RPO Question

[scrantoncane]

I've asked this question before and got no replies, possibly because it was buried in other threads. I never played football at a high level, and the RPO came after my time anyways. So everything I know about it is from learning here, reading online, etc. But I need an answer, so hopefully someone with knowledge can help.

To me, it seems like the RPO forces the QB to keep his eyes on the key defender, usually the OLB or someone on the edge. He has to read that defender, then decide whether to handoff/pass/keep.

Does this not prevent the QB from keeping his eyes downfield? Even if it is only a second or two, wouldn't the QB be better off keeping his eyes up and watching the play develop? Especially a guy that already has difficulty making progressions, and a tendency to tuck and run?

This goes back to my square peg, round hole issue with Richt's offense. I also believe the inability to pick up the RPO is why the freshman aren't in yet, but that is pure speculation. What I am wondering is, is the RPO limiting with Rosier can do, and not the other way around? Obviously he would still be a below average QB, but are we not maximizing his potential?

Anyone?

 

[dookie blaylock]

I've asked this question before and got no replies, possibly because it was buried in other threads. I never played football at a high level, and the RPO came after my time anyways. So everything I know about it is from learning here, reading online, etc. But I need an answer, so hopefully someone with knowledge can help.

To me, it seems like the RPO forces the QB to keep his eyes on the key defender, usually the OLB or someone on the edge. He has to read that defender, then decide whether to handoff/pass/keep.

Does this not prevent the QB from keeping his eyes downfield? Even if it is only a second or two, wouldn't the QB be better off keeping his eyes up and watching the play develop? Especially a guy that already has difficulty making progressions, and a tendency to tuck and run?

This goes back to my square peg, round hole issue with Richt's offense. I also believe the inability to pick up the RPO is why the freshman aren't in yet, but that is pure speculation. What I am wondering is, is the RPO limiting with Rosier can do, and not the other way around? Obviously he would still be a below average QB, but are we not maximizing his potential?

Anyone?

that's read-option. rpo calls are made (or at least are supposed to be made) based on the defensive alignment pre-snap.

 

[Captain Uberpants]

I've asked this question before and got no replies, possibly because it was buried in other threads. I never played football at a high level, and the RPO came after my time anyways. So everything I know about it is from learning here, reading online, etc. But I need an answer, so hopefully someone with knowledge can help.

To me, it seems like the RPO forces the QB to keep his eyes on the key defender, usually the OLB or someone on the edge. He has to read that defender, then decide whether to handoff/pass/keep.

Does this not prevent the QB from keeping his eyes downfield? Even if it is only a second or two, wouldn't the QB be better off keeping his eyes up and watching the play develop? Especially a guy that already has difficulty making progressions, and a tendency to tuck and run?

This goes back to my square peg, round hole issue with Richt's offense. I also believe the inability to pick up the RPO is why the freshman aren't in yet, but that is pure speculation. What I am wondering is, is the RPO limiting with Rosier can do, and not the other way around? Obviously he would still be a below average QB, but are we not maximizing his potential?

Anyone?

The way I interpret it (and I’m sure there’s tons of ways to run it these days) is that it’s a quick 1 read play based off what the read defender does in relation to the handoff.

Let’s say the defense is in a 4-3 and you’re in shotgun 12 personnel. On the snap the QB goes to hand it off to the RB while watching the OLB. At the same time the WR is running a slant to where the OLB is. If the OLB goes towards the running play the QB keeps it and throws to the spot where the OLB was. If the OLB stays home, the QB gives it to the RB.

With the way the oline is blocking it’s not really a multiple read passing attack. It should be a simple, quick read for the QB.

In regard to Rosier, he’s just terrible in all facets of QB. He struggles to make the right decision and when he does, getting the ball there accurately is a problem.

 

[scrantoncane]

that's read-option. rpo calls are made (or at least are supposed to be made) based on the defensive alignment pre-snap.

To me, it looks like we blend the concepts so much that there isn't much of a difference. Am I wrong about that?

 

[Brandinho]

Everything is based on pre-snap reads.

 

[scrantoncane]

The way I interpret it (and I’m sure there’s tons of ways to run it these days) is that it’s a quick 1 read play based off what the read defender does in relation to the handoff.

Let’s say the defense is in a 4-3 and you’re in shotgun 12 personnel. On the snap the QB goes to hand it off to the RB while watching the OLB. At the same time the WR is running a slant to where the OLB is. If the OLB goes towards the running play the QB keeps it and throws to the spot where the OLB was. If the OLB stays home, the QB gives it to the RB.

With the way the oline is blocking it’s not really a multiple read passing attack. It should be a simple, quick read for the QB.

In regard to Rosier, he’s just terrible in all facets of QB. He struggles to make the right decision and when he does, getting the ball there accurately is a problem.

So in your example, Rosier is keyed on the OLB. Let's say he decides he is going to throw, but then sees the first target is covered. Is there any chance he is making a progression, or is he just taking off?

VERSUS, scrapping the read portion of it, calling a play, and audibling at the LOS if necessary. I just think that, given Malik's skillset, that would put us in a better position to succeed.

 

[apfenny3]

The way I interpret it (and I’m sure there’s tons of ways to run it these days) is that it’s a quick 1 read play based off what the read defender does in relation to the handoff.

Let’s say the defense is in a 4-3 and you’re in shotgun 12 personnel. On the snap the QB goes to hand it off to the RB while watching the OLB. At the same time the WR is running a slant to where the OLB is. If the OLB goes towards the running play the QB keeps it and throws to the spot where the OLB was. If the OLB stays home, the QB gives it to the RB.

With the way the oline is blocking it’s not really a multiple read passing attack. It should be a simple, quick read for the QB.

In regard to Rosier, he’s just terrible in all facets of QB. He struggles to make the right decision and when he does, getting the ball there accurately is a problem.

This is exactly what the RPO is

 

[apfenny3]

So in your example, Rosier is keyed on the OLB. Let's say he decides he is going to throw, but then sees the first target is covered. Is there any chance he is making a progression, or is he just taking off?

VERSUS, scrapping the read portion of it, calling a play, and audibling at the LOS if necessary. I just think that, given Malik's skillset, that would put us in a better position to succeed.

RPO is a front side run with backside pass, generally with just one option being the X receiver, so there’s no progression. If receiver becomes covered he has to take off

 

[scrantoncane]

This is exactly what the RPO is

Everything is based on pre-snap reads.

But arent we incorporating a read option into it? Malik has the ball in the RBs belly seemingly every play. Then he decides whether to handoff or keep it.

 

[fivecent]

RPO is a front side run with backside pass, generally with just one option being the X receiver, so there’s no progression. If receiver becomes covered he has to take off

Based on what you said, seems like Rosier is doing it right. And when we see other open recievers, they were simply not the X receiver so they werent getting the ball anyway. This offense doesnt seem designed to take advantage of having a lot of good receivers who can get open.

 

[fivecent]

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Am I understanding this RPO thing correctly? I yes, it would seem that Rosier is locking on to one receiver because that's what he is suppose to do. And also, it would seem this offense is a poor fit for Miami, where its expected to have multiple receivers who can get open.

 

[88]

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Am I understanding this RPO thing correctly? I yes, it would seem that Rosier is locking on to one receiver because that's what he is suppose to do. And also, it would seem this offense is a poor fit for Miami, where its expected to have multiple receivers who can get open.

Everyone was trying to get on the RPO when they found out refs were going to be cool with having linemen downfield on a pass play.

“I don’t think there’s any answer to RPOs,” Saban told reporters in 2017. “There is no solution to that, other than you can’t go downfield three and a half yards to block, which is the rule in the NFL and some other places.”

Saban has made it fairly clear that he’d prefer linemen only get one yard, as is the rule in the NFL. The college game gives offensive linemen three yards to block beyond their line of scrimmage on passing plays. That makes it easier to disguise pass plays as runs, then flip the ball out for big gainers.

Saban is never going to unilaterally disarm.
“Whatever the rule is, we’ll do it, too,” Saban said. “So, what makes a difference? We’ll run running plays that we throw passes, just like everybody else.”

 

[LuCane]

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Am I understanding this RPO thing correctly? I yes, it would seem that Rosier is locking on to one receiver because that's what he is suppose to do. And also, it would seem this offense is a poor fit for Miami, where its expected to have multiple receivers who can get open.

You can RPO for different receiver positions, but it’s done off a single option on each play. You typically have *one* hanging defender in conflict. Defenses have gotten better at identifying likely pass options and exchanging pre and post snap responsibilities, but we’re still pretty crappy at it anyway. Watch the NFL and you have RPOs being done inside, outside and really a host of variations.

 

[fivecent]

You can RPO for different receiver positions, but it’s done off a single option on each play. You typically have *one* hanging defender in conflict. Defenses have gotten better at identifying likely pass options and exchanging pre and post snap responsibilities, but we’re still pretty crappy at it anyway. Watch the NFL and you have RPOs being done inside, outside and really a host of variations.

So it seems that it would be wrong to blame Rosier for "locking" onto one receiver. it seems like that is what he is suppose to do.....right?

 

[LuCane]

So it seems that it would be wrong to blame Rosier for "locking" onto one receiver. it seems like that is what he is suppose to do.....right?

I think he typically locks on to one WR whether it’s an RPO call or not. That short roll where he launched the ball to Jeff Thomas? We’ve run that play countless times since last year. There is more than one option on that play, but if you see Malik in a half roll, he’s only thrown it to one dude.

 

[fivecent]

I think he typically locks on to one WR whether it’s an RPO call or not. That short roll where he launched the ball to Jeff Thomas? We’ve run that play countless times since last year. There is more than one option on that play, but if you see Malik in a half roll, he’s only thrown it to one dude.

Thanks

 

[Negro-Wan Kanobi]

I think we are overthinking the RPO concept a bit too much.

 

[Arehel]

RPO = run pass option
The run is for the Tail and the pass is for the QB to throw.
One RPO that CMR runs is 4 wide 1 tail. Tail swings strong, if sam backer floows its a QB Draws.
The OL blocks all those plays as if its QB draw. The most simplest RPO I've ever heard of. We also had many TDs from it. Most of Malik runs come form this.

Typically you can guess pre-snap base don alignment but you always have the QBs eye son the read player during just in case.
Also, if you know your playing CMR taught Offense you can run a defense that baits the QBs, hence the pick six.

 

[Coach Macho]

We actually ran the RPO pretty successfully against LSU. It was one of our most reliable plays.

 

[scrantoncane]

We actually ran the RPO pretty successfully against LSU. It was one of our most reliable plays.

I know you are pretty well versed in all things RPO.

Are we incorporating a read option with it? Malik always puts the ball in the RBs belly, then makes a decision to keep or hand off. I thought he also had the option to throw on those plays, but maybe that's where I am mistaken.

So, do we run both RPO (where malik can pass or run, and decides pre-snap?), and read option (where he can hand off or keep?) - do we do both on the same plays?

Sorry if this sounds dumb, I am just trying to understand it.