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Saban helped make sure Jalen Hurts didn't transfer to Miami

TimeB0mb said:
5 out of 7 losses were by 7 points or less. No sane person would argue that Jalen Hurts is worth less than a TD per game over Jarren Williams. If Hurts is QB and you add his one TD per game, then Miami finishes the season 11-2. Oklahoma finished 12-2 with Hurts, pretty much what Miami would have if he'd been the QB here.

You tell me- if Jalen Hurts starts over Jarren Williams, you still think UF beats Miami?
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With the same OC and OL? Possibly.
 
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TimeB0mb said:
If it makes no difference to the score, then you are saying Jarren Williams and Jalen Hurts are equal talents. So that's the position you are taking?
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No, actually there are two positions I'm taking. The first is that last year's team was epically poorly coached, and that matters a lot more than swapping one player. His presence doesn't overwhelm the incompetence that let Zion Nelson play on an island, couldn't win a game after a bye week, blew a 4th and 17, and handed FIU their only win against a Power 5 team.

The second position is that people have died on a lot stranger hills than this one around here. So if you really believe that Saban advised a QB to go play for Lincoln Riley, and with an AA, 1st round talent at WR who embarrassed his Bama DBs a year prior because he has some hard-on for Miami, cool, man. Cool.
 
TimeB0mb said:
A big reason the offense didn't work because we had a lazy, pothead QB. You don't know the numbers the offense would have put up with Hurts, but I'd wager it would have been a lot better than it was. Basically you are justifying with circular logic- We had a bad QB, so the offense was bad, therefore it proves that Hurts shouldn't have transferred because the offense was bad with a bad QB.
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No, Enox was a shìt play caller AND we had a bad QB.

If we had Hurts, we would've had a good QB debilitated by a shìt play caller & the offense would've still been trash.

You're purposely leaving out Enox in the whole equation because you know that's the entire argument that holds it together. The issue was just as much if not more on Enox than it was whoever was the QB. Enox didn't call plays at Bama.

And I can assure you or anyone else the numbers wouldn't have been anywhere near what he did in Lincoln Riley's offense had he came here simply due to the fact Miami has never produced an offense or a QB that put up those kinds of numbers running the Pro style bro Offense we were running.

Hurts 100% wouldn't have had as good a season or been drafted in the 2nd round if he came to Miami & that's a fact.
 
Liberty City El said:
No, Enox was a shìt play caller AND we had a bad QB.

If we had Hurts, we would've had a good QB debilitated by a shìt play caller & the offense would've still been trash.

You're purposely leaving out Enox in the whole equation because you know that's the entire argument that holds it together. The issue was just as much if not more on Enox than it was whoever was the QB. Enox didn't call plays at Bama.

And I can assure you or anyone else the numbers wouldn't have been anywhere near what he did in Lincoln Riley's offense had he came here simply due to the fact Miami has never produced an offense or a QB that put up those kinds of numbers running the Pro style bro Offense we were running.

Hurts 100% wouldn't have had as good a season or been drafted in the 2nd round if he came to Miami & that's a fact.
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But, pro-style, bro?
 
TimeB0mb said:
5 out of 7 losses were by 7 points or less. No sane person would argue that Jalen Hurts is worth less than a TD per game over Jarren Williams. If Hurts is QB and you add his one TD per game, then Miami finishes the season 11-2. Oklahoma finished 12-2 with Hurts, pretty much what Miami would have if he'd been the QB here.

You tell me- if Jalen Hurts starts over Jarren Williams, you still think UF beats Miami?
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What I`m telling you is that Hurts had the choice to play for Dan Enos behind a Butch Barry coached Oline OR play for Lincoln Riley behind that OU Oline and throwing to Ceedee Lamb. That's what I'm saying..
 
Liberty City El said:
No, Enox was a shìt play caller AND we had a bad QB.

If we had Hurts, we would've had a good QB debilitated by a shìt play caller & the offense would've still been trash.

You're purposely leaving out Enox in the whole equation because you know that's the entire argument that holds it together. The issue was just as much if not more on Enox than it was whoever was the QB. Enox didn't call plays at Bama.

And I can assure you or anyone else the numbers wouldn't have been anywhere near what he did in Lincoln Riley's offense had he came here simply due to the fact Miami has never produced an offense or a QB that put up those kinds of numbers running the Pro style bro Offense we were running.

Hurts 100% wouldn't have had as good a season or been drafted in the 2nd round if he came to Miami & that's a fact.
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Not leaving play calling out. It's a simple question- how many more points do you think Hurts is worth over Jarren Williams? 6, 13, 17? If answer is zero then that must means Hurts and Williams are equal talents. Or do you think JW was the superior talent and Hurts scores fewer points?
 
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TimeB0mb said:
A big reason the offense didn't work because we had a lazy, pothead QB. You don't know the numbers the offense would have put up with Hurts, but I'd wager it would have been a lot better than it was. Basically you are justifying with circular logic- We had a bad QB, so the offense was bad, therefore it proves that Hurts shouldn't have transferred because the offense was bad with a bad QB.
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Bruh, we rolled out 3 QBs, and all 3 failed. Lol. Hurts coming here would’ve killed any NFL dreams, and he would’ve felt our hate, like all of our other QBs.
 
Rellyrell said:
Bruh, we rolled out 3 QBs, and all 3 failed. Lol. Hurts coming here would’ve killed any NFL dreams, and he would’ve felt our hate, like all of our other QBs.
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Everyone keeps avoiding the very very simple question. How many points is Hurts worth over Williams?

There is a lot of hemming and hawing (oh but Enos calls plays, bad OL, blah blah), but no one will tell me the number.
 
Cookie917 said:
ehhh read the article. Headline is clickbait. The way Saban put it, Hurts came to his office and said I cam go to UM, Maryland, or OU (listed various reasons) Saban's response was essentially go wherever has the best players to surround yourself with the best.

He never said OU over UM, or trashed UM he simply said go were you have a strong supporting cast. Not really rocket science or anything groundbreaking.
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You know they gotta get the clicks dawg, lol.
Everything he said was true anyway, like many have said already. Is what it is, and lol at us going 11-3 w Hurts. Zion still was our LT and Enos was still calling plays. Moot point, it’s all in the past. I don’t want to think about last season anymore.
 
htownkidd said:
You know they gotta get the clicks dawg, lol.
Everything he said was true anyway, like many have said already. Is what it is, and lol at us going 11-3 w Hurts. Zion still was our LT and Enos was still calling plays. Moot point, it’s all in the past. I don’t want to think about last season anymore.
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See my post above. How many points?
 
TimeB0mb said:
Not leaving play calling out. It's a simple question- how many more points do you think Hurts is worth over Jarren Williams? 6, 13, 17? If answer is zero then that must means Hurts and Williams are equal talents. Or do you think JW was the superior talent and Hurts scores fewer points?
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That's a straw man, not one single person has argued that Jarren was equal or better than Hurts & you know that.

You can't leave play calling out because it's literally the most quintessential aspect of scoring the ball, you can't act like all things being equal that Enox's offense would've been as potent as a Lincoln Riley's so how on Earth can you move that huge elephant from the discussion?

Oklahoma has better players & had a significantly better offensive system than we had last year, so, it's without question that Hurts wouldn't have been able to duplicate the same season he had at Oklahoma as if he was in Miami because he wouldn't have had the weapons or the offense to do so.

Would he have been better than Jarren, obviously, that goes without saying, but to act as if Hurts in Enox's Pro style bro Central Michigan offense would've been as good as he was with Riley in Oklahoma is ridiculous lol.

We probably wouldn't have went 6-7, but even with Hurts we're not winning more than 8 games while running Enox's offense.
 
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Liberty City El said:
That's a straw man, not one single person has argued that Jarren was equal or better than Hurts & you know that.

You can't leave play calling out because it's literally the most quintessential aspect of scoring the ball, you can't act like all things being equal that Enox's offense would've been as potent as a Lincoln Riley's so how on Earth can you move that huge elephant from the discussion?

Oklahoma has better players & had a significantly better offensive system than we had last year, so, it's without question that Hurts wouldn't have been able to duplicate the same season he had at Oklahoma as he had at Miami because he wouldn't have had the weapons or the offense to do so.

Would he have been better than Jarren, obviously, that goes without saying, but to act as if Hurts in Enox's Pro style bro Central Michigan offense would've been as good as he was with Riley in Oklahoma is ridiculous lol.

We probably wouldn't have went 6-7, but even with Hurts we're not winning more than 8 games while running Enox's offense.
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Its not a straw man. You just won't answer the question. The conventional wisdom is a good QB can elevate a team. I would like to know how many more points you think Hurts is worth over Williams in Enos's offense? Thats it. A simple question.
 
TimeB0mb said:
Everyone keeps avoiding the very very simple question. How many points is Hurts worth over Williams?

There is a lot of hemming and hawing (oh but Enos calls plays, bad OL, blah blah), but no one will tell me the number.
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Not trying to be an *******, but that's a hard question to answer. Maybe we win 10 games....maybe not. Either way, I'm glad we got King and hope we can get thing turned around.
 
TimeB0mb said:
See my post above. How many points?
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Who tf knows? Anybody that comes up with any answer is just guessing and spouting nonsense. Lol at this hypothetical bullsh!t lol. You really just think it’s that cut and dry and it’s not...not anywhere close either. Would we have been better? Sure, but to sit up and say “X” amount of points better and to say 11-3 is comical. We lost to FIU lol, we would have found a way to lose more than 3 **** games with Enos running the show, even if Justin Fields was our QB. But hey, whatever you say to make yourself feel better big dawg.
 
Lmao he was right. It’s time to get off our high horse and face the facts. Miami has been irrelevant for a decade. Stop getting mad when someone points that out.
 
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