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Still believe our Dline gets mugged more than any team playing, blatant holding right in front of ref and no call. Richt needs to keep hammering ref with that.
 
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Not making excuses for the 2 offsides calls, which both resulted in 1st downs,.. But....
I know for a fact ont the second, because its plain as day on the replay, but I think it happened on the first as well,....
The LSU center, while his right hand was on the ball,.. During the cadence,.. On the hard count, the center twitches his fingers of his left hand, which is in the air, left elbow of his knee, hand below his chest, he twitches his fingers!! Not making excuses, just saying!
 
jw410 said:
VT did not 11 penalties excuses
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Funny you say this, FSU would've gotten a momentum starting touchdown and made it a 1 possession game if the ref's didn't **** them over. FSU got screwed by the refs yesterday too.
 
acento said:
I understand, but its not worth the risk. What did happen, is more likely to happen.
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You dont get it do you? If you're going to leave 1 guy back to fair catch, then everyone else has no true reason to block. If you preplan to "faircatch outside of a punt coverage bust" then you tell your guys to go for the ball, or scheme to defend a fake punt attempt. You don't bring everyone back to block for a fair catch
 
Astcloud11 said:
You dont get it do you? If you're going to leave 1 guy back to fair catch, then everyone else has no true reason to block. If you preplan to "faircatch outside of a punt coverage bust" then you tell your guys to go for the ball, or scheme to defend a fake punt attempt. You don't bring everyone back to block for a fair catch
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And why does the one guy back have to fair catch? Is it illegal to, you know, return the punt?
 
acento said:
And why does the one guy back have to fair catch? Is it illegal to, you know, return the punt?
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The way I see special teams..

Lets say the average team starts between the 20 and the 30 yard line. It is the special team's coach job to call a Punt or Kick return play that will make an attempt to exceed the normal starting circumstances through specialized blocking schemes. It is the RETURN MAN's job watch how the blocks set up and either take advantage of them, or yield to secure the ball to avoid a fumble from immediate contact.

So obviously, when the ball is going to fall in a spot behind the 35 yard line, you set up your best blocking scheme and attempt to make a return that will give you good field position. You don't go for the block and force yourself to accept normal or bad field position.

Vice versa, when the ball is going to fall near mid field, your job of securing good field position is already done. So you send pressure to the punter and don't care who gets by because your return man has 1 job. Secure the good field position or take advantage of poor coverage.
 
Oicu812 said:
Not making excuses for the 2 offsides calls, which both resulted in 1st downs,.. But....
I know for a fact ont the second, because its plain as day on the replay, but I think it happened on the first as well,....
The LSU center, while his right hand was on the ball,.. During the cadence,.. On the hard count, the center twitches his fingers of his left hand, which is in the air, left elbow of his knee, hand below his chest, he twitches his fingers!! Not making excuses, just saying!
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You are correct, I was sure they were going to call it on LSU, it was obvious he moved his hand, but considering they didn't call the blatant face-mask in the 4th I shouldn't be surprised.

That's a huge no-call, doesn't mean we would have won, but LSU's *** would have puckered had we scored again. Ref staring right at it too. SMDH.

4:45 in the fourth
Watch: LSU vs. Miami - Full game (condensed)
 
Cane Dynasty said:
If you jump towards the wall it's considered attempting to jump over the wall.

You have to jump straight up to not get the flag. Everyone in all of college football knows this.

Except for Miami.
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Watch the **** play again, he did not try to jump over the wall
 
Astcloud11 said:
The way I see special teams..

Lets say the average team starts between the 20 and the 30 yard line. It is the special team's coach job to call a Punt or Kick return play that will make an attempt to exceed the normal starting circumstances through specialized blocking schemes. It is the RETURN MAN's job watch how the blocks set up and either take advantage of them, or yield to secure the ball to avoid a fumble from immediate contact.

So obviously, when the ball is going to fall in a spot behind the 35 yard line, you set up your best blocking scheme and attempt to make a return that will give you good field position. You don't go for the block and force yourself to accept normal or bad field position.

Vice versa, when the ball is going to fall near mid field, your job of securing good field position is already done. So you send pressure to the punter and don't care who gets by because your return man has 1 job. Secure the good field position or take advantage of poor coverage.
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I get what you're saying now, and it makes sense.

My argument is, if you've already secured good field position - as you stated above - then why even risk a penalty by going after the punter?

It seems to me that you are more likely of roughing the punter, than you are of blocking the punt. If its the 4th quarter and you're down by 14 and need to make something happen, then I get it. But it seemed like the wrong thing to do given the time and place.
 
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QuatroCane said:
You are correct, I was sure they were going to call it on LSU, it was obvious he moved his hand, but considering they didn't call the blatant face-mask in the 4th I shouldn't be surprised.

That's a huge no-call, doesn't mean we would have won, but LSU's *** would have puckered had we scored again. Ref staring right at it too. SMDH.

4:45 in the fourth
Watch: LSU vs. Miami - Full game (condensed)
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Thiae were critical calls,.. As well as the facemask (first down) drive killing no call.

....fact is, bad calls aside, we made it easy for the refs to dictate a game. We have to find a way to beat them too!! Clean, productive football will help our cause there too
 
Mklein13 said:
Hightower got mugged in the endzone that led to the field goal and I still think D Jax wasn’t roughing the passer. I think you get 2 steps after the ball is released and he took 2 I believe. I’ve seen that not been called numerous times. That led to an almost int by Dean and woulda been 4th and long.
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True on the Hightower play. A better throw and Hightower might have been able to come back and make a play on it, though. That ball was too low from Rosier. PI should have been called there...and might have been with a better ball from Rosier. You know how it is - sometimes refs keep the flag in their pocket if they deem the ball uncatchable (whether it's too high or low).

DJack's play was iffy. I've seen less called, I've seen worse not called. I think you only get 1 step, but that's another thing like targeting that it just so inconsistently called that it's a bad rule with good intentions because there's no one standard. Also...DJack was a free rusher there...unblocked, and going full speed. I don't see how he physically could have held up on hitting Burrow...and what's he supposed to do in that situation? Burrow could have been double-clutching on the throw to reload...is DJack or any other DE just supposed to tear something going from 1000mph to a complete stop? Really tough to do.
 
BWCD said:
True on the Hightower play. A better throw and Hightower might have been able to come back and make a play on it, though. That ball was too low from Rosier. PI should have been called there...and might have been with a better ball from Rosier. You know how it is - sometimes refs keep the flag in their pocket if they deem the ball uncatchable (whether it's too high or low).

DJack's play was iffy. I've seen less called, I've seen worse not called. I think you only get 1 step, but that's another thing like targeting that it just so inconsistently called that it's a bad rule with good intentions because there's no one standard. Also...DJack was a free rusher there...unblocked, and going full speed. I don't see how he physically could have held up on hitting Burrow...and what's he supposed to do in that situation? Burrow could have been double-clutching on the throw to reload...is DJack or any other DE just supposed to tear something going from 1000mph to a complete stop? Really tough to do.
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Agreed all around. The throw was low and a higher throw is a td or definite PI call. Ball was in the endzone so would it have been ball at the 2 yard line or just a 15 yard penalty?

I would have been more ****ed about the roughing the passer if Dean picked it off. It was still a bad call in my mind and led to them scoring.
 
edge said:
Regarding the Rousseau play tho, what exactly is he trying to accomplish in that situation? He is ten yards from the kicker and somehow he is going to jump and block the punt? Come on man he is not superman. He should either be down field blocking or laying his shoulder into that blocker to attempt to take him out of the play. No matter how you shake it this is bad coaching. The player is not being put in a position to succeed and he does not know the rules.
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Exactly we had just been penalized on the play before. That screams of undisciplined play. Just get back and we get the ball in good field position.
 
Mklein13 said:
Agreed all around. The throw was low and a higher throw is a td or definite PI call. Ball was in the endzone so would it have been ball at the 2 yard line or just a 15 yard penalty?

I would have been more ****ed about the roughing the passer if Dean picked it off. It was still a bad call in my mind and led to them scoring.
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Not sure on the penalty. I think it would have been a judgement call on if PI was occurring in the endzone or just in front of it. Rule of thumb on collegiate PI is 15 yards or spot of the foul if <15 yards, automatic 1st down either way.
 
BWCD said:
Not sure on the penalty. I think it would have been a judgement call on if PI was occurring in the endzone or just in front of it. Rule of thumb on collegiate PI is 15 yards or spot of the foul if <15 yards, automatic 1st down either way.
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Got it thanks for clearing that up. Also, I see a lot of people were saying the WR that got down to the 1 and scored the next play pushed off when Dean was covering him and he didn’t even have control when he came down. Your thoughts on that? I don’t even know why it wasn’t reviewed in the first play.
 
Mklein13 said:
Got it thanks for clearing that up. Also, I see a lot of people were saying the WR that got down to the 1 and scored the next play pushed off when Dean was covering him and he didn’t even have control when he came down. Your thoughts on that? I don’t even know why it wasn’t reviewed in the first play.
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It definitely hit the ground as he went down out of bounds. He did not have control of that football. Had it been reviewed, I think it would have been incomplete. They even showed the replay 4-5 more times on the broadcast and McDonough/Blackledge were both saying it didn't look like he caught it. The WR got by with a BIG pushoff against Dean on that play too...could have easily been offensive PI.

That's one reason why the ref crew sucked all around. Sometimes they would review something after the fact (see the Bandy targeting call - didn't review immediately, waited until LSU had to call a timeout to avoid a delay penalty). Sometimes they were buzzing to review something almost immediately after a play. And in the case of the play we're discussing...they didn't bother to review it at all...and it's not like LSU came up to the line at the speed of light to hurry and get the snap off just in case of review. It was pretty normal tempo from them.
 
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txcanes said:
Watch the **** play again, he did not try to jump over the wall
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You obviously have a hard time with reading comprehension.

So does our special teams corch apparently.

I'll try and type slowly and see if that helps. Here is the full rule. I will bold the part that the idiots are having a hard time with.

No defensive player, in an attempt to gain an advantage, may step, jump or stand on an opponent.

It is a foul if a defensive player moves forward and tries to block a field goal or try by leaving his feet and leaping into the plane directly above the frame of the body of an opponent.

It is not a foul if the player was aligned in a stationary position within one yard of the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped.

It is a foul if a defensive player who is inside the tackle box tries to block a punt by leaving his feet and leaping into the plane directly above the frame of the body of an opponent.

It is not a foul if the player tries to block the punt by jumping straight up without attempting to leap over the opponent.

It is not a foul if a player leaps through or over the gap between players.

No defensive player, in an attempt to block, bat or catch a kick, may: 1. Step, jump or stand on a teammate. 2. Place a hand(s) on a teammate to get leverage for additional height. 3. Be picked up by a teammate, or be elevated, propelled or pushed.


Pay special attention to the bolded part!!!!!

Fk my life I should be getting paid to give people educations like this.
 
Was Malweak benched yet? No? I’ll see myself out then...
 
Cash said:
That’s some seriously stupid sh#t! If they’re going to enforce stupid penalties like that they should make a penalty for what the LSU player did cutting him at the knees. That’s a helluva lot more dangerous than jumping to block a punt.
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Bruh....I agree with you. The problem is the way the rule is written. You have to follow the rules.....end of.
 
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