, when combined with Bolden's range, should be a nice group by midseason.

Here ya go:

1. Amari possible misstep
2. Hall didn't fill hard enough
3. All clean
4. Hall slight delay, duo missed Tackle Hall and Carter, what, bad bad bad TD Gators
5. Measured fill, but keeping contain and Carter later fills
6. Run play cleared up prior to Safety (no consequence)
7. Bandy beat to edge on run, No Safety consequence
8. Strong pattern recognition by Hall on inside route, absolute bull**** PI call on Finley redirecting (?) WR or hand-fighting later
9. Frierson TFL on toss, excellent block slip, Knowles blitzed (no consequence)
10. Franks scramble, Rousseau tremendous move on G, Hall sat too long in stance (no consequence) during exchange of responsibilities
11. 3rd and 6, weird 4WR bunch to sideline, alternating quick ins, Hall a half tick cautious but great athleticism and recovery, Carter off ball, both close for tackle short of first. Solid enough
12. Trips right, Carter possibly too deep in interest of caution, fills on 4th and 1 and too late for 3 yard gain
13. RB breaks front 7 tackle, Safeties no consequence
14. RB tackled in front 7, Safeties no consequence
15. RB in flat, Safeties no consequence
16. Fumble, Safeties no consequence
17. Late motion, Carter rolls, Knowles reads key, fills nicely despite eye candy
18. Fumble on wide toss, Safeties no consequence
19. Hall slightly delayed blitz in tandem with Shaq, Franks barely gets it off, shocked if don't see this later in game and this season
20. Carter takes on block well, stops run for 2
21. Hall deep Safety blitz (i mostly hate these) on 3rd and 3, Franks horrendous read short of sticks, incomplete
22. Deep Safeties at end of half, throw underneath, Safeties no consequence
23. Deep Safeties at end of half, throw underneath, Safeties no consequence
24. Deep Safeties at end of half, run play opposite trips, Safeties no consequence
25. Hall weird blitz (?), no safety consequence on crossing route
26. Carter up, no Safety consequence
27. 2 Safeties deep, Carter rolls to boundary, run play no Safety consequence
28. 15 yard deep Carter on boundary hash (yikes for inside WR coverage), Carter not out of break quickly enough from Hash, corner blitz from Blades, pass completed in front of Carter - reminder to look at Redwine tape on similar plays in 18
29. Hall steps aggressively toward run action, Carter playing deeper, both combine for tackle in alley after RB breaks through for 11 yards, maybe 2 yards more than he should have gotten
30. Hall steps up aggressively and got turned around by Play Action (look for later, but no consequence here). Al Blades great technique. PI, **** these people, What a bad ******* call. Damnit.
31. Carter deep middle, run blitz w/ Hall, very good fill on Jon Ford combination TFL
32. Finley good TFL, Carter/Hall no consequence on deeper coverage
33. Carter rolling with motion, 5 WR, Knowles deep, pass short in front of Bandy, 4th down
34. 4WR bull**** bunch, Carter holding boundary hash, no consequence
35. Hall dropping, Carter rolling and keying motion, run for no gain. This motion is a setup (look out)
36. 3rd and 5, great break on inside WR by Frierson for PBU, Safeties deep no consequence
37. 5WR, 4th and 5, good key and pattern recognition by Hall again, Gators attack Shaq who's reading QB eyes and loses WR instead of matching up, holy **** false start
38. 2 Safeties deep, unnecessary CB blitz from boundary again, no chance for Hall playing field side hash to get over on Gator TE running seam 6 yards outside of boundary Hash, where Carter had to pick up sideline route. Good call by Gator against a poorly timed or predictable CB blitz from boundary.
39. Hall assertive to hurry Franks into throwing away
40. Safeties roll with motion to boundary, no consequence, Shaq great breakdown in space against RB
41. Safeties 7 yards deep, weird QB run call or confusion, Franks tackled at line, big 3rd down stop
42. Trips left, pass to bandy's WR, safeties no consequence
43. Trips left, Knowles inside field hash slightly flat footed
44. Trips left, Safeties hugging hashes, incomplete pass, no consequence
45. Substitution some confusion, weren't set, Hall mediocre angle to sidelines on WR screen, stopped in front of marker though, 3rd down stop
46. Franks flushed on PA, incomplete, no safety consequence, Carter may have stepped forward more aggressively than he'd want
47. Safeties on hashes, Hall fills in control for about a 3 yard gain, solid enough
48. Carter at line, Pinck oversteps outside of TE, Perrine leverage, ****, TD gators
49. Carter deep on boundary, Hall medium peeking run, fills, no consequence
50. Hall deep on left boundary, trips right, Hall on field hash at 7ish, Hall gets lost on communication or exchange with LB, two gators run free down field hash, Franks throws a pure **** pass because of some pressure in face, Carter INT cleanup off tipped ball
51. Ball in middle of field, hall playing run steps up, Carter playing opposite hash, gives deep help to both vertical routes, Frierson beaten out of slot, big split between vertical routes, wtf, Carter splitting 30 yards of parallel vertical routes, waits till ball is thrown to break to Frierson's WR, too late, coverage breakdown?, good throw, ****
52. 1st down after bomb, good tackle by Blades
53. Hall field hash, protective step inside, TE motion, pass to flat/bubble, 3 on 3 on edge, Hall gets mixed up with Pinck's blocker, not good pursuit angle, TE gets upfield, ****
54. Franks run, slightly late fill by Carter, Bandy too deep in middle of field, damnit, TD Gators
55. 4WR bull**** again, decent read/cutoff by Carter, both Safeties over, holy **** what a bad throw by Franks, INT

Ups and downs. New guys out there. My expectations weren't sky high for Game 1, but still are for a guy like Hall who was tentative at times. All stuff that can and should be cleaned up.

 

[skeeter]

great stuff, tx

 

[Mico Jones]

Didn’t read.

Hall will be fine it’s about experience with him.

Carter has limited range.

Hope Smith or Bolden step into the role

 

[skyman]

@LuCane

How would you grade each safety? Carter gave up some big plays..

Also felt like communication was bad on some plays, On Carter INT, Hall is on slot, there seems to be a check between Corner and safeties but Hall isnt even paying attention, then just kinda stands there while 2 WR run up seam wide open..

I noticed Baker also talked about this in interview and if not for bad throw it could have been big play.. Air raid coming up next..

 

[Papo]

Tell you what brothers, I kept an eye on Knowles when he was in the game and he did a decent job. Kudos to the man.

Thanks for your breakdown LuCane.

 

[BeastMode]

Who was the safety on the play frierson got beat deep? Baker said we should have had a safety over the top.

 

[LuCane]

@LuCane

How would you grade each safety? Carter gave up some big plays..

Also felt like communication was bad on some plays, On Carter INT, Hall is on slot, there seems to be a check between Corner and safeties but Hall isnt even paying attention, then just kinda stands there while 2 WR run up seam wide open..

I noticed Baker also talked about this in interview and if not for bad throw it could have been big play.. Air raid coming up next..

I'm not sure in terms of grades. Like I said, based on lowered expectations from 2 senior Safeties, I thought our guys were "good enough."

As for the play you reference, it's #50. Exchange breakdown between Hall and a LB. That type of stuff worries me less because we got away with it and it's Hall's 1st start.

 

[LuCane]

Who was the safety on the play frierson got beat deep? Baker said we should have had a safety over the top.

It's play #51. I'm not sure if the confusion stemmed from the ball being in the middle of the field instead of toward the Hash. It was a good call by the Gators with two deep vertical routes splitting Carter on one hash and Hall had sat down while key'ing the run. So the vertical route went right over the top of Hall and it'd have been really tough for Carter to cover 30 yards of parallel vertical routes - especially with some range limitations.

 

[zlink123]

Who was the safety on the play frierson got beat deep? Baker said we should have had a safety over the top.

carter

 

[Empirical Cane]

For anyone who doesn't like meticulous details of football, this thread may not be for you. It's basically a compilation of notes from watching and 2X re-watching the game. I do this for almost every game. Helps me calm down from losses. Not going to write out all the notes for each play. Will keep it to mostly Safety play.

Anyway, I never post D notes because @lance Roffer9s does a better image and video-based review. However, yesterday another poster on our board whose football opinions I think are helpful to the board graded out our Safeties as "really bad." It caught my eye because my notes didn't tell me "really bad." But, definitions may be different.

So, I watched everything again with my notes in hand. I had previously called our Safety play against UF average. I'll basically stick with average or good enough. Can it be better? Of course. Would an accurate QB have sliced us up more? Most likely, as I usually say that before most games, unless we make big changes to the zone blitz schemes. I saw some guys who, when combined with Bolden's range, should be a nice group by midseason.

Here ya go:

1. Amari possible misstep
2. Hall didn't fill hard enough
3. All clean
4. Hall slight delay, duo missed Tackle Hall and Carter, what, bad bad bad TD Gators
5. Measured fill, but keeping contain and Carter later fills
6. Run play cleared up prior to Safety (no consequence)
7. Bandy beat to edge on run, No Safety consequence
8. Strong pattern recognition by Hall on inside route, absolute bull**** PI call on Finley redirecting (?) WR or hand-fighting later
9. Frierson TFL on toss, excellent block slip, Knowles blitzed (no consequence)
10. Franks scramble, Rousseau tremendous move on G, Hall sat too long in stance (no consequence) during exchange of responsibilities
11. 3rd and 6, weird 4WR bunch to sideline, alternating quick ins, Hall a half tick cautious but great athleticism and recovery, Carter off ball, both close for tackle short of first. Solid enough
12. Trips right, Carter possibly too deep in interest of caution, fills on 4th and 1 and too late for 3 yard gain
13. RB breaks front 7 tackle, Safeties no consequence
14. RB tackled in front 7, Safeties no consequence
15. RB in flat, Safeties no consequence
16. Fumble, Safeties no consequence
17. Late motion, Carter rolls, Knowles reads key, fills nicely despite eye candy
18. Fumble on wide toss, Safeties no consequence
19. Hall slightly delayed blitz in tandem with Shaq, Franks barely gets it off, shocked if don't see this later in game and this season
20. Carter takes on block well, stops run for 2
21. Hall deep Safety blitz (i mostly hate these) on 3rd and 3, Franks horrendous read short of sticks, incomplete
22. Deep Safeties at end of half, throw underneath, Safeties no consequence
23. Deep Safeties at end of half, throw underneath, Safeties no consequence
24. Deep Safeties at end of half, run play opposite trips, Safeties no consequence
25. Hall weird blitz (?), no safety consequence on crossing route
26. Carter up, no Safety consequence
27. 2 Safeties deep, Carter rolls to boundary, run play no Safety consequence
28. 15 yard deep Carter on boundary hash (yikes for inside WR coverage), Carter not out of break quickly enough from Hash, corner blitz from Blades, pass completed in front of Carter - reminder to look at Redwine tape on similar plays in 18
29. Hall steps aggressively toward run action, Carter playing deeper, both combine for tackle in alley after RB breaks through for 11 yards, maybe 2 yards more than he should have gotten
30. Hall steps up aggressively and got turned around by Play Action (look for later, but no consequence here). Al Blades great technique. PI, **** these people, What a bad ******* call. Damnit.
31. Carter deep middle, run blitz w/ Hall, very good fill on Jon Ford combination TFL
32. Finley good TFL, Carter/Hall no consequence on deeper coverage
33. Carter rolling with motion, 5 WR, Knowles deep, pass short in front of Bandy, 4th down
34. 4WR bull**** bunch, Carter holding boundary hash, no consequence
35. Hall dropping, Carter rolling and keying motion, run for no gain. This motion is a setup (look out)
36. 3rd and 5, great break on inside WR by Frierson for PBU, Safeties deep no consequence
37. 5WR, 4th and 5, good key and pattern recognition by Hall again, Gators attack Shaq who's reading QB eyes and loses WR instead of matching up, holy **** false start
38. 2 Safeties deep, unnecessary CB blitz from boundary again, no chance for Hall playing field side hash to get over on Gator TE running seam 6 yards outside of boundary Hash, where Carter had to pick up sideline route. Good call by Gator against a poorly timed or predictable CB blitz from boundary.
39. Hall assertive to hurry Franks into throwing away
40. Safeties roll with motion to boundary, no consequence, Shaq great breakdown in space against RB
41. Safeties 7 yards deep, weird QB run call or confusion, Franks tackled at line, big 3rd down stop
42. Trips left, pass to bandy's WR, safeties no consequence
43. Trips left, Knowles inside field hash slightly flat footed
44. Trips left, Safeties hugging hashes, incomplete pass, no consequence
45. Substitution some confusion, weren't set, Hall mediocre angle to sidelines on WR screen, stopped in front of marker though, 3rd down stop
46. Franks flushed on PA, incomplete, no safety consequence, Carter may have stepped forward more aggressively than he'd want
47. Safeties on hashes, Hall fills in control for about a 3 yard gain, solid enough
48. Carter at line, Pinck oversteps outside of TE, Perrine leverage, ****, TD gators
49. Carter deep on boundary, Hall medium peeking run, fills, no consequence
50. Hall deep on left boundary, trips right, Hall on field hash at 7ish, Hall gets lost on communication or exchange with LB, two gators run free down field hash, Franks throws a pure **** pass because of some pressure in face, Carter INT cleanup off tipped ball
51. Ball in middle of field, hall playing run steps up, Carter playing opposite hash, gives deep help to both vertical routes, Frierson beaten out of slot, big split between vertical routes, wtf, Carter splitting 30 yards of parallel vertical routes, waits till ball is thrown to break to Frierson's WR, too late, coverage breakdown?, good throw, ****
52. 1st down after bomb, good tackle by Blades
53. Hall field hash, protective step inside, TE motion, pass to flat/bubble, 3 on 3 on edge, Hall gets mixed up with Pinck's blocker, not good pursuit angle, TE gets upfield, ****
54. Franks run, slightly late fill by Carter, Bandy too deep in middle of field, damnit, TD Gators
55. 4WR bull**** again, decent read/cutoff by Carter, both Safeties over, holy **** what a bad throw by Franks, INT

Ups and downs. New guys out there. My expectations weren't sky high for Game 1, but still are for a guy like Hall who was tentative at times. All stuff that can and should be cleaned up.

LU...

As always appreciate the write-up.

With that said, did you (could you?) account for the "human factor". What I mean is it is easy to watch tape for all of us knowing what the right decision should have been, a touch harder in the moment for an athlete to take in all the information coming at him, process it, and then react/act towards the ideal outcome.

Think Airbus (not shown in movie) and FAA's simulations of US Airways Flt 1549 in "Sully".

Every sim run made La Guardia IF the turn occurred the instant the geese flamed out both jets--but that isn't what you do in real life. You Observe, Orient, Decide, Act. That often takes precious seconds.

Like so much in life, the perfect outcome only comes with an instant decision.

With that said, what was the biggest theme the safety position needs to clean up? Assignment discipline? Run headlong to "where theybare supposed to be" and trust the other 10 are doing tje same?

For me I think its more the former.

 

[g8rh8rMD]

For anyone who doesn't like meticulous details of football, this thread may not be for you. It's basically a compilation of notes from watching and 2X re-watching the game. I do this for almost every game. Helps me calm down from losses. Not going to write out all the notes for each play. Will keep it to mostly Safety play.

Anyway, I never post D notes because Lance Roffers does a better image and video-based review. However, yesterday another poster on our board whose football opinions I think are helpful to the board graded out our Safeties as "really bad." It caught my eye because my notes didn't tell me "really bad." But, definitions may be different.

So, I watched everything again with my notes in hand. I had previously called our Safety play against UF average. I'll basically stick with average or good enough. Can it be better? Of course. Would an accurate QB have sliced us up more? Most likely, as I usually say that before most games, unless we make big changes to the zone blitz schemes. I saw some guys who, when combined with Bolden's range, should be a nice group by midseason.

Here ya go:

1. Amari possible misstep
2. Hall didn't fill hard enough
3. All clean
4. Hall slight delay, duo missed Tackle Hall and Carter, what, bad bad bad TD Gators
5. Measured fill, but keeping contain and Carter later fills
6. Run play cleared up prior to Safety (no consequence)
7. Bandy beat to edge on run, No Safety consequence
8. Strong pattern recognition by Hall on inside route, absolute bull**** PI call on Finley redirecting (?) WR or hand-fighting later
9. Frierson TFL on toss, excellent block slip, Knowles blitzed (no consequence)
10. Franks scramble, Rousseau tremendous move on G, Hall sat too long in stance (no consequence) during exchange of responsibilities
11. 3rd and 6, weird 4WR bunch to sideline, alternating quick ins, Hall a half tick cautious but great athleticism and recovery, Carter off ball, both close for tackle short of first. Solid enough
12. Trips right, Carter possibly too deep in interest of caution, fills on 4th and 1 and too late for 3 yard gain
13. RB breaks front 7 tackle, Safeties no consequence
14. RB tackled in front 7, Safeties no consequence
15. RB in flat, Safeties no consequence
16. Fumble, Safeties no consequence
17. Late motion, Carter rolls, Knowles reads key, fills nicely despite eye candy
18. Fumble on wide toss, Safeties no consequence
19. Hall slightly delayed blitz in tandem with Shaq, Franks barely gets it off, shocked if don't see this later in game and this season
20. Carter takes on block well, stops run for 2
21. Hall deep Safety blitz (i mostly hate these) on 3rd and 3, Franks horrendous read short of sticks, incomplete
22. Deep Safeties at end of half, throw underneath, Safeties no consequence
23. Deep Safeties at end of half, throw underneath, Safeties no consequence
24. Deep Safeties at end of half, run play opposite trips, Safeties no consequence
25. Hall weird blitz (?), no safety consequence on crossing route
26. Carter up, no Safety consequence
27. 2 Safeties deep, Carter rolls to boundary, run play no Safety consequence
28. 15 yard deep Carter on boundary hash (yikes for inside WR coverage), Carter not out of break quickly enough from Hash, corner blitz from Blades, pass completed in front of Carter - reminder to look at Redwine tape on similar plays in 18
29. Hall steps aggressively toward run action, Carter playing deeper, both combine for tackle in alley after RB breaks through for 11 yards, maybe 2 yards more than he should have gotten
30. Hall steps up aggressively and got turned around by Play Action (look for later, but no consequence here). Al Blades great technique. PI, **** these people, What a bad ******* call. Damnit.
31. Carter deep middle, run blitz w/ Hall, very good fill on Jon Ford combination TFL
32. Finley good TFL, Carter/Hall no consequence on deeper coverage
33. Carter rolling with motion, 5 WR, Knowles deep, pass short in front of Bandy, 4th down
34. 4WR bull**** bunch, Carter holding boundary hash, no consequence
35. Hall dropping, Carter rolling and keying motion, run for no gain. This motion is a setup (look out)
36. 3rd and 5, great break on inside WR by Frierson for PBU, Safeties deep no consequence
37. 5WR, 4th and 5, good key and pattern recognition by Hall again, Gators attack Shaq who's reading QB eyes and loses WR instead of matching up, holy **** false start
38. 2 Safeties deep, unnecessary CB blitz from boundary again, no chance for Hall playing field side hash to get over on Gator TE running seam 6 yards outside of boundary Hash, where Carter had to pick up sideline route. Good call by Gator against a poorly timed or predictable CB blitz from boundary.
39. Hall assertive to hurry Franks into throwing away
40. Safeties roll with motion to boundary, no consequence, Shaq great breakdown in space against RB
41. Safeties 7 yards deep, weird QB run call or confusion, Franks tackled at line, big 3rd down stop
42. Trips left, pass to bandy's WR, safeties no consequence
43. Trips left, Knowles inside field hash slightly flat footed
44. Trips left, Safeties hugging hashes, incomplete pass, no consequence
45. Substitution some confusion, weren't set, Hall mediocre angle to sidelines on WR screen, stopped in front of marker though, 3rd down stop
46. Franks flushed on PA, incomplete, no safety consequence, Carter may have stepped forward more aggressively than he'd want
47. Safeties on hashes, Hall fills in control for about a 3 yard gain, solid enough
48. Carter at line, Pinck oversteps outside of TE, Perrine leverage, ****, TD gators
49. Carter deep on boundary, Hall medium peeking run, fills, no consequence
50. Hall deep on left boundary, trips right, Hall on field hash at 7ish, Hall gets lost on communication or exchange with LB, two gators run free down field hash, Franks throws a pure **** pass because of some pressure in face, Carter INT cleanup off tipped ball
51. Ball in middle of field, hall playing run steps up, Carter playing opposite hash, gives deep help to both vertical routes, Frierson beaten out of slot, big split between vertical routes, wtf, Carter splitting 30 yards of parallel vertical routes, waits till ball is thrown to break to Frierson's WR, too late, coverage breakdown?, good throw, ****
52. 1st down after bomb, good tackle by Blades
53. Hall field hash, protective step inside, TE motion, pass to flat/bubble, 3 on 3 on edge, Hall gets mixed up with Pinck's blocker, not good pursuit angle, TE gets upfield, ****
54. Franks run, slightly late fill by Carter, Bandy too deep in middle of field, damnit, TD Gators
55. 4WR bull**** again, decent read/cutoff by Carter, both Safeties over, holy **** what a bad throw by Franks, INT

Ups and downs. New guys out there. My expectations weren't sky high for Game 1, but still are for a guy like Hall who was tentative at times. All stuff that can and should be cleaned up.

You are a treasure to this site. Thank you.

 

[Koke]

How much of this falls on Banda? Some of the angles our safeties were taking were really terrible.

 

[LuCane]

How much of this falls on Banda? Some of the angles our safeties were taking were really terrible.

I don't know. People have more issues with Banda than I think are reasonable. Some seem personal more than objective. There were certainly issues in the UF game. They're listed up there out of the 55 plays. They came from a S who seems at his best closer to the box and from a guy who was as green as could be for that stage.

How much of it is game experience and comfort from Hall? Or, simply the inability to cover a WR on an out by Carter? I've said before fans judging position coaches is wildly subjective. Outside of some really obvious stuff, bunch of people who don't watch practice every day nor get to hear the playcall can only opine so much. Easier to judge a coordinator, I think.

Let's see how the Safeties settle in by October. Redwine made a big leap in perceived comfort his first half of season at Safety. And, that was a dude who had played a lot already. Hall mostly sat on his *** last season as a True Frosh. Those pauses and hesitations are mixed in with really assertive plays, too.

So I'm optimistic. Now, If we continue to f up LB/S exchanges, have continuously poor pursuit angles or blow coverages peeking into the backfield, there's something more to talk about in terms of a position coach.

 

[Lance Roffers]

Agreed with your thoughts after breaking the game down. Hall struggled and was hesitant, but the potential is there to be very good. Carter made some plays, gave some plays.

Bolden is a different type of player, but he has the range to play single-high sometimes and I just don't see that from Carter, personally. Give Carter credit, he finished a difficult play (interception) and the difference between that and a pass breakup is immense.

 

[LuCane]

Agreed with your thoughts after breaking the game down. Hall struggled and was hesitant, but the potential is there to be very good. Carter made some plays, gave some plays.

Bolden is a different type of player, but he has the range to play single-high sometimes and I just don't see that from Carter, personally. Give Carter credit, he finished a difficult play (interception) and the difference between that and a pass breakup is immense.

I just commented on your thread on that bomb play. Great breakdown, as usual.

On that bomb, tough play for Carter, especially, but perhaps for anyone because of the weird player alignment and ball placement. Overall, the things to cleanup are doable, I think. I have more hope for positive Safety play than I had before the season started - coming off losing two senior NFL guys. I was constantly asking about Safeties because I was worried about different vulnerabilities. I'm still concerned, but maybe because my expectations were low, I think we'll be relatively ok. Here are the pics of the bomb play - including alignment and how Carter held his drop to the very end. Tough, tough play with about 100 feet between vertical routes.

Amari lined up on left hash despite ball in middle of field. Hall will bite down on run action.

Carter is STILL outside of the left hash protecting Blades vertical route, Frierson is already beaten inside (which began a few yards outside the right hash), and Franks is bout to release a ball that doesn't hang.

With the way Franks threw this ball, the unusual timing he had with his WR this time, and 40' between college hash marks (Carter is still outside his), we'd have needed a CF either better aligned or with plus range back there closing those 14 or so yards between deep Safety and that Gator slot.

 

[Nomadiccane]

I'm not sure in terms of grades. Like I said, based on lowered expectations from 2 senior Safeties, I thought our guys were "good enough."

As for the play you reference, it's #50. Exchange breakdown between Hall and a LB. That type of stuff worries me less because we got away with it and it's Hall's 1st start.

Got to disagree with this. I’m not from FL so I haven’t seen Hall/Carter live (except at UM). But if Hall is everything y’all say and begged for 26 because he and others think he can be that type of player, he needs to bring it. Period. He played very cautious which to me shows he was unsure of himself and/or assignment. Understandably didn’t want to give up the big play but definitely lowered his aggression. Gotta see more from him next game

 

[LuCane]

Got to disagree with this. I’m not from FL so I haven’t seen Hall/Carter live (except at UM). But if Hall is everything y’all say and begged for 26 because he and others think he can be that type of player, he needs to bring it. Period. He played very cautious which to me shows he was unsure of himself and/or assignment. Understandably didn’t want to give up the big play but definitely lowered his aggression. Gotta see more from him next game

First game. Big stage. You're not wrong. More is expected of him. I think he'll rise to it. If I didn't see any assertive plays, or complete lack of recognition on patterns, or issues out of his breaks, I'd tell you we have some long-term issues. I saw tentativeness from a guy who didn't want to **** up some plays. Which, unfortunately, tends to lead to **** ups.

In that way, Banda should have definitely seen or have been told by someone in the booth about some of the early hesitation (it's in the notes on early plays) and rooted it out by the end of the game. We'll see against UNC. To call myself out, I've been really high on Hall, so maybe I lowered my expectations to give him leeway out of my own bias.

 

[MRMAC1]

For anyone who doesn't like meticulous details of football, this thread may not be for you. It's basically a compilation of notes from watching and 2X re-watching the game. I do this for almost every game. Helps me calm down from losses. Not going to write out all the notes for each play. Will keep it to mostly Safety play.

Anyway, I never post D notes because Lance Roffers does a better image and video-based review. However, yesterday another poster on our board whose football opinions I think are helpful to the board graded out our Safeties as "really bad." It caught my eye because my notes didn't tell me "really bad." But, definitions may be different.

So, I watched everything again with my notes in hand. I had previously called our Safety play against UF average. I'll basically stick with average or good enough. Can it be better? Of course. Would an accurate QB have sliced us up more? Most likely, as I usually say that before most games, unless we make big changes to the zone blitz schemes. I saw some guys who, when combined with Bolden's range, should be a nice group by midseason.

Here ya go:

1. Amari possible misstep
2. Hall didn't fill hard enough
3. All clean
4. Hall slight delay, duo missed Tackle Hall and Carter, what, bad bad bad TD Gators
5. Measured fill, but keeping contain and Carter later fills
6. Run play cleared up prior to Safety (no consequence)
7. Bandy beat to edge on run, No Safety consequence
8. Strong pattern recognition by Hall on inside route, absolute bull**** PI call on Finley redirecting (?) WR or hand-fighting later
9. Frierson TFL on toss, excellent block slip, Knowles blitzed (no consequence)
10. Franks scramble, Rousseau tremendous move on G, Hall sat too long in stance (no consequence) during exchange of responsibilities
11. 3rd and 6, weird 4WR bunch to sideline, alternating quick ins, Hall a half tick cautious but great athleticism and recovery, Carter off ball, both close for tackle short of first. Solid enough
12. Trips right, Carter possibly too deep in interest of caution, fills on 4th and 1 and too late for 3 yard gain
13. RB breaks front 7 tackle, Safeties no consequence
14. RB tackled in front 7, Safeties no consequence
15. RB in flat, Safeties no consequence
16. Fumble, Safeties no consequence
17. Late motion, Carter rolls, Knowles reads key, fills nicely despite eye candy
18. Fumble on wide toss, Safeties no consequence
19. Hall slightly delayed blitz in tandem with Shaq, Franks barely gets it off, shocked if don't see this later in game and this season
20. Carter takes on block well, stops run for 2
21. Hall deep Safety blitz (i mostly hate these) on 3rd and 3, Franks horrendous read short of sticks, incomplete
22. Deep Safeties at end of half, throw underneath, Safeties no consequence
23. Deep Safeties at end of half, throw underneath, Safeties no consequence
24. Deep Safeties at end of half, run play opposite trips, Safeties no consequence
25. Hall weird blitz (?), no safety consequence on crossing route
26. Carter up, no Safety consequence
27. 2 Safeties deep, Carter rolls to boundary, run play no Safety consequence
28. 15 yard deep Carter on boundary hash (yikes for inside WR coverage), Carter not out of break quickly enough from Hash, corner blitz from Blades, pass completed in front of Carter - reminder to look at Redwine tape on similar plays in 18
29. Hall steps aggressively toward run action, Carter playing deeper, both combine for tackle in alley after RB breaks through for 11 yards, maybe 2 yards more than he should have gotten
30. Hall steps up aggressively and got turned around by Play Action (look for later, but no consequence here). Al Blades great technique. PI, **** these people, What a bad ******* call. Damnit.
31. Carter deep middle, run blitz w/ Hall, very good fill on Jon Ford combination TFL
32. Finley good TFL, Carter/Hall no consequence on deeper coverage
33. Carter rolling with motion, 5 WR, Knowles deep, pass short in front of Bandy, 4th down
34. 4WR bull**** bunch, Carter holding boundary hash, no consequence
35. Hall dropping, Carter rolling and keying motion, run for no gain. This motion is a setup (look out)
36. 3rd and 5, great break on inside WR by Frierson for PBU, Safeties deep no consequence
37. 5WR, 4th and 5, good key and pattern recognition by Hall again, Gators attack Shaq who's reading QB eyes and loses WR instead of matching up, holy **** false start
38. 2 Safeties deep, unnecessary CB blitz from boundary again, no chance for Hall playing field side hash to get over on Gator TE running seam 6 yards outside of boundary Hash, where Carter had to pick up sideline route. Good call by Gator against a poorly timed or predictable CB blitz from boundary.
39. Hall assertive to hurry Franks into throwing away
40. Safeties roll with motion to boundary, no consequence, Shaq great breakdown in space against RB
41. Safeties 7 yards deep, weird QB run call or confusion, Franks tackled at line, big 3rd down stop
42. Trips left, pass to bandy's WR, safeties no consequence
43. Trips left, Knowles inside field hash slightly flat footed
44. Trips left, Safeties hugging hashes, incomplete pass, no consequence
45. Substitution some confusion, weren't set, Hall mediocre angle to sidelines on WR screen, stopped in front of marker though, 3rd down stop
46. Franks flushed on PA, incomplete, no safety consequence, Carter may have stepped forward more aggressively than he'd want
47. Safeties on hashes, Hall fills in control for about a 3 yard gain, solid enough
48. Carter at line, Pinck oversteps outside of TE, Perrine leverage, ****, TD gators
49. Carter deep on boundary, Hall medium peeking run, fills, no consequence
50. Hall deep on left boundary, trips right, Hall on field hash at 7ish, Hall gets lost on communication or exchange with LB, two gators run free down field hash, Franks throws a pure **** pass because of some pressure in face, Carter INT cleanup off tipped ball
51. Ball in middle of field, hall playing run steps up, Carter playing opposite hash, gives deep help to both vertical routes, Frierson beaten out of slot, big split between vertical routes, wtf, Carter splitting 30 yards of parallel vertical routes, waits till ball is thrown to break to Frierson's WR, too late, coverage breakdown?, good throw, ****
52. 1st down after bomb, good tackle by Blades
53. Hall field hash, protective step inside, TE motion, pass to flat/bubble, 3 on 3 on edge, Hall gets mixed up with Pinck's blocker, not good pursuit angle, TE gets upfield, ****
54. Franks run, slightly late fill by Carter, Bandy too deep in middle of field, damnit, TD Gators
55. 4WR bull**** again, decent read/cutoff by Carter, both Safeties over, holy **** what a bad throw by Franks, INT

Ups and downs. New guys out there. My expectations weren't sky high for Game 1, but still are for a guy like Hall who was tentative at times. All stuff that can and should be cleaned up.

The things that made Jaquan and Redwine so effective was that they understood the Defense, they understood their Assignments and they played without hesitation, wan in the right spot at the right time. Gurvan Hall is more talented then Both, but he is not quite comfortable yet. Safety play has to improve, Redwine and Jaquan could Tackle Their ****s off Senior year.

 

[Cuban-Cane]

Gurvan Hall is a sophomore. When Redwine was a sophomore he was a corner that barely ever played. When Jaquan was a sophomore he backed up Jamal Carter and Reyshawn Jenkings who were both seniors. This is the first time we have a safety this young starting there in a season opener and the fact that it was Florida makes it even tougher. Yes he played tentative but imo its understandable. Its a tough position to play in this defense with how aggressive we are up front. He's young and he will be fine. And how many quality safeties does Banda have to produce for yall to stop hating on him?

 

[imyrhuckleberry]

The good news is you're not going to have to calm down from many more losses this season . . .