Running back recruiting

[Coach Macho]

The RB talent is South Florida is so sick that we missed out on most of the elite guys and we still managed to have a nice backfield.

 

[fincane]

Alex Collins split carries his first two years but he doesn't have a 100-yard rushing game against an SEC defense not named Texas A&M. We know they've been horrible. Dude racks up numbers against minnows. His yards per carry against the best SEC defenses last year was awful.

Sooooo, that means he's an inferior RB?

Or could it be that those defenses are really good?

Hold him to the same standards we would hold our own guys. Not give him an added boost because he is from south Florida and Golden missed on him. Everyone gets into circle jerk formation when Collins puts up numbers against inferior competition. Alex Collins isn't a special back. At this point he's a just another back benefiting from Bielema's system.

He isn't an elite back when there is another guy in the same backfield for the last two years doing the same things he is. So much so that they split carries.

Sony isn't forcing an actual elite back like Nick Chubb to split carries. Elite backs in run heavy schemes don't split carries.

 

[Coach Macho]

Alex Collins split carries his first two years but he doesn't have a 100-yard rushing game against an SEC defense not named Texas A&M. We know they've been horrible. Dude racks up numbers against minnows. His yards per carry against the best SEC defenses last year was awful.

Sooooo, that means he's an inferior RB?

Or could it be that those defenses are really good?

Hold him to the same standards we would hold our own guys. Not give him an added boost because he is from south Florida and Golden missed on him. Everyone gets into circle jerk formation when Collins puts up numbers against inferior competition. Alex Collins isn't a special back. At this point he's a just another back benefiting from Bielema's system.

He isn't an elite back when there is another guy in the same backfield for the last two years doing the same things he is. So much so that they split carries.

Sony isn't forcing an actual elite back like Nick Chubb to split carries. Elite backs in run heavy schemes don't split carries.

I hold him to the same standards I hold every RB.

Normally RB's don't put up good numbers against great defense...THAT'S WHY THEY'RE GREAT DEFENSES. They stop the run. Even the best RB's in the world struggle against good defenses. Name a RB that ran for 120+ against EVERYBODY.

Go look at Collin's stats from the last 2 seasons and tell me exactly who he struggled against. And don't look at his total yardage, look at his YPC. Many times he averaged over 4 or 5 yards per carry, which means he could've easily gotten a hundred yards had he been given more carries. He failed to put up big yardage because of his low number of attempts, not his lack of ability.

 

[fincane]

Alex Collins split carries his first two years but he doesn't have a 100-yard rushing game against an SEC defense not named Texas A&M. We know they've been horrible. Dude racks up numbers against minnows. His yards per carry against the best SEC defenses last year was awful.

Sooooo, that means he's an inferior RB?

Or could it be that those defenses are really good?

Hold him to the same standards we would hold our own guys. Not give him an added boost because he is from south Florida and Golden missed on him. Everyone gets into circle jerk formation when Collins puts up numbers against inferior competition. Alex Collins isn't a special back. At this point he's a just another back benefiting from Bielema's system.

He isn't an elite back when there is another guy in the same backfield for the last two years doing the same things he is. So much so that they split carries.

Sony isn't forcing an actual elite back like Nick Chubb to split carries. Elite backs in run heavy schemes don't split carries.

I hold him to the same standards I hold every RB.

Normally RB's don't put up good numbers against great defense...THAT'S WHY THEY'RE GREAT DEFENSES. They stop the run. Even the best RB's in the world struggle against good defenses. Name a RB that ran for 120+ against EVERYBODY.

Go look at Collin's stats from the last 2 seasons and tell me exactly who he struggled against. And don't look at his total yardage, look at his YPC. Many times he averaged over 4 or 5 yards per carry, which means he could've easily gotten a hundred yards had he been given more carries. He failed to put up big yardage because of his low number of attempts, not his lack of ability.

Got a guy in his own backfield outperforming him

2014 Alex Collins
2.8 against UGA
2.2 against Alabama
2.9 against LSU
3.4 against Ole Miss
4.2 against Mizzou

2014 Jonathan Williams
6.0 against UGA
4.2 against Alabama
3.1 against LSU
4.1 against Ole Miss
5.5 against Mizzou

 

[sebringcanethang23]

His highlights were good but when i seen him live he didn't stand out to me as a must get prospect. Wasn't as fast or quick as people made him seem.

 

[TC7D]

Yes - This. In case you need a reminder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HXotI1O6Tk

Sony would be our starting rb right now. Powell would be nice for return purposes and slot. Williams, scarlett, and cronk obviously way too early. But like someone stated above me where i would help most is depth from any of those guys.

 

[ScubaCane]

Yes - This. In case you need a reminder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HXotI1O6Tk

Sony would be our starting rb right now. Powell would be nice for return purposes and slot. Williams, scarlett, and cronk obviously way too early. But like someone stated above me where i would help most is depth from any of those guys.

Watched a lot of the UGA game on Saturday, this kid is special

 

[Calinative]

Never get why people say we have bad RB depth. How many RB's do you think we really need?
I think we are fine. Obviously we seriously missed on Dalvin and Scarlett. I don't think Collins was too big of a miss, nor were any of the other guys.
We are fine at RB with Yearby, Walton, and Gray, just gotta hold on to Homer.

How are we fine at RB relying on a true freshman and a high school kid?

We're not. We're relying on two sophomores and a true freshman, who happen to be very talented. It's not like what year they are change their skill. I fully believe we are in a better position than when Gus was starting, because now two more talented runners get to touch the ball.

 

[Coach Macho]

Alex Collins split carries his first two years but he doesn't have a 100-yard rushing game against an SEC defense not named Texas A&M. We know they've been horrible. Dude racks up numbers against minnows. His yards per carry against the best SEC defenses last year was awful.

Sooooo, that means he's an inferior RB?

Or could it be that those defenses are really good?

Hold him to the same standards we would hold our own guys. Not give him an added boost because he is from south Florida and Golden missed on him. Everyone gets into circle jerk formation when Collins puts up numbers against inferior competition. Alex Collins isn't a special back. At this point he's a just another back benefiting from Bielema's system.

He isn't an elite back when there is another guy in the same backfield for the last two years doing the same things he is. So much so that they split carries.

Sony isn't forcing an actual elite back like Nick Chubb to split carries. Elite backs in run heavy schemes don't split carries.

I hold him to the same standards I hold every RB.

Normally RB's don't put up good numbers against great defense...THAT'S WHY THEY'RE GREAT DEFENSES. They stop the run. Even the best RB's in the world struggle against good defenses. Name a RB that ran for 120+ against EVERYBODY.

Go look at Collin's stats from the last 2 seasons and tell me exactly who he struggled against. And don't look at his total yardage, look at his YPC. Many times he averaged over 4 or 5 yards per carry, which means he could've easily gotten a hundred yards had he been given more carries. He failed to put up big yardage because of his low number of attempts, not his lack of ability.

Got a guy in his own backfield outperforming him

2014 Alex Collins
2.8 against UGA
2.2 against Alabama
2.9 against LSU
3.4 against Ole Miss
4.2 against Mizzou

2014 Jonathan Williams
6.0 against UGA
4.2 against Alabama
3.1 against LSU
4.1 against Ole Miss
5.5 against Mizzou

You conveniently listed the games where his YPC was low but didn't list the times where he faced SEC defenses and his YPC was higher. Look deeper. (Freshman season perhaps)

 

[fincane]

Sooooo, that means he's an inferior RB?

Or could it be that those defenses are really good?

Hold him to the same standards we would hold our own guys. Not give him an added boost because he is from south Florida and Golden missed on him. Everyone gets into circle jerk formation when Collins puts up numbers against inferior competition. Alex Collins isn't a special back. At this point he's a just another back benefiting from Bielema's system.

He isn't an elite back when there is another guy in the same backfield for the last two years doing the same things he is. So much so that they split carries.

Sony isn't forcing an actual elite back like Nick Chubb to split carries. Elite backs in run heavy schemes don't split carries.

I hold him to the same standards I hold every RB.

Normally RB's don't put up good numbers against great defense...THAT'S WHY THEY'RE GREAT DEFENSES. They stop the run. Even the best RB's in the world struggle against good defenses. Name a RB that ran for 120+ against EVERYBODY.

Go look at Collin's stats from the last 2 seasons and tell me exactly who he struggled against. And don't look at his total yardage, look at his YPC. Many times he averaged over 4 or 5 yards per carry, which means he could've easily gotten a hundred yards had he been given more carries. He failed to put up big yardage because of his low number of attempts, not his lack of ability.

Got a guy in his own backfield outperforming him

2014 Alex Collins
2.8 against UGA
2.2 against Alabama
2.9 against LSU
3.4 against Ole Miss
4.2 against Mizzou

2014 Jonathan Williams
6.0 against UGA
4.2 against Alabama
3.1 against LSU
4.1 against Ole Miss
5.5 against Mizzou

You conveniently listed the games where his YPC was low but didn't list the times where he faced SEC defenses and his YPC was higher. Look deeper. (Freshman season perhaps)

I didn't conveniently do anything. My whole point is he put up numbers against minnows. In his most recent outings against high profile competition his numbers are paltry. After a year of film on him the SEC's better teams figured him out while not figuring out how to clamp down on a guy in the same backfield.

He had a good game against Miss. State. 16 for 98

 

[Coach Macho]

Hold him to the same standards we would hold our own guys. Not give him an added boost because he is from south Florida and Golden missed on him. Everyone gets into circle jerk formation when Collins puts up numbers against inferior competition. Alex Collins isn't a special back. At this point he's a just another back benefiting from Bielema's system.

He isn't an elite back when there is another guy in the same backfield for the last two years doing the same things he is. So much so that they split carries.

Sony isn't forcing an actual elite back like Nick Chubb to split carries. Elite backs in run heavy schemes don't split carries.

I hold him to the same standards I hold every RB.

Normally RB's don't put up good numbers against great defense...THAT'S WHY THEY'RE GREAT DEFENSES. They stop the run. Even the best RB's in the world struggle against good defenses. Name a RB that ran for 120+ against EVERYBODY.

Go look at Collin's stats from the last 2 seasons and tell me exactly who he struggled against. And don't look at his total yardage, look at his YPC. Many times he averaged over 4 or 5 yards per carry, which means he could've easily gotten a hundred yards had he been given more carries. He failed to put up big yardage because of his low number of attempts, not his lack of ability.

Got a guy in his own backfield outperforming him

2014 Alex Collins
2.8 against UGA
2.2 against Alabama
2.9 against LSU
3.4 against Ole Miss
4.2 against Mizzou

2014 Jonathan Williams
6.0 against UGA
4.2 against Alabama
3.1 against LSU
4.1 against Ole Miss
5.5 against Mizzou

You conveniently listed the games where his YPC was low but didn't list the times where he faced SEC defenses and his YPC was higher. Look deeper. (Freshman season perhaps)

I didn't conveniently do anything. My whole point is he put up numbers against minnows. In his most recent outings against high profile competition his numbers are paltry. After a year of film on him the SEC's better teams figured him out.

How exactly do you figure a RB out?

Or perhaps they figured out the offense and how to shut down the run.

He had some nice games against SEC opponents his Freshman year. You're saying that SEC defenses figured him out thus he had poorer YPC his Sophomore year?

 

[fincane]

I hold him to the same standards I hold every RB.

Normally RB's don't put up good numbers against great defense...THAT'S WHY THEY'RE GREAT DEFENSES. They stop the run. Even the best RB's in the world struggle against good defenses. Name a RB that ran for 120+ against EVERYBODY.

Go look at Collin's stats from the last 2 seasons and tell me exactly who he struggled against. And don't look at his total yardage, look at his YPC. Many times he averaged over 4 or 5 yards per carry, which means he could've easily gotten a hundred yards had he been given more carries. He failed to put up big yardage because of his low number of attempts, not his lack of ability.

Got a guy in his own backfield outperforming him

2014 Alex Collins
2.8 against UGA
2.2 against Alabama
2.9 against LSU
3.4 against Ole Miss
4.2 against Mizzou

2014 Jonathan Williams
6.0 against UGA
4.2 against Alabama
3.1 against LSU
4.1 against Ole Miss
5.5 against Mizzou

You conveniently listed the games where his YPC was low but didn't list the times where he faced SEC defenses and his YPC was higher. Look deeper. (Freshman season perhaps)

I didn't conveniently do anything. My whole point is he put up numbers against minnows. In his most recent outings against high profile competition his numbers are paltry. After a year of film on him the SEC's better teams figured him out.

How exactly do you figure a RB out?

Or perhaps they figured out the offense and how to shut down the run.

He had some nice games against SEC opponents his Freshman year. You're saying that SEC defenses figured him out thus he had poorer YPC his Sophomore year?

Maybe he regressed? A guy in his own backfield outperformed him in those same games. Better teams shut him down and he didn't have the success that Williams did.

He certainly isn't worth the attention he gets here simply because Golden can't recruit.

 

[Coach Macho]

Got a guy in his own backfield outperforming him

2014 Alex Collins
2.8 against UGA
2.2 against Alabama
2.9 against LSU
3.4 against Ole Miss
4.2 against Mizzou

2014 Jonathan Williams
6.0 against UGA
4.2 against Alabama
3.1 against LSU
4.1 against Ole Miss
5.5 against Mizzou

You conveniently listed the games where his YPC was low but didn't list the times where he faced SEC defenses and his YPC was higher. Look deeper. (Freshman season perhaps)

I didn't conveniently do anything. My whole point is he put up numbers against minnows. In his most recent outings against high profile competition his numbers are paltry. After a year of film on him the SEC's better teams figured him out.

How exactly do you figure a RB out?

Or perhaps they figured out the offense and how to shut down the run.

He had some nice games against SEC opponents his Freshman year. You're saying that SEC defenses figured him out thus he had poorer YPC his Sophomore year?

Maybe he regressed? A guy in his own backfield outperformed him in those same games. Better teams shut him down and he didn't have the success that Williams did.

He certainly isn't worth the attention he gets here simply because Golden can't recruit.

Ok. There's no right or wrong in this debate. You have a valid point with your YPG argument for 2014 but I just don't think that's a true measure of his ability. A lot more goes into running the ball than just one man. We'll have to bring this back up in a couple years come draft time.